Denisov, Vasiliev and Morozov...

Stick to training related posts.

Moderators: Dux, seeahill

User avatar
SubClaw
Top
Posts: 1744
Joined: Sun Dec 25, 2011 5:01 pm

Denisov, Vasiliev and Morozov...

Post by SubClaw » Sat Jan 16, 2016 9:26 pm

How the fuck are they so jacked? Most 'gireviks' are rather thin but these three are something else. Are they genetic freaks or they do anything else besides GS, running and a hundred squats with a light load?

I remember Shaf saying something about Cotter putting some serious barbell work besides kettlebells. Maybe this is the same.

Blaidd Drwg
Lifetime IGer
Posts: 19089
Joined: Wed Nov 01, 2006 5:39 pm

Re: Denisov, Vasiliev and Morozov...

Post by Blaidd Drwg » Sat Jan 16, 2016 10:35 pm

steroids
"He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that." JS Mill

User avatar
Shafpocalypse Now
Lifetime IGer
Posts: 21108
Joined: Fri Feb 04, 2005 11:26 pm

Re: Denisov, Vasiliev and Morozov...

Post by Shafpocalypse Now » Sat Jan 16, 2016 10:50 pm

Yeah. Those dudes take the usual Russian sports vitamins

User avatar
Holland Oates
Lifetime IGer
Posts: 14137
Joined: Thu Feb 07, 2008 8:32 am
Location: GAWD'S Country
Contact:

Re: Denisov, Vasiliev and Morozov...

Post by Holland Oates » Sun Jan 17, 2016 2:20 am

Vasiliev is a gawddamn freak. His gpp workouts are ridiculous. I did a seminar with him last year. He's built like a greyhound.
Southern Hospitality Is Aggressive Hospitality

User avatar
SubClaw
Top
Posts: 1744
Joined: Sun Dec 25, 2011 5:01 pm

Re: Denisov, Vasiliev and Morozov...

Post by SubClaw » Sun Jan 17, 2016 8:42 am

Holland Oates wrote:Vasiliev is a gawddamn freak. His gpp workouts are ridiculous. I did a seminar with him last year. He's built like a greyhound.
This is not what I expect when I think about a girevik's frame:

Image

User avatar
Dunn
Sergeant Commanding
Posts: 6664
Joined: Mon Jan 05, 2009 4:06 pm
Location: Columbus, GA

Re: Denisov, Vasiliev and Morozov...

Post by Dunn » Sun Jan 17, 2016 11:39 am

I think it's a mix of genetics and good cocktails, that much is obviously. Some test and cardiac drugs, beta blockers and/or anti-ischemia drugs go a long way when mixed with the right genetics and all that training volume.

I will say that you will not see most GS guys with much muscle until they start to put in some serious time with the 28s and heavier. Once I began using the heavier bells for most of my training, and the overall volume began to climb, I found that I started packing on muscle in the legs, arms, and shoulders...albeit to nowhere near the degree that they have.

aussie luke
Staff Sergeant
Posts: 381
Joined: Fri Dec 27, 2013 12:56 pm

Re: Denisov, Vasiliev and Morozov...

Post by aussie luke » Sun Jan 17, 2016 1:12 pm

Not the same thing I know, but Pavel had said before and I think he's pretty right - once a guy starts to own a 32kg kettlebell, good things start to happen. I've noticed it before once I started pressing a 32 for reps and even just lots of one arm swings, body comp started to improve.

TomFurman
Sergeant Commanding
Posts: 9806
Joined: Fri Dec 09, 2005 3:46 am
Location: Ft. Lauderdale

Re: Denisov, Vasiliev and Morozov...

Post by TomFurman » Sun Jan 17, 2016 6:19 pm

Vasiliev, Rachinskiy started off in bodybuilding. They actually took vacations to CA to train at Gold's. Denisov powerlifted and Sergei Merkulin was in Olympic lifting. Add in restoratives and volume with 32k...
"There is only one God, and he doesn't dress like that". - - Captain America

TomFurman
Sergeant Commanding
Posts: 9806
Joined: Fri Dec 09, 2005 3:46 am
Location: Ft. Lauderdale

Re: Denisov, Vasiliev and Morozov...

