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Re: Hybrid Athlete......

Post by powerlifter54 » Tue Apr 05, 2016 5:50 pm

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powerlifter54 wrote:Like Alex's stuff. Seems to be a smart guy. And will give him benefit of doubt.

BUT, unless you are starting from a healthy and preferably young place, his training would set most people back.

But not a fraud, and on the interwebz that is a big plus.
Set you back from what? You mean if you started as a hybrid athlete from the get go? you'd be set back from ..baseline?
Or do you mean if you were already a runner and added PL? or vice versa? I'm a little in the dark as I haven't read his book only reviewed some of his training ideas and articles. which are sparse.

Seems like if you were in the first camp, it'd be easier to start young and healthy but then...everything is easier.


My experience has been that adding anything to an established system, especially a new sport (no matter how related) always sets you back a little, sometimes a lot.
Starting from scratch young and healthy lots of possibilities. An established athlete in any specific sport adding in the opposite (strength<...>endurance) is going to have some issues. Absolutely going to set you back in training and results. But i think it will also in many cases irritate preexisting injuries.

Alex is impressive and walks the walk. But if he squats and pulls 700 raw while running, biking, and swimming i think i can safely bet he would lift 50-100 more if he didn't. Now if the outcomes he gets are what he wants and is shooting for then good for him. Betting Alex is a tad more healthy than say Dan Green or Blaine Sumner. To each their own...
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Re: Hybrid Athlete......

Post by Blaidd Drwg » Tue Apr 05, 2016 6:05 pm

That's what I thought and I get that.....and becuase I think our brains are wired similar on this topic let's play it out ...

In the clear light of day, I think I'd have a hard time characterizing that as a setback. To my mind, an athlete who chooses to do two things really decently..(lets say he's a middle aged guy who wants to be competitive in PL and HG both...;) would see it as a SETBACK if he couldn't do actually both. Of course, he would theoretically do better at each one individually if he focused completely on it to the exclusion of the other but that's hardly a "setback" given the goal. No more than it's a setback for someone to compete as a natural in a sport that allows drugs. You're setting the bar lower for yourself but you're also setting the bar where you think it belongs.

To me this is where Alex's message makes some real sense...esp. in sort of an IGX Gestalt. Alex sidesteps the notion of the primacy of one silo of ability and says "I want to be as good as I can at this and that." I think your default setting and my default setting are at odds with the whole premise...which challenges me in a good way. As for healthy, I think longevity in anything comes down to throttle control and realism...I'm not going to be Dan Green, but I can swim in the same ocean...and when Dan Green is having his bestie individually weed the zit garden on his back, I'll be riding my moutain bike with my 13 year old or throwing rocks with other kilted fat kids.

I guess I just like how Alex frames the question. Reminds me of our mutual friend Gin Master who would see it as unacceptable compromise to not be able to do judo/lift heavy/make brisket. All three are of equal importance.

The counterpoint is that at the end of this road lies crossfit or worse, which is why objective standards are still useful things to keep from bulshitting yourself and others.
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Post by Shafpocalypse Now » Tue Apr 05, 2016 6:38 pm

Speaking of which...Bobby McDonald's #bigguyclub standards can be seen Here

https://mobile.twitter.com/BobbyMaximus ... 4619289600

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Kind of makes me want to get a ski erg, but my wife is already pissed I do t use the c2 rower.

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Post by The Ginger Beard Man » Tue Apr 05, 2016 7:08 pm

Shafpocalypse Now wrote:Kind of makes me want to get a ski erg, but my wife is already pissed I do t use the c2 rower.
I love the ski erg. Rowing just doesn't treat my hips right.
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Re: Hybrid Athlete......

Post by WildGorillaMan » Tue Apr 05, 2016 7:15 pm

Shafpocalypse Now wrote:Speaking of which...Bobby McDonald's #bigguyclub standards can be seen Here

https://mobile.twitter.com/BobbyMaximus ... 4619289600
Also here:

https://www.instagram.com/p/zySxMhFu95/

While it's possible for anyone to nitpick that list, overall it's a pretty reasonable grasp of doable standards for a large land mammal.
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Re: Hybrid Athlete......

Post by Blaidd Drwg » Tue Apr 05, 2016 7:41 pm

You see what happens? Two things!!!TWO...not all the gaheaheyayayayayayayyyyy shit I can dig up in 20minutes....

