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Post by Sangoma » Tue Nov 24, 2015 11:00 pm

Now, a question for a friend... :yawinkle:

There are obviously different gear cycles and various stacks. On the other hand, apparently Louie Simmons is continuously on some low dose drug. Out of interest, what are the options for a 50-odd year old male who wants to build some muscle without killing himself in the process? I was looking into Anavar, the drug with least amount of side effects, but opinions are divided. Some say it does nothing.

Experiences? Opinions? Short intensive cycle? Mild cycle? Constant low dose test?
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Post by Beer Jew » Tue Nov 24, 2015 11:27 pm

If you want to know about constant low test, TerryB is your (wo)man!

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Post by TerryB » Wed Nov 25, 2015 1:37 am

Drug advice? Really?

Didn't you just start "training"?

You could start with the cycle BJ used when transitioning to male.
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Post by Sangoma » Wed Nov 25, 2015 1:48 am

No, I am truly elite who reached his genetic potential. It's for a friend, remember?
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Post by Bobby » Wed Nov 25, 2015 2:42 am

TerryB wrote:Drug advice? Really?

Didn't you just start "training"?

You could start with the cycle BJ used when transitioning to male.
Didn`t that cycle force BJ into wearing glasses and speak in a strange accent?
You`ll toughen up.Unless you have a serious medical condition commonly refered to as
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Post by Testiclaw » Wed Nov 25, 2015 5:16 am

Anavar alone wouldn't be worth it, really.

At 50, TRT would be your best bet. It should be easy to get at your age.

Now, if you get on TRT and want to add some extras for fun, more power to you.
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Post by SubClaw » Wed Nov 25, 2015 5:47 am

An actual doctor of medicine (or so he says) comes to this forum looking for drug related advice. Seriously?

And I'm not even touching the "according to your current lifts, you are not even an intermediate lifter. What the fuck does a beginner lifter need performance drugs for?" subject.

You are all over the fucking place, Smet.
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Post by KingSchmaltzBagelHour » Wed Nov 25, 2015 3:20 pm

I got on TRT about 8 months ago. I get the pellet implants, take an estrogen blocker tablet once a week, and daily 2.5 mg cialis (supposedly helps with benign prostate hypertrophy). All legit and legal through a physician.

I leaned out some, have a lot more energy, don't seem as moody coming home from the firehouse with no sleep, and have pretty sweet boners.

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Post by Beer Jew » Wed Nov 25, 2015 6:18 pm

TerryB wrote:Drug advice? Really?

Didn't you just start "training"?

You could start with the cycle BJ used when transitioning to male.
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Post by TomFurman » Wed Nov 25, 2015 8:42 pm

Get your blood test through insurance or DiscountedLabs.com

Then and only then you know.

The usually do 100mg per week broken into two shots.. Some HcG for back up and ball size.
2.5 to 5mg daily of Cialis.
Of course adding other stuff like Arimidex is up to the good doc.

It's all about the blood. They'll recheck in 6 weeks.

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I took my own bloodwork to a local Doc with an open mind. He listens and respects knowledge and especially when you come with peer reviewed studies in hand.
My Test was 750 which is like a 20 year old, but my Estradiol and SHBG was high. So free Test sucked.
I take .5 Arimidex and 10 mg Cialis every other day. Pretty simple.
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Post by powerlifter54 » Wed Nov 25, 2015 9:57 pm

KingSchmaltzBagelHour wrote:I got on TRT about 8 months ago. I get the pellet implants, take an estrogen blocker tablet once a week, and daily 2.5 mg cialis (supposedly helps with benign prostate hypertrophy). All legit and legal through a physician.

I leaned out some, have a lot more energy, don't seem as moody coming home from the firehouse with no sleep, and have pretty sweet boners.
Pretty good advice. At least according to a friend.
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Post by Grandpa's Spells » Wed Nov 25, 2015 10:08 pm

KingSchmaltzBagelHour wrote:I got on TRT about 8 months ago. I get the pellet implants, take an estrogen blocker tablet once a week, and daily 2.5 mg cialis (supposedly helps with benign prostate hypertrophy). All legit and legal through a physician.

