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goldman sachs, et al
Posted: Sat Sep 27, 2014 2:42 pm
by dead man walking
more revelations about the oligarchs.
i assume you heard, but if you haven't, here's a condensed version:
http://www.newsday.com/opinion/oped/the ... -1.9415370
lewis says we now have the equivalent of the ray rice tape for wall st and the federal reserve, i.e. regulators are wall st.'s bitches. you already knew it, but now it's utterly transparent.
nothing will change, of course. disheartening stuff for a sunny saturday morning.
Re: goldman sachs, et al
Posted: Sat Sep 27, 2014 5:29 pm
by Grandpa's Spells
Heard some of the audio. Being familiar with how regulators behave from a few different departments, the level of deference here was unbelievable. If the people were unidentified I'd have suspected it was fake.
Goldman's own lawyers likely were tougher on them than these clowns were. Ray Rice it isn't, because normal people won't have the same visceral reaction, but this should outrage anybody who cares about oversight.
Re: goldman sachs, et al
Posted: Sat Sep 27, 2014 6:54 pm
by johno
Nobody cared when the Obama administration started pushing "affordable" mortgages again, although it was widely covered by the media. Those were the Shit in the derivatives Shit Sandwich.
Re: goldman sachs, et al
Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2014 3:44 am
by Turdacious
It's an extraordinary document. There is not space here to do it justice, but the gist is this: The Fed failed to regulate the banks because it did not encourage its employees to ask questions, to speak their minds or to point out problems.
Just the opposite: The Fed encourages its employees to keep their heads down, to obey their managers and to appease the banks. That is, bank regulators failed to do their jobs properly not because they lacked the tools but because they were discouraged from using them.
http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2 ... achs-tapes
Yes We Can!
Re: goldman sachs, et al
Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2014 12:25 pm
by nafod
This will be pushed to the back page by the news that Honey Boo Boo's parents, Mama June and Sugar Bear, are separating. For which my knowledge of I will go to hell.
Re: goldman sachs, et al
Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2014 12:31 pm
by nafod
Actually upon further review, Mama June is a welfare mom with 4 kids by 4 different fathers getting a free government ride. This is her thread too.
Re: goldman sachs, et al
Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2014 1:05 pm
by dead man walking
soon johno and turd will post, suggesting that too is obama's fault
Re: goldman sachs, et al
Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2014 2:31 pm
by Turdacious
Re: goldman sachs, et al
Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2014 2:49 pm
by Kazuya Mishima
dead man walking wrote:soon johno and turd will post, suggesting that too is obama's fault
It's an undeniable fact that there are lots of Jews and niggers at the bottom of this.
Re: goldman sachs, et al
Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2014 4:15 pm
by dead man walking
turd,
that paulson guy, who was bush's sec of treasury. where did he work before he went into the gubmint?
i know that you know that to make this issue about obama is partisan stupidity.
Re: goldman sachs, et al
Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2014 4:21 pm
by The Ginger Beard Man
Paulson replaced Snow after the Dems regained the Senate, and I think the house, too. One of the reasons Bush chose him was because the Dems were willing to approve the nomination.
Not that that exempts Bush. Or Obama. Or Clinton. Or the House or the Senate. Or the democrats or the republicans. Or The idiot voters like you and me who keep sending these clowns to DC. Or Goldman Sachs.
Re: goldman sachs, et al
Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2014 4:29 pm
by Turdacious
At least in terms of numbers, more GS people in the Obama WH than the GWB WH.
http://www.whiteoutpress.com/articles/q ... ite-house/
More importantly, when you run on being the guy who will effectively regulate the financial sector, and you don't-- you deserve to be judged on it. If Obama's done something significant in this area, other than taking credit for TARP, I'm not aware of it.
Re: goldman sachs, et al
Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2014 4:40 pm
by dead man walking
i'm not going to defend obama. i'm not blaming him either. and i don't believe you've got a candidate who would address the problem effectively.
Re: goldman sachs, et al
Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2014 5:07 pm
by Grandpa's Spells
Regulators are typically career guys who have been around for a long time. Culture does not become bad or good quickly, though enforcement may vary depending on who's at the top.
This isn't really something you can blame Obama or Bush for, except for starting today. If Obama & Congress tolerate this, it's absolutely on them. The clowns doing these audits will jump in line if they know people are getting fired.
Re: goldman sachs, et al
Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2014 9:49 pm
by Turdacious
Grandpa's Spells wrote:This isn't really something you can blame Obama or Bush for, except for starting today.
???
The deal looked like a classic case of insider trading. But in the summer of 2005, when Aguirre [SEC investigator] told his boss he planned to interview [John] Mack, things started getting weird. His boss told him the case wasn't likely to fly, explaining that Mack had "powerful political connections." (The investment banker had been a fundraising "Ranger" for George Bush in 2004, and would go on to be a key backer of Hillary Clinton in 2008.)
