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High Weirdness in the Himalayas

Post by Bennyonesix1 » Wed Aug 21, 2019 2:23 pm

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-019-11357-9

"Nestled deep in the Himalayan mountains at 5029 m above sea level, Roopkund Lake is a small body of water (~40 m in diameter) that is colloquially referred to as Skeleton Lake due to the remains of several hundred ancient humans scattered around its shores (Fig. 1)1. Little is known about the origin of these skeletons, as they have never been subjected to systematic anthropological or archaeological scrutiny, in part due to the disturbed nature of the site, which is frequently affected by rockslides2, and which is often visited by local pilgrims and hikers who have manipulated the skeletons and removed many of the artifacts3. There have been multiple proposals to explain the origins of these skeletons. Local folklore describes a pilgrimage to the nearby shrine of the mountain goddess, Nanda Devi, undertaken by a king and queen and their many attendants, who—due to their inappropriate, celebratory behavior—were struck down by the wrath of Nanda Devi4. It has also been suggested that these are the remains of an army or group of merchants who were caught in a storm. Finally, it has been suggested that they were the victims of an epidemic."

So, they examined and tested 38 of the skeletons and found no evidence of violence or epidemic. And the DNA showed two distinct groups: Subcon Azns and Eastern Med. The deaths of these two groups were separated by over a thousand years. The Subcons were from approx 800 AD and the Meds were from 1800 AD. Male/Female was 50/50 and within the two large groups there was no familial relation and marked geographic diversity. The Meds match closest to Crete. There was also one Andaman Islander/Chinaman mix.

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Re: High Weirdness in the Himalayas

Post by nafod » Wed Aug 21, 2019 3:59 pm

That's cool. Modern DNA technology is blowing minds.

This book is full of that sort of stuff. Mind blown repeatedly. Highly recommend it.

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Hahaha. That dude is brilliant but he's in the process of being unpersoned.

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Re: High Weirdness in the Himalayas

Post by Fat Cat » Wed Aug 21, 2019 5:40 pm

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Hahaha. That dude is brilliant but he's in the process of being unpersoned.
What have you heard? I read a very intriguing article that referenced this book repeatedly, but have not sat down and read it myself yet.
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Re: High Weirdness in the Himalayas

Post by Bennyonesix1 » Wed Aug 21, 2019 5:59 pm

The issue is that his findings contradict the "peaceful immigration" theory that holds sway today for obvious ideological reasons. Sure, he throws in criticism of bad whites especially WASPs as a kind of proof of mental hygiene. But his findings actually show that "immigration" invariably led to the slaughter of indigenous males. The question is, can his avowals of orthodoxy save him? Will the hall monitors notice what he actually found? Or will they settle for his smoke screen?

https://mobile.twitter.com/steve_sailer ... 0271762433

https://www.takimag.com/article/reichs_ ... ve_sailer/

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Re: High Weirdness in the Himalayas

Post by Fat Cat » Wed Aug 21, 2019 6:09 pm

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Wed Aug 21, 2019 5:59 pm
The issue is that his findings contradict the "peaceful immigration" theory that holds sway today for obvious ideological reasons. Sure, he throws in criticism of bad whites especially WASPs as a kind of proof of mental hygiene. But his findings actually show that "immigration" invariably led to the slaughter of indigenous males. The question is, can his avowals of orthodoxy save him? Will the hall monitors notice what he actually found? Or will they settle for his smoke screen?

https://mobile.twitter.com/steve_sailer ... 0271762433

https://www.takimag.com/article/reichs_ ... ve_sailer/
The second article is the one I mentioned, so I guess we've heard the same things.
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Re: High Weirdness in the Himalayas

Post by Bennyonesix1 » Wed Aug 21, 2019 6:18 pm

There's a lot more. You can see the effort required to believe his smokescreen.

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/arc ... sm/558818/

The real problem is that he runs a lab that does these studies. And the results keep increasing the theoretical tension of maintaining the race isn't real and population change has always been a steady peaceful process ideological frameworks.

https://www.geneticsandsociety.org/biop ... ce-science

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Re: High Weirdness in the Himalayas

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Wed Aug 21, 2019 5:59 pm
The issue is that his findings contradict the "peaceful immigration" theory that holds sway today for obvious ideological reasons. Sure, he throws in criticism of bad whites especially WASPs as a kind of proof of mental hygiene. But his findings actually show that "immigration" invariably led to the slaughter of indigenous males. The question is, can his avowals of orthodoxy save him? Will the hall monitors notice what he actually found? Or will they settle for his smoke screen?
Yeah, he covers this well in the book. Basically much of history consists of waves of dudes showing up and killing the homies and raping their women, repeatedly.

But also some friendly blending here and there.

Two interesting tidbits that stuck in my head:
1. Whoever invented stonehenge got completely replaced by later Britain occupants. No intermixing. Just gone.
2. Bigger genetic differences between different India caste members than between (for example) an Indian caste and some population the other side of the world. Pretty zero intermixing.