I leaned out some, have a lot more energy, don't seem as moody coming home from the firehouse with no sleep, and have pretty sweet boners.
How old are you?
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Post by KingSchmaltzBagelHour » Thu Nov 26, 2015 1:17 am

38. I was on the low end of normal T levels, the particular doc I see does quite a bit of business providing TRT to first responders. His philosophy is that cops, FFs, etc should be on the higher end of normal, but not "anabolic" or some such shit, but I've also seen quite a few "civilians" in the waiting room too.
He also does quarterly reassessments and does a full sex hormone panel (meaning they test Sex Hormone Binding Globulin and all the other shit that can effect "usable" Test that might not be looked at on a normal check of T-levels).

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Post by Sangoma » Fri Nov 27, 2015 1:29 am

I was thinking more along the lines of SARMS, Masteron, Winstrol or Trenbolone. Something that allows you to eat crap, gain muscle and get leaner at the same time. If there is justice in the world such drug simply must exist.
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Post by TomFurman » Fri Nov 27, 2015 2:35 am

SARMS are fascinating.
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Post by Sangoma » Fri Nov 27, 2015 7:55 am

I wonder if anyone has had personal experience with SARMs. Peptides in Australia are very easy to get legally, and one place stocks SARMS s22. I can't find much about it.
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Post by OCG » Fri Nov 27, 2015 11:38 am

Sangoma wrote:I was thinking more along the lines of SARMS, Masteron, Winstrol or Trenbolone. Something that allows you to eat crap, gain muscle and get leaner at the same time. If there is justice in the world such drug simply must exist.
All have significant side effects. Tren in particular is renowned for fucking with people's heads. You're old, you don't compete and you're already pretty lean. Don't worry about going on recreational doses, stick to TRT. Your heart and liver will thank you.

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Post by Dunn » Fri Nov 27, 2015 3:03 pm

OCG wrote:
Sangoma wrote:I was thinking more along the lines of SARMS, Masteron, Winstrol or Trenbolone. Something that allows you to eat crap, gain muscle and get leaner at the same time. If there is justice in the world such drug simply must exist.
All have significant side effects. Tren in particular is renowned for fucking with people's heads. You're old, you don't compete and you're already pretty lean. Don't worry about going on recreational doses, stick to TRT. Your heart and liver will thank you.
Solid advice. If you take enough to put you in the upper levels of normal, it's like magic. Little to no sides and you feel great, all off simple testosterone enth or prop. It is something that I will definitely revisit as I age.

On the topic of SARMs, there are hits and misses depending on the person. Some get great results and some don't. They take time to see results and it's always more subtle. I like them but I can get test cheaper for the doses I would run. Do your homework. If you find the right SARM it can be good stuff in terms of recovery.

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Post by Kazuya Mishima » Fri Nov 27, 2015 6:39 pm

TomFurman wrote:Get your blood test through insurance or DiscountedLabs.com

Then and only then you know.

The usually do 100mg per week broken into two shots.. Some HcG for back up and ball size.
2.5 to 5mg daily of Cialis.
Of course adding other stuff like Arimidex is up to the good doc.

It's all about the blood. They'll recheck in 6 weeks.

Lots and lots of FREE data on excelmale.com
The owner is Nelson Vergal who has helped for free my friend that is with HIV for 30+ years.
Gene Devine promotes the website and lives down the street from me. Very helpful and knowledgable.
Jasen Bruce of Defy Medical is on there as is my friend Dr. John Crisler who always has an open mind and ear.
I took my own bloodwork to a local Doc with an open mind. He listens and respects knowledge and especially when you come with peer reviewed studies in hand.
My Test was 750 which is like a 20 year old, but my Estradiol and SHBG was high. So free Test sucked.
I take .5 Arimidex and 10 mg Cialis every other day. Pretty simple.
It's different for everyone.
Why Cialis if your test is that high?