You proffer what amounts to "life is more than your total"...and the next thing you know...FUVCKING MADNESS!

Fcuk you guys ruin everything....

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Even BRAM HAS YOU FUCKERS BEAT,,

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Triggered!~

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Post by Blaidd Drwg » Tue Apr 05, 2016 8:31 pm

so triggered.
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Post by JohnDoe » Tue Apr 05, 2016 8:49 pm

I was wondering how long it would take for this thread to make BD go all Whack-a-Mole on it.

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Re: Hybrid Athlete......

Post by syaigh » Tue Apr 05, 2016 8:53 pm

"Go big or go home" has ruined so many lives. Nothing wrong with mediocrity at a few things when mostly everyone else is failing at one.
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Re: Hybrid Athlete......

Post by Blaidd Drwg » Tue Apr 05, 2016 9:06 pm

JohnDoe wrote:I was wondering how long it would take for this thread to make BD go all Whack-a-Mole on it.

I feel like I held out pretty well.....

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Re: Hybrid Athlete......

Post by Shafpocalypse Now » Wed Apr 06, 2016 12:02 am

#IGXSHITCLUB

RUN FROM COPS EVERY TIME
PYJAMA WRASSLE OR JUST LIKE TO FIGHT
DROOGS. ALL OF THEM OR NOT.
BE HURT AND FUCKED UP
NEED COUNSELING
BOOZE. LOTS.
TOBACCO. WHATEVER
FAT. BE IT
ENJOY BEING THE WINNER OF THE OVER 40, SUPERHEAVYWEIGHT 'SHAF'S GARAGE' SUPER TOTAL MEET
THROW A HAMMER FURTHER THAN A 70 YEAR OLD MASTERS SKIRTED TWIRLER
HOLD FORTH ON POLICY. ANY POLICY YOU FEEL LIKE
SNEER AT OTHER IGXER
WORK IN LAW, HEALTH CARE, INTOXICANT INDUSTRY OR NOT AT ALL
SPENT A NIGHT IN JAIL OR ON ROOF, OR UNDER BARREL OR SOMETHING HIDING FROM LAW ENFORCEMENT
BE INVOLVED IN LAW ENFORCEMENT SOMEHOW
SWING AN ACHYBALL AND BE SERIOUS ABOUT IT
BE DIVORCED, ESTRANGED FOR YOUR SPOUSE, OR KIDS, OR BOTH, OR BE BARELY HOLDING ON THE RELATIONSHIP OR JUST FLAT OUT UNFUCKABLE
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Re: Hybrid Athlete......

Post by Blaidd Drwg » Wed Apr 06, 2016 3:22 am

Shafpocalypse Now wrote:#IGXSHITCLUB

RUN FROM COPS EVERY TIME
PYJAMA WRASSLE OR JUST LIKE TO FIGHT
DROOGS. ALL OF THEM OR NOT.
BE HURT AND FUCKED UP
NEED COUNSELING
BOOZE. LOTS.
TOBACCO. WHATEVER
FAT. BE IT
ENJOY BEING THE WINNER OF THE OVER 40, SUPERHEAVYWEIGHT 'SHAF'S GARAGE' SUPER TOTAL MEET
THROW A HAMMER FURTHER THAN A 70 YEAR OLD MASTERS SKIRTED TWIRLER
HOLD FORTH ON POLICY. ANY POLICY YOU FEEL LIKE
SNEER AT OTHER IGXER
WORK IN LAW, HEALTH CARE, INTOXICANT INDUSTRY OR NOT AT ALL
SPENT A NIGHT IN JAIL OR ON ROOF, OR UNDER BARREL OR SOMETHING HIDING FROM LAW ENFORCEMENT
BE INVOLVED IN LAW ENFORCEMENT SOMEHOW
SWING AN ACHYBALL AND BE SERIOUS ABOUT IT
BE DIVORCED, ESTRANGED FOR YOUR SPOUSE, OR KIDS, OR BOTH, OR BE BARELY HOLDING ON THE RELATIONSHIP OR JUST FLAT OUT UNFUCKABLE
KNOW WHY BEES AND HUNNY ARE IN YOUR WALLS
RUN IN MILF PORN CIRCLES
HRT++++++++ DENIER
USE CPAP
RIDE A CHILD'S BIKE
ENJOY THE OUTDOORS
=D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D>

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get to work...
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Which one am I?
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Re: Hybrid Athlete......

