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 Post subject: Re: Convict conditioning
PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 1:58 am 
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When weights were still part and parcel of most prisons, were there every any bodybuilding/powerlifting training manuals?


Weights still are part and parcel of most prisons. Also, interesting choice of anglicisms, are you a fan of Abhay Charan De?

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 Post subject: Re: Convict conditioning
PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 2:58 am 
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So, what we're looking at is some a new guru being born.

Paul "Coach" Wade - ex-convict, bodyweight conditioning specialist, learned "old school" calisthenic in prison.

The books been out a bit, but the author couldn't get pictures of himself doing the strength work, and contracted that the Jim Bathhurst, of Beastskills.com, which is a nice website. Jim seems like a very quality dude, himself.

We see a sequel's already planned.
We see that a consultation service is in the works.
We see a shitload of RKCs and those associated with Dragon Door endorsing it.
Paul Wade isn't the guys name (as per Ducane on the DD forum)
We see fake endorsements up already. How the fuck can some bitch in

Is is that Allstadt dude attempting to "DB Hammer" it?

Kelly Ward of New Rochelle, NY, apparently has already plopped down his money for consultations, though the business isn't up and running yet.

Has it insulted your intelligence?

I'm kind of miffed that DD customer service can't be bothered to fucking answer a simple email.

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 Post subject: Re: Convict conditioning
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Has it insulted your intelligence?

I'm kind of miffed that DD customer service can't be bothered to fucking answer a simple email.


LOL at you expecting anything from these faggots.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 3:08 am 
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Has it insulted your intelligence?

I'm kind of miffed that DD customer service can't be bothered to fucking answer a simple email.


LOL at you expecting anything from these faggots.

I still cant' believe I fucking bought Naked Warrior. I'm such a fucking moron.

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Dan Martin wrote:
When weights were still part and parcel of most prisons, were there every any bodybuilding/powerlifting training manuals?


Weights still are part and parcel of most prisons. Also, interesting choice of anglicisms, are you a fan of Abhay Charan De?


No, I'm not. But I am a fan of Keith Moon.

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 Post subject: Re: Convict conditioning
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The workouts in this book are really no very good.

For example, one's called "New Blood" (more gimmicky prison chic here)

On Monday you do push up and leg raise variations, for 2-3 work sets
One Friday you do pull up and squat variations, for 2-3 work sets.

-Wow. 2x weekly program with bodyweight exercises. Unless are are very advanced, this is going to be pretty ineffectual except as some sort of break-in period for someone so deconditioned that walking is a chore.

The pinnacle is called "Supermax".

Mon: Pullups/Squats: 10-50 work sets each.
Tue: Pushups/Leg Raises: 10-50 work sets each
Wed: Handstand pushups/Bridges: 10-50 work sets each
repeat for Thu-Sat.
Sun: Off

I really have to question whether or not the author ever did anything like this.

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 Post subject: Re: Convict conditioning
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The "need" to buy a book about bodyweight exercises fascinates me.

I mean for goodness sake, do Burpee's and pull-ups until you can't. Rest, repeat.

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 Post subject: Re: Convict conditioning
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Yeah, I'm probably going to return this for a refund now just on principle.

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 Post subject: Re: Convict conditioning
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The "need" to buy a book about bodyweight exercises fascinates me.

I mean for goodness sake, do Burpee's and pull-ups until you can't. Rest, repeat.


This.

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 Post subject: Re: Convict conditioning
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Yeah, I'm probably going to return this for a refund now just on principle.


Do it Shaf, it'll be interesting to see if they honor the money back guarantee, or will they try to stiff you?

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 Post subject: Re: Convict conditioning
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Scan a copy and throw it up on the torrents first

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Scan a copy and throw it up on the torrents first


This.

I will send you some pirated DVDs ASAP if I see a scan of this.

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Shafpocalypse Now wrote:
Yeah, I'm probably going to return this for a refund now just on principle.


Do it Shaf, it'll be interesting to see if they honor the money back guarantee, or will they try to stiff you?


Absolutely let us know how that goes.

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 Post subject: Re: Convict conditioning
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Jag Panzer wrote:
Scan a copy and throw it up on the torrents first


This.

I will send you some pirated DVDs ASAP if I see a scan of this.



Please someone scan and torrent............

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 Post subject: Re: Convict conditioning
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1 - is Naked Warrior no good anymore since this book came out?
The exercises in NW were ghey as anything, but there was some good physio/isometric stuff in there for a noob to learn.
Would have been better if that part of it was just in Beyond Bodybuilding.

