IronGarm

Yes, Moose. And this is why we have the Achyballs Crisis Hotline. We will get them through this, I just hope not too many on either side get 'the ink'.

My only problem with any of this is the fact that people speak to something they haven't done. So, they continue to perpetuate the mis-information even though they haven't been to a AKC Cert nor done the training for any length of time. Maybe some of this will be quelled once they release a Video or book.

Michael's blog was a counter if nothing else to that mis-information. There is a good thread regarding it at FullKontact.



CI

I don't believe in evolution.

Can't be as good as the one where grown men discussed Valery's genetic heritage and its possible impact on KB lifting. I hear Eric has Valery signed-up for the cover of next month's Tiger Beat Magazine.

I wuz waiting for someone more cleverer than I to make the joke about evolution, BAD, and KBs.

LOL...Before I realized I didn't like boys I remember reading that magazine as a pre-teen pretending to drool over the likes of Rob Lowe.

CI

Who are 'they'? The only time I hear of any controversy is if it's brought up by an AKC-type these days. Michael's blog would have held some weight (measured in poods, of course) if he would have added some evidence to his history of kettleballs, but I get the vibe it's just what VF or someone told him and he took it as gospel. The fact that he seems to think that what was first introduced to America as kettleball lifting is "bastardized" makes zero sense as there is so much evdience that handleballs are used all sorts of ways, even in the Holy Motherland of Russia. It's just silly.

They can be anyone.

Take Dylan for example (and I do like Dylan), and his comment about efficiency. He's never attended a cert. There are technical details covered there that aren't covered elsewhere that simply make the moves safer in terms of doing them for high reps and being able to do them for the sake of longevity. You can do them for sets of 10 or sets of a 1000, fast or slow but the techniques are still the same....and they aren't Rocket Science or something only reserved for the highly skilled.

I had a conversation with a RKC this weekend who is adopting this stuff. He says he feels much better in terms of his joint health.

Maxwell, Martone ect have attended the cert. I'm sure that when Mahler can attend one in a place besides Cincy (west coast or something), he will.

I understand why people are taken aback by Michaels blog, and I won't speak to anything else regarding it becaue he doesn't need me to defend him.

I set the record straight where I can regarding the perception of what we do.....Notice, I don't do it in a way to put down the other camp, nor do I espouse a single usage for the tool..period.

CI

If he had called the blog "The Intelligent Design of Kettlebell Lifting in America" it would have been better received.

I'm sure the opportunity to get training with VF would be all that with a scoop of ice cream on top. The whole thing about the 'one true way' mentality is the ongoing madness I see and where I continue to heartily agree with Dylan. If, for just an iota, someone like Mike can forget that Pavel and DD exist and go to You Tube, they can find examples of Russians training with handleballs in a non-sporting fashion. Shit, look at the Sambo MS clip on this training forum for starters. One can also easily find old photographs of handleballs in American gyms, long before 'GS' became so in the motherland. Swing handles used to be sold with weight sets back in the day as a stand alone exercise, NOT as an assistance drill to the snatch. But I sense it's more of a holy war against the evil marketing power of DD in an effort to gain market share at some point, since no one else seems to be called out except for them.

JMObservation.

DD will be eclipsed in the end.

Which if G$ is right, some there should enjoy immensely.

Agreeed. X@ or T-Nation will be calling the kettleball shots at some point; with a heavy favorite on the former. Kettleball guru's who wish to live comfortably will align themselves with one of these camps. Yes, I obviously thing T-Nation will jump on the Achyball bandwagon at some point--they have enough pimple face minions spending Dad's money to sell them balls, supplements and a big black book of achyball secrets for mucho studness.

Kooky talk. The influence with disperse among a large number of experts with varying credentials, with nobody actually "calling the shots." Nobody is calling the shots with barbells.

I'm installing the Concept of Rattan Stick Training(tm). Only I know the history and usage. I will be holding RST Certifications shortly. I think the uniforms will be khaki dockers and red t shirts ( custom tailored by the Foxy Ab God).
Stay tuned.

I meant in terms of buckets of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$--one of these companies will assume market dominance for all things kettleball, over DD.

Nope. Training the way the AKC puts forth makes even using the kettlebell sensible. That mode of training in some form or another will be come ascendant. I am not talking about GS. So don't even go there, please.

The RKC is always evolving. Watch it evolve to training sets for time. Even Rif is training jerks for time now. Don't believe it? Crawl DD and see.

Louie?

LOL!

http://saracheathamsblog.blogspot.com/2 ... -yeah.html

This blog entry is pretty close to what the AKC is teaching.

I am sure that DD is discovering these things via Z health or something...

In the latest Best Life magazine, there's an article about F-22 (new super fighter) pilots and various aspects of training. Has a photo of one doing HSPU (favors a CF workout occasionally), on the wall next to his feet is a picture of KB's. Hell, wondered into a local sporting goods store Sunday and saw Lurie's DVD, almost tripped over the 25 pound KB to get a look at the DVD. Cotter trained SEALs and was well received.

So the equipment is spreading, whichever training methodolgy is used will depend on the end users' exposure and inclination. The point is merely the AKC is the most efficient use of time that I've seen to date. If something better comes along, I'll switch.

Agree w/ Troy and would point out to HVLN that if @X wins in your scenario, Cotter does a lot of work w/ CF affiliates and Martone is, as I understand it, their official KB dude. If Martone's reaction was half of what I saw in March w/ Maxwell's, @X will do AKCish stuff.

And swing is a fine exercise in and of itself, regardless of whether it's done to supplement competitive lifting, general fitness or to address conditioning for another sport. As Ab God hath written, it's first for a reason.

I tend to agree, though there are of quorse distinct camps claiming some form of superiority in the land of barbells (PL vs Oly, Westside vs Russkie, etc.).

B.A.D: That Rif and the RKC is evolving ain't surprising; even Westside has done so. Only with DD, their changes are more obviously based on marketing.

Achyballs are everywhere.

I'm aware of that, hence my comment about where gurus end-up aligning themselves. Remember, I'm not anti-AKC at all, and in this thread, I was just pointing out some glaring weirdness from Mike's blog post.

I know, I haven't commented on it b/c I haven't read it, just skimmed this thread and the one on Steve's site when I posted my training logs.