Post by TomFurman » Sun Jan 17, 2016 6:23 pm

Holland Oates wrote:Vasiliev is a gawddamn freak. His gpp workouts are ridiculous. I did a seminar with him last year. He's built like a greyhound.
A Greyhound with a Myostatin variation in his genes. His wife has the most developed Teres/Lat area for a GS athlete. I can only imagine what their child will be capable of.
"There is only one God, and he doesn't dress like that". - - Captain America

User avatar
Holland Oates
Lifetime IGer
Posts: 14137
Joined: Thu Feb 07, 2008 8:32 am
Location: GAWD'S Country
Contact:

Re: Denisov, Vasiliev and Morozov...

Post by Holland Oates » Sun Jan 17, 2016 11:39 pm

And Denis is a legit good dude.
Southern Hospitality Is Aggressive Hospitality

Blaidd Drwg
Lifetime IGer
Posts: 19089
Joined: Wed Nov 01, 2006 5:39 pm

Re: Denisov, Vasiliev and Morozov...

Post by Blaidd Drwg » Mon Jan 18, 2016 12:03 am

aussie luke wrote:Not the same thing I know, but Pavel had said before and I think he's pretty right - once a guy starts to own a 32kg kettlebell, good things start to happen. I've noticed it before once I started pressing a 32 for reps and even just lots of one arm swings, body comp started to improve.

Doing reps with a legitimately heavy weight whether its double BW squats for 10's or hi reps snatches with 32k, is indicative of having put in the fucking work.

Alternatively you could reach this level of development in 1/3 the time using a better tool than a handleball....but whatever, it's a sport they say so more power to them.
"He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that." JS Mill

User avatar
Wild Bill
Sergeant Commanding
Posts: 5412
Joined: Sat Jul 26, 2008 2:26 am

Re: Denisov, Vasiliev and Morozov...

Post by Wild Bill » Tue Jan 19, 2016 7:47 am


User avatar
Shafpocalypse Now
Lifetime IGer
Posts: 21108
Joined: Fri Feb 04, 2005 11:26 pm

Re: Denisov, Vasiliev and Morozov...

Post by Shafpocalypse Now » Tue Jan 19, 2016 1:49 pm

Smart bodybuilding coupled with smart strength work trumps the results with regards to physique, that any other modality can accomplish with far less time and effort

Kbs and gymnastic are a hard and long road to look study without your shirt on

User avatar
Dunn
Sergeant Commanding
Posts: 6664
Joined: Mon Jan 05, 2009 4:06 pm
Location: Columbus, GA

Re: Denisov, Vasiliev and Morozov...

Post by Dunn » Tue Jan 19, 2016 2:26 pm

Shafpocalypse Now wrote:Smart bodybuilding coupled with smart strength work trumps the results with regards to physique, that any other modality can accomplish with far less time and effort

Kbs and gymnastic are a hard and long road to look study without your shirt on
Agreed.

User avatar
Wild Bill
Sergeant Commanding
Posts: 5412
Joined: Sat Jul 26, 2008 2:26 am

Re: Denisov, Vasiliev and Morozov...

Post by Wild Bill » Wed Jan 20, 2016 5:45 am

So, he must be Morozov's student #-o

ImageImage

Blaidd Drwg
Lifetime IGer
Posts: 19089
Joined: Wed Nov 01, 2006 5:39 pm

Re: Denisov, Vasiliev and Morozov...

Post by Blaidd Drwg » Wed Jan 20, 2016 5:49 am

Wild Bill wrote:So, he must be Morozov's student #-o

ImageImage
What are you on about?

For those who don't follow the sport closely... Illuminate the backstory?
"He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that." JS Mill

User avatar
Wild Bill
Sergeant Commanding
Posts: 5412
Joined: Sat Jul 26, 2008 2:26 am

Re: Denisov, Vasiliev and Morozov...

Post by Wild Bill » Wed Jan 20, 2016 6:00 am

about month ago, some new unknown guy, on not important competitions, made insane snatch.
and he is builtup not like average GS'r, all tallked about who is he.

