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Bulgarian Method

Post by Beer Jew » Mon Jun 06, 2016 8:33 pm

Great video. Particularly interesting when he discusses the misused concept of a "daily max" in relation to Bulgarian Lifting.


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Post by powerlifter54 » Tue Jun 07, 2016 6:41 pm

Really like the concept but unless you are very gifted, have tons of time to train and recover with low stress environment, and excellent drug protocols and monitoring, this will probably not work for very many.

Using RPE takes the best part of this concept and allows mere mortals to survive.
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Post by Blaidd Drwg » Tue Jun 07, 2016 7:31 pm

I was surprised the hear how it actually works as opposed to how people say it works.
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Post by Beer Jew » Tue Jun 07, 2016 9:33 pm

Yup. Makes it even more ridiculous when people talk about "doing the Bulgarian method" because they're squatting three times a week.

I can't even imagine trying to go 90%+ of an absolute max everyday. If you watch his lifters compete in the video, you can just see the absolute toll and fatigue on the body.

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Re: Bulgarian Method

Post by Testiclaw » Tue Jun 07, 2016 10:16 pm

Max is a really cool dude. One of the guys he worked with lives about 10 miles from me, in the town over. I had the chance to bullshit with Max quite a bit when was at MSU.

I think it's hilarious that people always say, "They just meant a max for that day", when, clearly, that wasn't the case at all.

I think RPE work, like Jack said, is the only reasonable way to make it work for most lifters, but it definitely wasn't how the Bulgarians did it.

I know Max struggled for a while with his wrist. I think he exclusively squatted for a period of time longer than a year. Maybe more?

Would've been interesting to see him develop as a weightlifter.

Kid is strong. I remember when he was here; he's been grinding away and making tons of progress.

Always real nice, polite, which is a rarity in collegiate weightrooms.
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Re: Bulgarian Method

Post by davidc » Tue Jun 07, 2016 11:18 pm

Thanks for posting this.

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Post by WildGorillaMan » Tue Jun 07, 2016 11:36 pm

INB4 someone posts a link to Lylez 10,000 word multi-installment screed against the Bulgarian Method and all its bastard step-children.
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Re: Bulgarian Method

Post by Shafpocalypse Now » Wed Jun 08, 2016 3:06 am

Aita worked with abajiev right?

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Post by Testiclaw » Wed Jun 08, 2016 4:30 am

Shafpocalypse Now wrote:Aita worked with abajiev right?
Yes.
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Post by Shafpocalypse Now » Wed Jun 08, 2016 12:54 pm

So, he, in reality, has a better idea of what abajiev had in mind than most

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Re: Bulgarian Method

Post by powerlifter54 » Wed Jun 08, 2016 1:42 pm

http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB100014240 ... 3601842556

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Heavy Lifting, No Rest, Candy: the Bulgarian Method
By HANNAH KARP
June 21, 2011
Danville, Calif.

Ivan Abadjiev knows a thing or two about heavy lifting.

U.S. weightlifters haven't won an Olympic gold medal for 40 years. Now they're hoping the Bulgarians can bring them success. Ivan Abadjiev, who lead their national team to multiple championships, is bring his "Bulgarian Method' to a new academy in Danville, Calif.
Bulgaria's most renowned weightlifting coach led his tiny country to a stunning Olympic victory over the Soviet Union in 1972. By the 1980s his country's strongmen completely dominated world competitions, hoisting more than three times their body weight—a feat that has rarely been matched. He's produced champions in Turkey and Qatar—and he even turned around his country's junior national badminton team.

Now, at age 79, the soft-spoken, silver-haired legend who speaks little English is taking on his most difficult challenge to date: Convincing American athletes they can do better. If only, that is, they would only adopt "the Bulgarian method."

Under the Bulgarian method, which Mr. Abadjiev invented, there is no danger of overtraining. The body, if pushed gradually and consistently, will adapt to any level of stress. Practice should ideally consume nearly half of one's waking hours and, most important, there are no days off. The theory is that injury and fatigue are less likely while adrenaline is coursing through the body, stimulating protein synthesis. Junk food is fair game.

By contrast, most American fitness trainers believe peak performance results only from an expertly plotted combination of exercises to build things like endurance, core strength and cardiovascular health—while including periods of stretching and rest. A healthy, balanced diet is essential.


Olympic weight-lifting coach Ivan Abadjiev is trying to persuade American athletes to adopt his "Bulgarian method." BRIAN L. FRANK FOR THE WALL STREET JOURNAL
For the past six months, Mr. Abadjiev has been spending nearly every morning and afternoon training competitive weightlifters at a new academy here, missing work only when he heads out of town to lecture. A former student hired Mr. Abadjiev to spread his message: Never attempt less than the maximum.

So far, there are only four Americans and one Mexican training at the Danville academy, which hopes to produce several Olympic medalists in the 2016 Summer Games in Rio de Janeiro.

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"It goes against everything you were ever taught," says Jacqueline Janet, a 48-year-old personal trainer who swore off jogging, sit-ups and yoga in order to do a monotonous series of lifts, up to five hours a day, with Mr. Abadjiev. She says she's now a believer after recently breaking a national record for her age group in an amateur weightlifting competition. Still, she disagrees with Mr. Abadjiev's "horrible diet" and tosses out his candy and soda.