Post by SubClaw » Wed Apr 06, 2016 4:55 am

syaigh wrote:"Go big or go home" has ruined so many lives. Nothing wrong with mediocrity at a few things when mostly everyone else is failing at one.
It bears repeating. =D> =D> =D>

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Post by WildGorillaMan » Wed Apr 06, 2016 12:20 pm

Blaidd Drwg wrote:
Shafpocalypse Now wrote:#IGXSHITCLUB

RUN FROM COPS EVERY TIME
PYJAMA WRASSLE OR JUST LIKE TO FIGHT
DROOGS. ALL OF THEM OR NOT.
BE HURT AND FUCKED UP
NEED COUNSELING
BOOZE. LOTS.
TOBACCO. WHATEVER
FAT. BE IT
ENJOY BEING THE WINNER OF THE OVER 40, SUPERHEAVYWEIGHT 'SHAF'S GARAGE' SUPER TOTAL MEET
THROW A HAMMER FURTHER THAN A 70 YEAR OLD MASTERS SKIRTED TWIRLER
HOLD FORTH ON POLICY. ANY POLICY YOU FEEL LIKE
SNEER AT OTHER IGXER
WORK IN LAW, HEALTH CARE, INTOXICANT INDUSTRY OR NOT AT ALL
SPENT A NIGHT IN JAIL OR ON ROOF, OR UNDER BARREL OR SOMETHING HIDING FROM LAW ENFORCEMENT
BE INVOLVED IN LAW ENFORCEMENT SOMEHOW
SWING AN ACHYBALL AND BE SERIOUS ABOUT IT
BE DIVORCED, ESTRANGED FOR YOUR SPOUSE, OR KIDS, OR BOTH, OR BE BARELY HOLDING ON THE RELATIONSHIP OR JUST FLAT OUT UNFUCKABLE
KNOW WHY BEES AND HUNNY ARE IN YOUR WALLS
RUN IN MILF PORN CIRCLES
HRT++++++++ DENIER
USE CPAP
RIDE A CHILD'S BIKE
ENJOY THE OUTDOORS
=D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D>

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get to work...
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Re: Hybrid Athlete......

Post by climber511 » Wed Apr 06, 2016 4:18 pm

Blaidd Drwg wrote:That's what I thought and I get that.....and becuase I think our brains are wired similar on this topic let's play it out ...

In the clear light of day, I think I'd have a hard time characterizing that as a setback. To my mind, an athlete who chooses to do two things really decently..(lets say he's a middle aged guy who wants to be competitive in PL and HG both...;) would see it as a SETBACK if he couldn't do actually both. Of course, he would theoretically do better at each one individually if he focused completely on it to the exclusion of the other but that's hardly a "setback" given the goal. No more than it's a setback for someone to compete as a natural in a sport that allows drugs. You're setting the bar lower for yourself but you're also setting the bar where you think it belongs.

To me this is where Alex's message makes some real sense...esp. in sort of an IGX Gestalt. Alex sidesteps the notion of the primacy of one silo of ability and says "I want to be as good as I can at this and that." I think your default setting and my default setting are at odds with the whole premise...which challenges me in a good way. As for healthy, I think longevity in anything comes down to throttle control and realism...I'm not going to be Dan Green, but I can swim in the same ocean...and when Dan Green is having his bestie individually weed the zit garden on his back, I'll be riding my moutain bike with my 13 year old or throwing rocks with other kilted fat kids.

I guess I just like how Alex frames the question. Reminds me of our mutual friend Gin Master who would see it as unacceptable compromise to not be able to do judo/lift heavy/make brisket. All three are of equal importance.

The counterpoint is that at the end of this road lies crossfit or worse, which is why objective standards are still useful things to keep from bulshitting yourself and others.
I am having a hard time believing this is possible for any "average" middle age guy with or without a good drug regime and having been way above average in one or the other when younger . Hell I have trouble believing even a genetic freak can be Elite in both disciplines at the same point in time. Good yeah - beyond great -- bullshit. Throw a good amount of time between the two disciplines and yeah I'll buy it - same time (say one month apart) - maybe possible - but I'm not buying it. I like what he has to say - and think he's on to something but ...............

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Wait, wait. You're saying this guy has a drug regime?

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Blaidd Drwg wrote:That's what I thought and I get that.....and becuase I think our brains are wired similar on this topic let's play it out ...