Super-cool book, the truth is what it is.
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Re: High Weirdness in the Himalayas

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Re: High Weirdness in the Himalayas

Post by Fat Cat » Wed Aug 21, 2019 8:27 pm

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Wed Aug 21, 2019 6:18 pm
There's a lot more. You can see the effort required to believe his smokescreen.

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/arc ... sm/558818/

The real problem is that he runs a lab that does these studies. And the results keep increasing the theoretical tension of maintaining the race isn't real and population change has always been a steady peaceful process ideological frameworks.

https://www.geneticsandsociety.org/biop ... ce-science
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Post by Grandpa's Spells » Wed Aug 21, 2019 8:47 pm

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1. Whoever invented stonehenge got completely replaced by later Britain occupants. No intermixing. Just gone.
Almost certainly plague.
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Re: High Weirdness in the Himalayas

Post by Fat Cat » Wed Aug 21, 2019 9:19 pm

Grandpa's Spells wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 8:47 pm
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Wed Aug 21, 2019 8:10 pm
1. Whoever invented stonehenge got completely replaced by later Britain occupants. No intermixing. Just gone.
Almost certainly plague.
That seemed to be true of the Neolithic people, hailing from the steppes of Central Asia north of the Black and Caspian seas, who ended up “replacing” the people in the area around Stonehenge.

In the study, the researchers at first focused on figuring out what drove the spread of so-called “Bell Beaker culture” — the creation of bell-shaped pots that probably started with early Iberians — throughout ancient Europe. In the past, they were never sure whether it was due to the actual migration of the people who made these pots, or whether they were simply exchanging ideas with the people around them.

Bell beakers eventually reached Stonehenge, and the data show they got there because the people who made them (mostly descendants of the Steppe people who lived in present-day Netherlands and Germany) migrated to the area — and then proceeded to replace about 90 percent of the population.


Nope. They were replaced. Which is shocking because population replacement, as the gayplex left constantly reminds us, is a baseless conspiracy theory which cannot happen.

https://www.inverse.com/article/41548-w ... ent-europe
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Re: High Weirdness in the Himalayas

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nafod wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 8:10 pm
Bennyonesix1 wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 5:59 pm
The issue is that his findings contradict the "peaceful immigration" theory that holds sway today for obvious ideological reasons. Sure, he throws in criticism of bad whites especially WASPs as a kind of proof of mental hygiene. But his findings actually show that "immigration" invariably led to the slaughter of indigenous males. The question is, can his avowals of orthodoxy save him? Will the hall monitors notice what he actually found? Or will they settle for his smoke screen?
Yeah, he covers this well in the book. Basically much of history consists of waves of dudes showing up and killing the homies and raping their women, repeatedly.

But also some friendly blending here and there.

Two interesting tidbits that stuck in my head:
1. Whoever invented stonehenge got completely replaced by later Britain occupants. No intermixing. Just gone.
2. Bigger genetic differences between different India caste members than between (for example) an Indian caste and some population the other side of the world. Pretty zero intermixing.

Super-cool book, the truth is what it is.
Yeah. The India versus China thing was really cool. It's a fantastic reqd.

Have you read 10,000 Year Explosion? Also great.

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Re: High Weirdness in the Himalayas

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Nope. They were replaced. Which is shocking because population replacement, as the gayplex left constantly reminds us, is a baseless conspiracy theory which cannot happen.
The book also covers the repeated injection of human and Neanderthal DNA into each other’s genetic lines, I.e., some men like them with heavy brows the size of clubbells.
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Post by Grandpa's Spells » Thu Aug 22, 2019 3:09 pm

Fat Cat wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 9:19 pm
Grandpa's Spells wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 8:47 pm
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Wed Aug 21, 2019 8:10 pm
1. Whoever invented stonehenge got completely replaced by later Britain occupants. No intermixing. Just gone.
Almost certainly plague.
Nope. They were replaced. Which is shocking because population replacement, as the gayplex left constantly reminds us, is a baseless conspiracy theory which cannot happen.

https://www.inverse.com/article/41548-w ... ent-europe
Alternative theory:
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/cult ... g-feature/
A clue comes from the teeth of 101 people living on the steppes and farther west in Europe around the time that the Yamnaya’s westward migration began. In seven of the samples, alongside the human DNA, geneticists found the DNA of an early form of Yersinia pestis—the plague microbe that killed roughly half of all Europeans in the 14th century.

Unlike that flea-borne Black Death, this early variant had to be passed from person to person. The steppe nomads apparently had lived with the disease for centuries, perhaps building up immunity or resistance—much as the Europeans who colonized the Americas carried smallpox without succumbing to it wholesale. And just as smallpox and other diseases ravaged Native American populations, the plague, once introduced by the first Yamnaya, might have spread rapidly through crowded Neolithic villages. That could explain both their surprising collapse and the rapid spread of Yamnaya DNA from Russia to Britain.
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Re: High Weirdness in the Himalayas

Post by Bennyonesix1 » Thu Aug 22, 2019 3:36 pm

Lol at that article dropping nahtzee in the first sentence.

