Grandpa's Spells wrote:
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1. The typical American yoga class is bullshit furniture yoga filled with inflexible and weak people but this has more to do with the typical American than the typical yogi and it is certainly not indicative of a consistent yoga practitioners.
Steve's yoga instructor is that Ukranian Andrey Lappa dude, and he explicitly stated "US yoga classes." I'm not sure what you are saying is false. He says, "US yoga classes are full of weaklings," and you say "That's false, US yoga classes are full of weaklings."
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2. Western-style yoga has already been re-invented 12 times over. What he calls for has already been in use for many years. See Bikram's. See Asthanga. See Power Yoga. See Baptiste.
Again, I don't understand. I've seen a couple hundred Bikram practitioners now, and the only ones who can likely do a pullup are the ones who have a background with other exercise modalities. I know fewer people from the other disciplines, but I don't think they would meet Maxwell's definition of "strong" unless they are doing supplemental exercise. You mentioned your own yoga teacher wished more yogis would lift weights.
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3. Any serious practitioner of the above mentioned styles of yoga, which are all really Western despite any claims to the contrary, is certainly strong when it comes to bodyweight stuff.
Wait, so now Western yoga classes aren't full of weaklings? Which is it?
*Sigh*
I thought I was pretty clear on this.
Maxwell’s statement was too broad. What’s typical American yoga? If I had to guess it would be some sort of quasi Hatha yoga that utilizes various props and gadgets and focuses on lots of hippy bullshit. Some one like Bikram would state that this doesn’t even remotely resemble yoga. In this “typical” class I would highly doubt than many were “flexible” as Steve states. I would say that most were both inflexible and weak. Flexibility is not the enemy of strength. I was clear on this. I would further add imbalanced. But as I had stated this has less to do with yoga and more to do with the state of Western man’s body that has been created in no small measure by sport driven exercise.
I am a Bikram’s guy but dabbled in the “power” yogas in the past and know several devoted Asthanga guys that can do one arm pushups, pull-ups and other bodyweight feats easily. I think I understand Steve’s definition of strong and most yogis would not meet his standards but so what? Most of these definitions are fairly arbitrary. Strong for what? That’s always my question. I have deadlifted over 600 pounds but was floored the first time I tried to do just the first portion of standing leg to knee for 20 seconds. I could not lock my knee out. To me strength would be defined as resistance to disease and injury. Plenty of men that we normally define as “strong” are in constant states of injury. They aren’t necessary strong in so much as they are extremely imbalanced. So in certain arbitrary movements they are several standard deviations from the mean in the positive direction but in other movements they are several deviations in the negative direction.
Of course now you’ve got me thinking. I think it would be an interesting experiment to halt the bodyweight stuff and after say a 30 day period test my self on push ups, pull-ups and bodyweight squats. I will mull this over.