Last month, Mr. Abadjiev delivered a 90-minute lecture at a collegiate strength-coach convention in Kansas City, Mo., explaining how the Bulgarian method could be applied to college sports. The concept was met with hearty skepticism.

One coach doubted he could "get the guys to buy in" to such a taxing, time-consuming program. (Mr. Abadjiev suggested revoking their personal possessions, like cellphones.) Southern Illinois University's strength coach, Jared Nessland, said after the presentation, "You can't beat the snot out of these kids—they don't have the mental toughness."

But Tommy Lee Barnes, an associate strength coach from the University of Tennessee, was intrigued.

"It kind of made me think, 'Gosh, am I loading my athletes enough?' " said Mr. Barnes, adding that American coaches tend to "lean on the side of undertraining" to account for other stresses in their athletes' lives, like classwork and relationships. "We tend to be on the reserved side, but then again, the American [men] haven't won a gold medal in 40 years."

Bulgaria held its first weightlifting competition in 1946, but the country lost miserably year after year. Then, Mr. Abadjiev, who had spent his childhood working in a basket-weaving factory, earned the country's first weightlifting medal—a silver—in the Tehran World Championships in 1957. Mr. Abadjiev says he began experimenting with his own physical limits in his free time. Reading up on biological research confirmed his suspicions: "You lift more, train more, you get higher results."

Mr. Abadjiev and his followers say the Bulgarian method decreases the risk of injury, since these lifters are acclimated to weights that opponents would attempt only in competition. But some U.S. coaches say Bulgarian-trained lifters have had shorter Olympic careers, on average, than lifters from other countries. There are no comparative statistical data to verify either claim.

Over the years, Mr. Abadjiev's credibility has been undercut as Bulgarians have repeatedly been caught using banned substances, both under his watch and his successors'. The International Weightlifting Federation has warned its member federations against hiring Mr. Abadjiev because of his links to doping scandals, though Mr. Abadjiev says the only drug he ever tried giving his athletes was Albuterol, a medicine asthmatics inhale to clear their airways that wasn't banned at the time.

In 1989, Mr. Abadjiev, resigned from coaching the national team as communism fell. He worked as a locksmith and a security guard to make ends meet. He also coached national teams in Turkey and Qatar and even Bulgaria's junior badminton players before returning to coach the Bulgarian weightlifters for the 2000 Sydney Olympics. There, three lifters returned their medals after testing positive for trace amounts of a diuretic. A Bulgarian court later found Mr. Abadjiev and the athletes not guilty because a Bulgarian drug maker hadn't disclosed the presence of the diuretic in a supplement the team was taking. Nonetheless, the IWF stopped recommending him for coaching positions.

Mr. Abadjiev had been living on his small pension in the Bulgarian capital of Sofia with his wife when he got a call last year from one of his first students, Alex Krychev. A one-time silver medalist, Mr. Krychev had founded a supplement company called CSA Nuitrition and partnered with Swedish barbell maker Eleiko to open its first Olympic training academy. Mr. Krychev hired Mr. Abadjiev to consult.

Mr. Krychev says the Danville academy, which opened in January has two American Olympic hopefuls, Kris Pavlov, a 20-year-old former Monte Vista, Calif., football player who speaks Bulgarian and serves as Mr. Abadjiev's translator, and Sina Abadi, an Iranian high-school sophomore from Concord, Calif., who's ranked No. 1 in the U.S. in his weight class among lifters born in 1995.

In the meantime, Arthur Drechsler, chairman of USA Weightlifting's board of directors, says the Olympics organization is seeking a middle ground. Many American coaches have attended Mr. Abadjiev's seminars, read his articles and even traveled to Bulgaria, "looking for ways to get the same results, but with lower intensity and volume of workouts," he says.

Mr. Abadjiev, of course, says that is impossible.

Write to Hannah Karp at [email protected]
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Re: Bulgarian Method

Post by WildGorillaMan » Wed Jun 08, 2016 1:46 pm

That's a lovely puff piece the WSJ put out on behalf of USAWA, too bad nothing ever came of it.
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Post by powerlifter54 » Wed Jun 08, 2016 1:50 pm

WildGorillaMan wrote:That's a lovely puff piece the WSJ put out on behalf of USAWA, too bad nothing ever came of it.
USAWL is the primary reason the US sucks at Oly right after our inability to train on drugs. But even if USAWL had more drug use than your local @fit box before the Regionals, USAWL leadership would still screw it up.
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Post by Shafpocalypse Now » Wed Jun 08, 2016 3:25 pm

USAWA is like USARF (rugby)...full of career bureaucrats looking to keep the gravy train coming. I think there's a piece somewhere online about some USAWA admin bitching about the 1000s of new registered lifters that came with Crossfit.

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Post by WildGorillaMan » Wed Jun 08, 2016 3:28 pm

Shafpocalypse Now wrote:USAWA is like USARF (rugby)...full of career bureaucrats looking to keep the gravy train coming. I think there's a piece somewhere online about some USAWA admin bitching about the 1000s of new registered lifters that came with Crossfit.
Oh yes. The old bastards in charge of WL were outraged that their sport ballooned in popularity with all these new paying customers.
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Re: Bulgarian Method

Post by Bob Wildes » Sat Jun 11, 2016 1:30 pm

Good video. :supz:
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