Explosion at concert in Manchester, 19 dead

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Explosion at concert in Manchester, 19 dead

Post by baffled » Tue May 23, 2017 1:10 am

Suspected suicide attack. Word from hospitals is that victims are showing up with injuries you see from a nail bomb.
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What do you even say at this point.
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Post by DikTracy6000 » Tue May 23, 2017 1:44 am

The mayor of London did say to expect some terrorism in large cities.

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New way of life and all that.
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TerryB wrote:What do you even say at this point.
Saw a comment that noted that England joins a growing list of countries with some decisions to make, or ignore.
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Post by Herv100 » Tue May 23, 2017 2:23 am

London's Muslim mayor said terrorist attacks are just "part and parcel of living in a city"
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Re: Explosion at concert in Manchester, 19 dead

Post by baffled » Tue May 23, 2017 5:13 am

FWIW, the Mayor of London did order a review of "London's terrorist attack response" after he was elected.

NBC has a storyline on the attacks here:

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/manche ... explosion/
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Re: Explosion at concert in Manchester, 19 dead

Post by nafod » Tue May 23, 2017 12:13 pm

TerryB wrote:New way of life and all that.
As easy as it is to cause mayhem, especially if you are willing to not live through it, I am almost surprised there isn't more going on.

An Ariana Grande concert? How many teens were at that?
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Post by DrDonkeyLove » Tue May 23, 2017 2:04 pm

Next step today or tomorrow will be calls for unity and reminders for the locals to be ever more tolerant. Politicians will speak nobly of our courage and how this incident won't affect our way of life. The dead will be remembered forever and will get a memorial plaque. There will be a uniting slogan (Birmingham Strong?). Perhaps there will be a march or two for us to work out our angst publicly.

Immigration stays the same while the security state expands.

And...soon, it will happen all over again. Rinse & repeat.
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Post by nafod » Tue May 23, 2017 2:33 pm

DrDonkeyLove wrote:Immigration stays the same...
No idea yet, so I'm going on the record and betting it was a Brit citizen, born there. Parents probably immigrated. The bloke hasn't traveled to the middle east, just got radicalized locally and on the internet.

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Post by Luke » Tue May 23, 2017 2:38 pm

Outrageous. Suicide bombing at an Ariana Grande concert? The plot's been lost.

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nafod wrote:...betting it was a Brit citizen, born there. Parents probably immigrated. The bloke hasn't traveled to the middle east, just got radicalized locally and on the internet.
There seem to be quite a few children of Muslim immigrants who radicalize.
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Re: Explosion at concert in Manchester, 19 dead

Post by DrDonkeyLove » Tue May 23, 2017 4:22 pm

johno wrote:
nafod wrote:...betting it was a Brit citizen, born there. Parents probably immigrated. The bloke hasn't traveled to the middle east, just got radicalized locally and on the internet.
There seem to be quite a few children of Muslim immigrants who radicalize.
Two gold stars

The Telegraph
Born in Manchester in 1994, the second youngest of four children his parents were Libyan refugees who came to the UK to escape the Gaddafi regime.
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Re: Explosion at concert in Manchester, 19 dead

Post by nafod » Tue May 23, 2017 4:44 pm

DrDonkeyLove wrote:
johno wrote:
nafod wrote:...betting it was a Brit citizen, born there. Parents probably immigrated. The bloke hasn't traveled to the middle east, just got radicalized locally and on the internet.
There seem to be quite a few children of Muslim immigrants who radicalize.
Two gold stars

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Born in Manchester in 1994, the second youngest of four children his parents were Libyan refugees who came to the UK to escape the Gaddafi regime.
Frankly, I wish I was wrong. Then walls and stuff would work.
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Post by odin » Tue May 23, 2017 5:48 pm

DrDonkeyLove wrote:Next step today or tomorrow will be calls for unity and reminders for the locals to be ever more tolerant. Politicians will speak nobly of our courage and how this incident won't affect our way of life. The dead will be remembered forever and will get a memorial plaque. There will be a uniting slogan (Birmingham Strong?). Perhaps there will be a march or two for us to work out our angst publicly.

Immigration stays the same while the security state expands.

And...soon, it will happen all over again. Rinse & repeat.

It's fucking Manchester not Birmingham. This specific cockstain was born and bred here, so not sure how you'd sort that through immigration curbs.

and don't envisage the kind of marginalised ghetto environment that gets depicted by Fox News et al. Arrests were made in chorlton; affluent middle class bohemian suburb. You got mosques, churches, Hindu temples and about a dozen Buddhist centres round there, you couldn't have a more integrated community.

I have no solution but pretty sure it won't be as simple as moving further to the right or left
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Post by johno » Tue May 23, 2017 6:37 pm

You guys can stand around and talk all you want. But I'm going to do something.
I'm gonna put a British flag on my FB cover page.
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Are full of passionate intensity.

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Post by nafod » Tue May 23, 2017 7:17 pm

johno wrote:You guys can stand around and talk all you want. But I'm going to do something.
I'm gonna put a British flag on my FB cover page.
O:) With animated fluttering, I hope.
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Re: Explosion at concert in Manchester, 19 dead

Post by odin » Tue May 23, 2017 7:49 pm

Yeah! That's the Dunkirk spirit right there. I just wonder how quickly we'd have overcome hitler if we had Facebook back then.
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Re: Explosion at concert in Manchester, 19 dead

Post by Yes I Have Balls » Tue May 23, 2017 8:40 pm

DrDonkeyLove wrote:Immigration stays the same while the security state expands.
I'd think that the Brexit votes indicates that the UK immigration policy is gonna get much much tighter.

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ISIL's Virtual Planners
Essentially one-on-one internet training and direction for lone wolf terrorists. Faacckk.
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Re: Explosion at concert in Manchester, 19 dead

Post by baffled » Tue May 23, 2017 10:33 pm

From the Post: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/eu ... 5fb1300619

Credit for actually mentioning radical Islam in a way that's not meant to disparage conservatives along with Sam Harris and Bill Maher for pointing out the obvious.
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Re: Explosion at concert in Manchester, 19 dead

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Yes I Have Balls wrote:
DrDonkeyLove wrote:Immigration stays the same while the security state expands.
I'd think that the Brexit votes indicates that the UK immigration policy is gonna get much much tighter.
Yes. This. Furthest right we've been in my lifetime
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Re: Explosion at concert in Manchester, 19 dead

Post by baffled » Wed May 24, 2017 3:43 pm

johno wrote:You guys can stand around and talk all you want. But I'm going to do something.
I'm gonna put a British flag on my FB cover page.
Jake Tapper already beat you to it. You'll never be as woke him.
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Re: Explosion at concert in Manchester, 19 dead

Post by The Ginger Beard Man » Wed May 24, 2017 6:09 pm

baffled wrote:From the Post: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/eu ... 5fb1300619

Credit for actually mentioning radical Islam in a way that's not meant to disparage conservatives along with Sam Harris and Bill Maher for pointing out the obvious.
Speaking of Sam Harris, maybe the young lady who asked, "Why us?" Should listen to this:


https://www.samharris.org/podcast/item/ ... eally-want
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