In the clear light of day, I think I'd have a hard time characterizing that as a setback. To my mind, an athlete who chooses to do two things really decently..(lets say he's a middle aged guy who wants to be competitive in PL and HG both...;) would see it as a SETBACK if he couldn't do actually both. Of course, he would theoretically do better at each one individually if he focused completely on it to the exclusion of the other but that's hardly a "setback" given the goal. No more than it's a setback for someone to compete as a natural in a sport that allows drugs. You're setting the bar lower for yourself but you're also setting the bar where you think it belongs.

To me this is where Alex's message makes some real sense...esp. in sort of an IGX Gestalt. Alex sidesteps the notion of the primacy of one silo of ability and says "I want to be as good as I can at this and that." I think your default setting and my default setting are at odds with the whole premise...which challenges me in a good way. As for healthy, I think longevity in anything comes down to throttle control and realism...I'm not going to be Dan Green, but I can swim in the same ocean...and when Dan Green is having his bestie individually weed the zit garden on his back, I'll be riding my moutain bike with my 13 year old or throwing rocks with other kilted fat kids.

I guess I just like how Alex frames the question. Reminds me of our mutual friend Gin Master who would see it as unacceptable compromise to not be able to do judo/lift heavy/make brisket. All three are of equal importance.

The counterpoint is that at the end of this road lies crossfit or worse, which is why objective standards are still useful things to keep from bulshitting yourself and others.
I am having a hard time believing this is possible for any "average" middle age guy with or without a good drug regime and having been way above average in one or the other when younger . Hell I have trouble believing even a genetic freak can be Elite in both disciplines at the same point in time. Good yeah - beyond great -- bullshit. Throw a good amount of time between the two disciplines and yeah I'll buy it - same time (say one month apart) - maybe possible - but I'm not buying it. I like what he has to say - and think he's on to something but ...............
Perhaps. I think it depends on the definition of ELITE and average. No average middle age guy will pursue anything like elite in any discipline....average people do t usually show up. In my prior example I don't think it's impossible by any stretch....mostly because elite is a category that is objectively rated. ( License and category at least in cycling and similar)

If you think in terms of elite as more broadly, top 10% (or maybe 5 or 2) in your age group or weigh class, I can think of many examples, a elite level powerlifter, pro class HG athlete. Again it goes to compatibility of the sports, body type, mental capabilities.

I hear you that average dudes will mostly get average results pursuing a single goal let alone two. No average guy is gong to make himself a Cat 1/2 cyclist and total elite in powerlifting...but a national level competitor in both grappling and weightlifting. Or my pursuit, , A Class thrower in HG and elite PL... I can think of dozens of those guys, the numbers are gettable.... and I consider myself pretty average.
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Post by Blaidd Drwg » Wed Apr 06, 2016 4:57 pm

I know at least one middle aged dude who has a boxing license at 45, just won nationals in grappling and routinely is putting up very strong PL and strongman weights. He's not so much a freak as a very hard worker who needs multiple outlets.

I don't know.. It's all just thought provoking... Elite is an objective if loaded term. But I think pursuing *very very good (all things considered) might not be such a bad idea.

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Blaidd Drwg wrote:I know at least one middle aged dude who has a boxing license at 45, just won nationals in grappling and routinely is putting up very strong PL and strongman weights. He's not so much a freak as a very hard worker who needs multiple outlets.

I don't know.. It's all just thought provoking... Elite is an objective if loaded term. But I think pursuing *very very good (all things considered) might not be such a bad idea.

IDK
Been thinking this over a lot recently. I have certain things I want to be able to do. Nothing extraordinary by themselves but better than average but fuck that's not really saying much considering what average really is.
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Holland Oates wrote:
Blaidd Drwg wrote:I know at least one middle aged dude who has a boxing license at 45, just won nationals in grappling and routinely is putting up very strong PL and strongman weights. He's not so much a freak as a very hard worker who needs multiple outlets.

I don't know.. It's all just thought provoking... Elite is an objective if loaded term. But I think pursuing *very very good (all things considered) might not be such a bad idea.

IDK
Been thinking this over a lot recently. I have certain things I want to be able to do. Nothing extraordinary by themselves but better than average but fuck that's not really saying much considering what average really is.

If anything, listening to this discussion, it makes you want to go crush it at at least two things just to say you did.
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