2 - Even if the guy who wrote it is out of shape, there would still be a little pic of his face and a bio somewhere on the damned book. That is bull if there isn't at least a glimpse of him somewhere in it.


does pavlov have anything to say about what a stand up gent this wade fellow is?

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does pavlov have anything to say about what a stand up gent this wade fellow is?


If he's BAC then he's okay.

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 Post subject: Re: Convict conditioning
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The whole "no pictures" (not even a bio pic?) thing has me skeptical...

The email consults...

The pictures with Bathurst instead of the author (so what if he's 50-something, I heard that BW exercises are super joint-friendly and can be done nearly for-ev-er!), and even then, Bathurst unable to do the skills--shouldn't he have been the FIRST to get some magical email consulting???

I have a sneaking suspicion that Shaf is right...there is no Paul Wade. I am open to being proven wrong.

All that being said, I know a gymnastics instructor at my local place who trains people at Sommer's gym (goes up there a couple weekends a month to help Sommer out), and Sommer is still doing some pretty wicked gymnastics strength training...so age is not really an excuse, particularly with what this book is pushing as being good for longevity in training.

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No bio pic at all.

Jim Bathhurst, old timey strongman gay erotica, and some weak lookin' dude with tattoos and a backwards bandana. Oh yeah, and Roger Harrell of the XF gymnastics doing a freestanding handstand push up.

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Is there penetration in this Bible of Le Gymnastique Fagge?

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No, but there's the obligatory shot of greek statuary with small penises, and everyone knows the Spartans loved to buttfuck each other and frott like crazy.

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 Post subject: Re: Convict conditioning
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I just got a very good review of this book from someone who is in very good shape, so I'm going to read it. Some of that is just becuase I collect this stuff, and some is becuase since I only do BW stuff I'm interested in any little tweak. I'm not on the advance copy list at DD anymore it would appear.

As someone about to turn 50, I will say it strikes me as odd that if you're in any kind of shape, you don't have a pic of yourself in there - certainly many legit, non-bodybuilder types - Pavel, Maxwell, Ross and even myself have all used that as "proof of concept". Cotter did that whole getting ripped thing on the IKFF youtube page before Vegas. Works particularly well as you get older since looking like Maxwell at 54 is no easy task. We all know you can know a lot without looking like it, but looking like it certianly helps eliminate doubt if you're selling a program. Seems a little Couchesque.

The only person I can think of who could even approach the elite workouts is Cotter, and I'm not even sure about that. I respect the Beastskills guy for saying he can't do a one arm hand stand pushup. I know I never could. I've seen Pavel hold a one arm handstand with feet on the wall, that was hard enough. If the Beastskills guy can't do one.....

As some one who's done 27 strict pullups, one arms and blah, blah, blah it seems like the goals are aspirational, not real. The fact that maybe a world class 5'4" gymnast that trains non- stop and is gifted can maybe do some of this stuff doesn't mean it's attainible by all or even many.

I'm not a fan of low volume BW partiularly for beginners. BW's real strength is building a combo of strength and conditioning. Like Shaf said, no one not in jail is using BW only to build maximum strength or physique.

I was doing alot of hindu pushups and sqauts for a while but I actually find I get more out of conventional BW training - like doing "Cindy" rounds in a kind of grease the groove pattern, waving volume and rest periods randomly throughout the week. Feel free to send me $39.95 for that.

If someone wants to shoot me the book I'm happy to reimburse the Fedex.

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I'd loan it to you, Bill, but the book came damaged and I want, at the very least, an undamaged copy of it for my library. The customer service at Dragon Door hasn't bothered to get back to me in about 4 days now. I'll give them one more email and one more day before I start emailing JD about it.

At worst, I'll just return it for a refund. I do like collecting training materials, though, for my library.

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Dan Martin wrote:
The "need" to buy a book about bodyweight exercises fascinates me.

I mean for goodness sake, do Burpee's and pull-ups until you can't. Rest, repeat.


Exactly. Has everyone already exhausted the ideas in Enamait's Forever Gymless book?

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Dan Martin wrote:
The "need" to buy a book about bodyweight exercises fascinates me.

I mean for goodness sake, do Burpee's and pull-ups until you can't. Rest, repeat.


Exactly. Has everyone already exhausted the ideas in Enamait's Forever Gymless book?


If I had it, I might've.

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