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Post by KingSchmaltzBagelHour » Fri Nov 27, 2015 7:16 pm

low dose cialis isn't for ED, it's a preventative measure against BPH

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Post by TomFurman » Fri Nov 27, 2015 8:09 pm

It's good for the prostate. It also enhance nitric oxide, which dilates blood vessels.. .blood flow, pump, injuries, etc.
Past 50 I'd say 2.5 mg or 5 mg per day. I get the 20 mg from India [my physician is very cool with this] and use a pill splitter.
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Post by powerlifter54 » Fri Nov 27, 2015 9:17 pm

It also lowers estrogen.
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Post by Really Big Strong Guy » Mon Nov 30, 2015 3:42 pm

Sangoma wrote:Now, a question for a friend... :yawinkle:

There are obviously different gear cycles and various stacks. On the other hand, apparently Louie Simmons is continuously on some low dose drug. Out of interest, what are the options for a 50-odd year old male who wants to build some muscle without killing himself in the process? I was looking into Anavar, the drug with least amount of side effects, but opinions are divided. Some say it does nothing.

Experiences? Opinions? Short intensive cycle? Mild cycle? Constant low dose test?
I dabbled for two years over 15 years ago. Did about six "cycles" during that time frame all with PCT, etc. Ended up tearing a tricep tendon, so Karma sorted me out. During that time frame my bodyweight went from 265 to 235 and my bodyfat went from 25% to under 6%. When I was "on" I got thin/lean and horny. Strength did not go up in hindsight. Confidence levels and general overall feelings of well being did. I could not grow facial hair until I started this foray. Had blood work done every six months during this time frame. I have always had high liver values and have had multiple scans done on it, but nothing has changed at any point during my life.

Five years after this time frame, I qualified for HRT. I've been on it for 9 years. I got as heavy as 290 with a bodyfat around 25% again before I started the HRT. I started with androgel but eventually switched to shots once a week. Over the past nine years, my dosages have gone from .5 ccc to .8 cc per week to keep me in the "normal" range. Upsides are my bodyweight have gone down and have fluctuated between 255 and 275 the past 7 or so years. Strength levels have continually gone up. Athletic performance is still pretty damn good all things considered. Confidence levels good. I have blood work done every three months. Health indicators are all in good ranges - cholesterol ranges between 135 and 165. The only issue I have is my blood pressure gets high because I want to kill people given my work - but otherwise, I keep it down with training, mediation, yoga and tai chi. My current bodyfat is in the mid to high teens. Libido is good; I get morning wood still.

Downsides to HRT that I've noticed - weekly pinning does gets old; I've found that my libido is not comparable with my wife's and we are the same age; insurance is a hassle with the blood work, but not the drug itself; I really have to watch my salt intake and eat clean in order to avoid bloat and water weight gain.

Advice to someone who's considering a cycle at an age similar to my own (45) - moderation is the key. Anything to an excess is just that. Use of anavar alone is a waste of time for males because the effects will be minimal at best. It would need combined with other substances to have any noticeable effects. Tren is the most anabolic substance you can likely find; combine it will anavar and you will gain a moderate amount of lean mass. New studies have indicated that Tren is actually cardiac healthy and improves cardiac function (I want to see a follow up study). Combine those two with some GH, or the right peptides, over 12 to 16 weeks and you'll likely keep about 75% of the muscle weight gain, and lose a good deal of fat, assuming you follow the proper Post Cycle Therapy.

In reality, I think that HRT is the best option with the occasional "ramp up" to lean out if that is your eventual goal. Get regular blood work and pay attention to your Liver levels, your cholesterol, and your blood pressure.

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Post by Bobby » Mon Nov 30, 2015 4:05 pm

Is this hormone therapy common in the states? I am 46,never used any drugs and still get morning wood,fairly strong considering that I don`t focus on that and still lean.
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Post by Beer Jew » Mon Nov 30, 2015 6:09 pm

Bobby wrote: I am 46,never used any drugs and still get morning wood.
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