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Post by dead man walking » Sat Nov 26, 2016 5:24 pm

Turdacious wrote:
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The Ginger Beard Man wrote:http://www.timesunion.com/local/article ... 314745.php
Phony claims of racism are nothing new.
typical of chalk-colored whingers to have a thread about phony claims, when we kow racism is the problem:
Women and people of color earn a lower income for the same work. People of color pay more for homes and cars. Employers are less likely to offer job interviews to people with “black-sounding” names. Teachers are less likely to recommend black and Latino students for gifted education and more likely to recommend them for special education, than white students with identical test scores. Doctors are less likely to offer pain management and necessary testing for people of color. Environmental hazards are greater in communities of color. Poor women don’t have equal or adequate access to reproductive health care.
Not sure there's much of a difference when you factor for family income.
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http://chronicle.nytlabs.com/?keyword=racism

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Post by Turdacious » Mon Dec 05, 2016 5:18 am

"Liberalism is arbitrarily selective in its choice of whose dignity to champion." Adrian Vermeule

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Post by DrDonkeyLove » Fri Dec 09, 2016 3:07 pm

Sssshhhh, you're fucking up the approved narrative.
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Post by nafod » Fri Dec 09, 2016 4:19 pm

...racist slurs and other derogatory language leveled against white students
Asking someone to pass you the crackers is not racist.
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Post by Turdacious » Fri Dec 09, 2016 5:00 pm

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...racist slurs and other derogatory language leveled against white students
Asking someone to pass you the crackers is not racist.
=D> =D> =D> =D>
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Post by bennyonesix » Fri Dec 09, 2016 5:21 pm

Typical that you two fail to address the content of the article and how it sheds light on Hate Crimes and groups like the SPLC's role.

Instead we get facebook tier banter.

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Post by Turdacious » Fri Dec 09, 2016 8:03 pm

It's still real to Benny dammit!
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Post by bennyonesix » Fri Dec 09, 2016 8:21 pm

Exactly

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One of the downsides of the Internet is that it allows like-minded people to form communities, and sometimes those communities are stupid.

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bennyonesix wrote:Cyhl9GxW8AAK0lN.jpg

http://chronicle.nytlabs.com/?keyword=racism
Holeeeeee sheeeeeet, I guess there wasn't any racism at all until what 1950? That jump from .75 to 1.5% is CRAAAAZY!

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Post by bennyonesix » Sat Dec 10, 2016 4:23 am

That's not the takeaway Boris.

This is a thread about the alleged increased incidence of white hate crimes.

That is evidence of a manufactured outbreak.

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Post by dead man walking » Sat Dec 17, 2016 10:32 pm

even the legal system commits hate crimes, legally.
Decades of research have shown that the criminal courts sentence black defendants more harshly than whites. But a striking new investigation of sentencing disparities in Florida by The Sarasota Herald-Tribune expands our understanding of this problem in two important ways.

It exposes the fact that African-American defendants get more time behind bars — sometimes twice the prison terms of whites with identical criminal histories — when they commit the same crimes under identical circumstances. It also shows how bias on the part of individual judges and prosecutors drives sentencing inequity.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/17/opini ... egion&_r=0
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Post by bennyonesix » Sat Dec 17, 2016 11:12 pm

Holy shit that is disingenuous. The vast majority of criminal defendants (prob +95%) are sentenced via a guilty plea and plea agreement indicating sentence. Judges rarely deviate from the agreement. Moreover, many guilty pleas do not reflect the underlying facts. So, in essence, these pleas and sentences are the result of negotiations btwn prosecutors and defense attys (mostly pd's). It really is one of the most dishonest and slanted things I have ever read from the NYT.

I have no idea what they even want as a recourse? No more plea bargains?

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Post by dead man walking » Sun Dec 18, 2016 12:06 am

since you haven't read the fla paper's report or reviewed the statistics, you are simply spouting horseshit.

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Post by bennyonesix » Sun Dec 18, 2016 12:33 am

Tl:dr The statistics don't prove racism. There is no racially motivated causation shown, merely disparate impact.

No. I read the editorial and the article. That is how I knew what they were doing. Disparate Impact arguments mean one cannot show causation. Use that as your heuristic and you won't go far wrong.

If one reads the article carefully, one notices they do not lay blame anywhere specifically: not the judges, not the pds and not the DAs. They imply strongly that the judges are to blame. But if you parse the argument, they admit sentencing decisions are made before they see the case, but sort of argue that judges have the power of mercy so they are to blame because they didn't sentence the defendants to lesser sentences than their own attorney advocated for them.

The blame is on "the system" and how it is "racist". But like I said it is all disparate impact reasoning: blacks get more time therefore racism. Not necessarily so, and they can't point to any actually racist decisionmaking or even racism.

The system isn't racist in the way they imply. It isn't really racist at all. It is unfair and unjust but not in a racist way. There aren't enough PDs to go around is the main issue. And even if that got corrected, it wouldn't change the discrepancy from the racial perspective. It would just depress sentencing across the board.

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