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Re: Thoughts on Handguns?

Post by Grandpa's Spells » Fri Oct 21, 2016 3:47 am

Don't know why 1911 in 9mm isn't more popular.
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Post by Kazuya Mishima » Fri Oct 21, 2016 12:52 pm

Grandpa's Spells wrote:Don't know why 1911 in 9mm isn't more popular.
Well as an example, a Glock 17 is 17+1 and that SR1911 (beautiful gun, btw) is a 9+1. That, and the G17 is around half the price.

So, for capacity and economic reasons, most modern double stack 9mm's are going to look more favorable than their 1911 counterparts. Not saying one is better than the other, just that there's very compelling reasons to choose one over the other for the average gun buyer who is considering performance, practicality, and budget.

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Post by tonkadtx » Sat Oct 22, 2016 1:49 am

You can get what is essentially or was supposed to be the 9mm version of the 1911 and still get 13 rounds in a Hi-Power.

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Post by odin » Sat Oct 22, 2016 1:18 pm

I previously thought this thread was proof you were all mental, but having seen how fucking remote and strange some of your country is and speaking to some cops about how quick they can get to you I can see the appeal. None of this counts if you live in a big city though. In these circumstances you need to put the guns down and love thy neighbour. Or at least just be content with stabbing them with screwdrivers like the cool kids in England do. It's a more compassionate option.
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Post by Schlegel » Sat Oct 22, 2016 5:45 pm

People in NYC are basically a 4 minute jog from a police station everywhere they go. Where my parents live, the closest of the county deputies might be a 30 minute drive away. If he's not already occupied. My parents did call the fuzz once. 90 minutes later, one showed up. Also, does England have bears, wolves, coyotes, and poisonous snakes? 3 out 4 now where I live.
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Post by tough old man » Sat Oct 22, 2016 6:13 pm

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Post by odin » Sat Oct 22, 2016 6:38 pm

Schlegel wrote:People in NYC are basically a 4 minute jog from a police station everywhere they go. Where my parents live, the closest of the county deputies might be a 30 minute drive away. If he's not already occupied. My parents did call the fuzz once. 90 minutes later, one showed up. Also, does England have bears, wolves, coyotes, and poisonous snakes? 3 out 4 now where I live.

We have bears but if you're not into that scene they leave you alone.

EDIT: who the fuck shoots a snake?? You must be awesome. The armed police in our country can't even hit a human being in the torso consistently.
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Post by Herv100 » Sat Oct 22, 2016 9:31 pm

Kazuya Mishima wrote:
Grandpa's Spells wrote:Don't know why 1911 in 9mm isn't more popular.
Well as an example, a Glock 17 is 17+1 and that SR1911 (beautiful gun, btw) is a 9+1. That, and the G17 is around half the price.

So, for capacity and economic reasons, most modern double stack 9mm's are going to look more favorable than their 1911 counterparts. Not saying one is better than the other, just that there's very compelling reasons to choose one over the other for the average gun buyer who is considering performance, practicality, and budget.
The gen 4 17s are around $550, and those 9mm Ruger 1911s are around $650 now
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Post by Boris » Sun Oct 23, 2016 2:46 am

Grandpa's Spells wrote:
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Boris wrote:I've tried a few, revolver and semi-auto. I find Glocks a little bulk for my small, fat hands w. short fingers, but 1911s and Berettas generally fit better.
This was my experience as well, switching XD for Beretta. In case it's a hand size thing, I also really liked shooting 9mm Sigs, and Ruger revolvers, and any range with rentals will have both. Consider ammo cost in your decision.
Finding Glocks big was user error, at least on my part. Took a course this weekend and Gen 3 & Gen 4 Glock 17 and 19 are very easy shooting guns.
I tried a Glock again not that long ago - I think you're absolutely right. Very easy to shoot.

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Post by Schlegel » Sun Oct 23, 2016 2:10 pm

odin wrote:
EDIT: who the fuck shoots a snake?? You must be awesome. The armed police in our country can't even hit a human being in the torso consistently.
They invented this new thing called a "shotgun". It's super effective.

Also there are shotshells to go in handguns, and snakes is exactly what most people get them for. Black snakes living in your shed or barn is actually a plus. Rattlers, not so much.
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Post by Boris » Sun Oct 23, 2016 3:21 pm

Schlegel wrote:
odin wrote:
EDIT: who the fuck shoots a snake?? You must be awesome. The armed police in our country can't even hit a human being in the torso consistently.
They invented this new thing called a "shotgun". It's super effective.

Also there are shotshells to go in handguns, and snakes is exactly what most people get them for. Black snakes living in your shed or barn is actually a plus. Rattlers, not so much.
My father has a .22 for just this purpose. He would probably prefer to relocate them but he ain't exactly the crocodile hunter anymore...

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Post by odin » Sun Oct 23, 2016 4:18 pm

Schlegel wrote:
odin wrote:
EDIT: who the fuck shoots a snake?? You must be awesome. The armed police in our country can't even hit a human being in the torso consistently.
They invented this new thing called a "shotgun". It's super effective.

Also there are shotshells to go in handguns, and blacks is exactly what most people get them for. Blacks living in your shed or barn is actually a plus. Rattlers, not so much.

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Post by milosz » Sun Oct 23, 2016 7:00 pm

tonkadtx wrote:You can get what is essentially or was supposed to be the 9mm version of the 1911 and still get 13 rounds in a Hi-Power.
Yeah but HPs fucking blow courtesy of the hammer bite and shit trigger. If you don't mind the weight of a steel double-stack 9, some variation of the CZ 75B is the best choice.