Blaidd Drwg
Lifetime IGer
Posts: 19089
Joined: Wed Nov 01, 2006 5:39 pm

Re: Denisov, Vasiliev and Morozov...

Post by Blaidd Drwg » Wed Jan 20, 2016 6:05 am

Was his name Pavel or is he a different kind of fraud?
"He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that." JS Mill

User avatar
Wild Bill
Sergeant Commanding
Posts: 5412
Joined: Sat Jul 26, 2008 2:26 am

Re: Denisov, Vasiliev and Morozov...

Post by Wild Bill » Wed Jan 20, 2016 6:35 am

Denisov snatched 210.
This guy 222.

aussie luke
Staff Sergeant
Posts: 381
Joined: Fri Dec 27, 2013 12:56 pm

Re: Denisov, Vasiliev and Morozov...

Post by aussie luke » Wed Jan 20, 2016 6:55 am

Is he 11 feet tall?

User avatar
Wild Bill
Sergeant Commanding
Posts: 5412
Joined: Sat Jul 26, 2008 2:26 am

Re: Denisov, Vasiliev and Morozov...

Post by Wild Bill » Wed Jan 20, 2016 7:52 am

aussie luke wrote:Is he 11 feet tall?
i made a mistake, placing this pics together, but he obviously taller than Morozov :)

TomFurman
Sergeant Commanding
Posts: 9806
Joined: Fri Dec 09, 2005 3:46 am
Location: Ft. Lauderdale

Re: Denisov, Vasiliev and Morozov...

Post by TomFurman » Thu Jan 21, 2016 7:24 pm

Like in the Heavyhands book, Dr. Schwartz mentions a rower who was Arnold's size, 235 lb, and had a VO2 max of 70. This guy is an outlier.
"There is only one God, and he doesn't dress like that". - - Captain America

Blaidd Drwg
Lifetime IGer
Posts: 19089
Joined: Wed Nov 01, 2006 5:39 pm

Re: Denisov, Vasiliev and Morozov...

Post by Blaidd Drwg » Thu Jan 21, 2016 8:03 pm

Larger people like rowers tend to have higher absolute VO2 maxes. The relationship between VO2 max and body size is particularly interesting and the number swings you see have more to do with bodyfat than overall size.

Snippet from runners world article on subject
fat mass is a better predictor of relative VO2max than exercise performance (how far/fast you go in the VO2max test)! What this suggests is that the traditional relative VO2max is actually a combined measure of two different traits: how fit you are (i.e. VO2max divided by lean mass) and how fat you are (i.e. fat mass). That's why relative VO2max is such a good predictor of future health, the researchers suggest -- because it combines those two key health factors.

Interesting Finnish study here.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25164157

write up here...

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/ ... 092414.php
"He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that." JS Mill

User avatar
Sangoma
Sergeant Commanding
Posts: 6633
Joined: Mon Oct 08, 2007 11:16 pm
Contact:

Re: Denisov, Vasiliev and Morozov...

Post by Sangoma » Fri Jan 22, 2016 12:16 am

Rudnev told me once that the most difficult thing for him as a coach is to find a motivated heavyweight. A lot of small guys need to prove something to the world, while big guys just don't give a fuck. Maybe that's why bigger gireviks tend to have different physiques. IN any case, these three are not mere mortals.
Image

Blaidd Drwg
Lifetime IGer
Posts: 19089
Joined: Wed Nov 01, 2006 5:39 pm

Re: Denisov, Vasiliev and Morozov...

Post by Blaidd Drwg » Fri Jan 22, 2016 12:48 am

Sangoma wrote:Rudnev told me once that the most difficult thing for him as a coach is to find a motivated heavyweight. A lot of small guys need to prove something to the world, while big guys just don't give a fuck. Maybe that's why bigger gireviks tend to have different physiques. IN any case, these three are not mere mortals.

IME, the best endurance athletes are fat people....or people who would be fat if not for exceedingly high amounts of self loathing. To withstand the rigors of an endurance sport, I think it helps to have a physically large frame that you then purposefully and quite cruelly diet down. This is especially true of ultra running, cycling and skiing. I don't know how this translates to GS..but maybe he should look at recruiting some of the fatter rowers and XC skiers.
"He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that." JS Mill

Post Reply