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Re: High Weirdness in the Himalayas

Post by Fat Cat » Thu Aug 22, 2019 5:43 pm

Grandpa's Spells wrote:
Thu Aug 22, 2019 3:09 pm
Fat Cat wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 9:19 pm
Grandpa's Spells wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 8:47 pm
nafod wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 8:10 pm
1. Whoever invented stonehenge got completely replaced by later Britain occupants. No intermixing. Just gone.
Almost certainly plague.
Nope. They were replaced. Which is shocking because population replacement, as the gayplex left constantly reminds us, is a baseless conspiracy theory which cannot happen.

https://www.inverse.com/article/41548-w ... ent-europe
Alternative theory:
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/cult ... g-feature/
A clue comes from the teeth of 101 people living on the steppes and farther west in Europe around the time that the Yamnaya’s westward migration began. In seven of the samples, alongside the human DNA, geneticists found the DNA of an early form of Yersinia pestis—the plague microbe that killed roughly half of all Europeans in the 14th century.

Unlike that flea-borne Black Death, this early variant had to be passed from person to person. The steppe nomads apparently had lived with the disease for centuries, perhaps building up immunity or resistance—much as the Europeans who colonized the Americas carried smallpox without succumbing to it wholesale. And just as smallpox and other diseases ravaged Native American populations, the plague, once introduced by the first Yamnaya, might have spread rapidly through crowded Neolithic villages. That could explain both their surprising collapse and the rapid spread of Yamnaya DNA from Russia to Britain.
That is an exceptionally weird ideological hit piece that you are quoting; it's sad that NG feels like it needs to start what could be a totally intriguing line of inquiry with:

"The idea that there were once “pure” populations of ancestral Europeans, there since the days of woolly mammoths, has inspired ideologues since well before the Nazis. It has long nourished white racism, and in recent years it has stoked fears about the impact of immigrants: fears that have threatened to rip apart the European Union and roiled politics in the United States."

There's no such thing as an indigenous European? LOL really? :rolleyes: I sincerely doubt that NG also tries to make the case that there is no such thing as an indigenous Asian, Pacific Islander, Native American, or African. Anyway, to your article:

Of 101 samples, taken between the steppes or Russia and (unspecified) Western Europe, exactly 7 show evidence of plague. That's hardly enough to demonstrate that plague was the reason for the disappearance of the Stonehenge culture and the ascendancy of their replacements. Also, as the article notes, there's no evidence of widespread plague in Britain itself at that time.

Finally, imagine it were true? What does it demonstrate, really? That immigrants bring disease that threaten the INDIGENOUS population with extinction. All the more reason to keep them out.
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Re: High Weirdness in the Himalayas

Post by Bennyonesix1 » Thu Aug 22, 2019 9:10 pm

Yeah. It's clear that popular dissemination of DNA research is not permissible. If it is allowed to continue (it will because Zuck and Bezos love it) it will be made secret.

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Post by Fat Cat » Thu Aug 22, 2019 10:16 pm

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Post by nafod » Sun Sep 08, 2019 1:21 pm

Good Atlantic article

https://amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/597481/
The Indus Valley civilization, also known as the Harappan civilization, flourished 4,000 years ago in what is now India and Pakistan. It surpassed its contemporaries, Mesopotamia and ancient Egypt, in size. Its trade routes stretched thousands of miles. It had agriculture and planned cities and sewage systems. And then, it disappeared.

What’s intriguing about I6113’s DNA is what she lacks: any of the steppe ancestry that is widespread in contemporary South Asians. Instead, she appeared to have a mix of Southeast Asian hunter-gatherer and Iranian-related ancestry.

Hindu nationalists, as Joseph has written, believe that Aryans—who originated in India and spread through Europe and Asia—are the source of Indian civilization. This is contradicted by ancient DNA that finds the population history in India itself contains far more mixing and migration. (Further complicating things, Nazis co-opted the term Aryans to mean something different, a master race of European origin.)
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Post by Fat Cat » Mon Sep 09, 2019 5:41 pm

Not a good article. Aryans don't originate in India, for starters. Also, they didn't "migrate" they invaded, and when they did, they crushed the local Indus civilization population and then instituted a system of racial hierarchy. High-caste Indians in northern India frequently have blue eyes to this day, for example, because they prohibited any intermarriage with these Dravidian aborigines.

They're just trying to massage the information to suit the pro-migration narrative that you see throughout popular science and other media.

https://phys.org/news/2019-09-largest-e ... south.html
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Post by Shafpocalypse Now » Tue Sep 10, 2019 12:37 pm

It boils down to "might makes right".

Populations moved in, fucked up the local populations, and took over. This is SOP during homo sapiens history. As far as other hominids? Homo Sapiens were flat out more adaptable to more conditions and circumstances

The neanderthal were stable for 100000s of thousands of years but didn't fuck up the world like us.

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