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Post by milosz » Sun Oct 23, 2016 7:03 pm

Since I sold my Wilson 9mm 1911, the gun I shoot best has become a Gen 2 Glock 17. No weird finger grooves to deal with makes the grip more comfortable to me. Put a drop-in Wilson Combat barrel and black rear/fiber optic front sights and it's a joy to shoot.

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Post by tough old man » Mon Oct 24, 2016 1:53 am

Did the Wilson Barrel make a big difference?
I was looking at getting parts from Duex Ex Machina including their drop in gunfighter trigger.
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Post by tough old man » Mon Oct 24, 2016 1:56 am

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Post by milosz » Mon Oct 24, 2016 2:03 am

Seems to be noticeably more accurate than a Gen 4 17 or a VP9, but that could just be placebo, my comfort with it.

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Post by Schlegel » Mon Oct 24, 2016 3:12 am

milosz wrote:
tonkadtx wrote:You can get what is essentially or was supposed to be the 9mm version of the 1911 and still get 13 rounds in a Hi-Power.
Yeah but HPs fucking blow courtesy of the hammer bite and shit trigger. If you don't mind the weight of a steel double-stack 9, some variation of the CZ 75B is the best choice.
I don't get hammer bite from them, but it's easily fixed if you do. Fixing the trigger is done by deleting the magazine disconnect, it's a piece of cake. Buy one punch and you can do it at home. I love Hi Powers, I recently found an alloy framed model, and when I can send that out, it's going to be my dream carry gun.
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Post by tough old man » Mon Oct 24, 2016 3:44 pm

I am the biggest fan of Hi-Powers there is. For me its a perfect pistol and I own 2 HP Practical models.
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Post by tripp221 » Tue Nov 01, 2016 5:00 pm

For concealed carry?

Carried this for years.....hammerless .357.....won't snag on the draw, and plenty of punch

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Post by buckethead » Wed Nov 02, 2016 4:59 am

Shapecharge wrote:An average family of say five should be spending a minimum of 20k a year on weapons, ammo, range time, and professional instruction if you really want them to be safe. With the right modifications you can make your personal home into a kill house. Set up your portable bullet trap style walls in the living room while watching the Olympics then during commercials run a room clearing exercise with the kids. Use the family dog in a "hostage rescue" simulation. And I guaran-fuckin'-tee you after you've bought your third 65" flat screen from CostCo because little Timmy keeps putting two into the screen when working on stoppage drills he'll learn how important keeping his eye on that front sight really is. Work on retrieving weapons, and getting quickly to covered positions using silent commands every time the doorbell rings. Consider using cherry bombs you've stockpiled from July 4th as "blast simulators" to get the wife and kids used to these loud sounds so that they can learn to control flinch responses to gunfire.
Lol. I read this while stroking my 9mm and almost shot myself

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Post by milosz » Wed Nov 02, 2016 4:15 pm

Nighthawk is doing custom Hi-Powers that might make me change my mind on them, if I had an extra $3500 sitting around.

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Shapecharge wrote:An average family of say five should be spending a minimum of 20k a year on weapons, ammo, range time, and professional instruction if you really want them to be safe. With the right modifications you can make your personal home into a kill house. Set up your portable bullet trap style walls in the living room while watching the Olympics then during commercials run a room clearing exercise with the kids. Use the family dog in a "hostage rescue" simulation. And I guaran-fuckin'-tee you after you've bought your third 65" flat screen from CostCo because little Timmy keeps putting two into the screen when working on stoppage drills he'll learn how important keeping his eye on that front sight really is. Work on retrieving weapons, and getting quickly to covered positions using silent commands every time the doorbell rings. Consider using cherry bombs you've stockpiled from July 4th as "blast simulators" to get the wife and kids used to these loud sounds so that they can learn to control flinch responses to gunfire.
Lol. I read this while stroking my 9mm and almost shot myself
Shape, not everyone has the kind of money your drop on specialty barbells that don't get used!
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Post by milosz » Wed Nov 02, 2016 5:38 pm

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I'd want a front fiber optic instead of gold bead, though.

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Herv100 wrote:
buckethead wrote:
Shapecharge wrote:An average family of say five should be spending a minimum of 20k a year on weapons, ammo, range time, and professional instruction if you really want them to be safe. With the right modifications you can make your personal home into a kill house. Set up your portable bullet trap style walls in the living room while watching the Olympics then during commercials run a room clearing exercise with the kids. Use the family dog in a "hostage rescue" simulation. And I guaran-fuckin'-tee you after you've bought your third 65" flat screen from CostCo because little Timmy keeps putting two into the screen when working on stoppage drills he'll learn how important keeping his eye on that front sight really is. Work on retrieving weapons, and getting quickly to covered positions using silent commands every time the doorbell rings. Consider using cherry bombs you've stockpiled from July 4th as "blast simulators" to get the wife and kids used to these loud sounds so that they can learn to control flinch responses to gunfire.
Lol. I read this while stroking my 9mm and almost shot myself
Shape, not everyone has the kind of money your drop on specialty barbells that don't get used!
Now hold on a sec fucker! We've got guys on here talking about Wilson Combat shit and that's crazy money. You're also being micro-aggressive. Mario create a safe place on IGx please.

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