Aguirre also started to feel pressure from Morgan Stanley, which was in the process of trying to rehire Mack as CEO. At first, Aguirre was contacted by the bank's regulatory liaison, Eric Dinallo, a former top aide to Eliot Spitzer. But it didn't take long for Morgan Stanley to work its way up the SEC chain of command. Within three days, another of the firm's lawyers, Mary Jo White, was on the phone with the SEC's director of enforcement. In a shocking move that was later singled out by Senate investigators, the director actually appeared to reassure White, dismissing the case against Mack as "smoke" rather than "fire." White, incidentally, was herself the former U.S. attorney of the Southern District of New York — one of the top cops on Wall Street.
Pause for a minute to take this in. Aguirre, an SEC foot soldier, is trying to interview a major Wall Street executive — not handcuff the guy or impound his yacht, mind you, just talk to him. In the course of doing so, he finds out that his target's firm is being represented not only by Eliot Spitzer's former top aide, but by the former U.S. attorney overseeing Wall Street, who is going four levels over his head to speak directly to the chief of the SEC's enforcement division — not Aguirre's boss, but his boss's boss's boss's boss. Mack himself, meanwhile, was being represented by Gary Lynch, a former SEC director of enforcement.
Aguirre didn't stand a chance. A month after he complained to his supervisors that he was being blocked from interviewing Mack, he was summarily fired, without notice. The case against Mack was immediately dropped: all depositions canceled, no further subpoenas issued. "It all happened so fast, I needed a seat belt," recalls Aguirre, who had just received a stellar performance review from his bosses. The SEC eventually paid Aguirre a settlement of $755,000 for wrongful dismissal.
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/ne ... 216?page=3
Any guesses on what Mary Jo White's job is right now?
Re: goldman sachs, et al
Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2014 11:17 pm
by Fuzzy Dunlop
Turdacious wrote:At least in terms of numbers, more GS people in the Obama WH than the GWB WH.
http://www.whiteoutpress.com/articles/q ... ite-house/
More importantly, when you run on being the guy who will effectively regulate the financial sector, and you don't-- you deserve to be judged on it. If Obama's done something significant in this area, other than taking credit for TARP, I'm not aware of it.
Dodd Frank is quite a big dick up the ass of the entire industry
Re: goldman sachs, et al
Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2014 12:33 am
by Sangoma
In Michael Moore's documentary Capitalism: the Love Story is an interesting moment. Freshly elected Ronald Reagan is going to ring the opening bell of the New York Sock Exchange. Next to him is the President of the Exchange. reagan addresses the crowd of traders and tells them what he is going to do with the financial. At some moment he says: "And we are going to deregulate banking system". AT this time the NTSE president cuts in: "And you are going to do it fast!" A little glimpse at the real power.
Re: goldman sachs, et al
Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2014 1:00 am
by Turdacious
Fuzzy Dunlop wrote:Turdacious wrote:At least in terms of numbers, more GS people in the Obama WH than the GWB WH.
http://www.whiteoutpress.com/articles/q ... ite-house/
More importantly, when you run on being the guy who will effectively regulate the financial sector, and you don't-- you deserve to be judged on it. If Obama's done something significant in this area, other than taking credit for TARP, I'm not aware of it.
Dodd Frank is quite a big dick up the ass of the entire industry
As Tom Hoenig (then President of the Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City and now a Director of the FDIC) said, “Dodd-Frank has raised the cost of financial transactions in America and that encourages consolidation because it’s the only way you can spread the costs over larger assets.”
http://www.aei.org/speech/economics/fin ... mpetition/
Only to the small players.
Re: goldman sachs, et al
Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2014 2:02 pm
by dead man walking
regulation is imperfect and self-regulation is a license to steal.
what's your answer?
Re: goldman sachs, et al
Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2014 3:08 pm
by nafod
Turdacious wrote:As Tom Hoenig (then President of the Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City and now a Director of the FDIC) said, “Dodd-Frank has raised the cost of financial transactions in America and that encourages consolidation because it’s the only way you can spread the costs over larger assets.”
That's an argument you can use to springboard across into the "too big to fail" stratosphere.

Re: goldman sachs, et al
Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2014 3:25 pm
by Grandpa's Spells
I wouldn't accept that Dodd Frank has meaningfully increased the cost of doing business without numbers. Seems highly unlikely.
Re: goldman sachs, et al
Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2014 4:04 pm
by Turdacious
dead man walking wrote:regulation is imperfect and self-regulation is a license to steal.
what's your answer?
Return to pre-Clinton rules-- keeps financial firms smaller and keeps housing affordable.
Re: goldman sachs, et al
Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2014 4:59 pm
by nafod
Turdacious wrote:dead man walking wrote:regulation is imperfect and self-regulation is a license to steal.
what's your answer?
Return to pre-Clinton rules-- keeps financial firms smaller and keeps housing affordable.
Definitely need to create some sort of downward pressure on institution size. Let the institutions fail early and often, but have enough so a failure is easily absorbed and the system improves from them.
Re: goldman sachs, et al
Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2014 6:50 pm
by dead man walking
big trial coming up with former aig bossman suing government.
goldman sachs figures prominently as recipient of money thru aig, but didn't have to take a haircut, i.e. got 100 cents on the dollar. am i reading this right.
the sheep keep getting shorn
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/29/opini ... d=30103353
Re: goldman sachs, et al
Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2014 8:53 pm
by Fat Cat
You are all slaves to Jew bankers.