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Good morning everyone!!
This Holiday always strikes me as quite gruesome. Where supposedly a bloody and tortured to death body comes alive, crawls out a cave and levitates reverse skydive fashion into the sky. All that with nobody watching.....for my sins! Thanx JC...appreciate it!!
Oh and I have bunnies that shit out colored chicken eggs for sale.....

And Happy Easter to you, Andy. Hope you find all your eggs.

I always felt that the whole '3 days after' thing was tacked on later, The tomb being empty with no resurrection and the body gone was a beautiful, mystical conclusion

Shafpocalypse Now wrote:I always felt that the whole '3 days after' thing was tacked on later, The tomb being empty with no resurrection and the body gone was a beautiful, mystical conclusion

Agreed. Sounds like a Dan Brown book.

Shafpocalypse Now wrote:I always felt that the whole '3 days after' thing was tacked on later, The tomb being empty with no resurrection and the body gone was a beautiful, mystical conclusion

I think Bill O'Reilly's non-fiction "Killing Jesus" supports your position. But you and seeahill probably wouldn't know that because Bill is Fox News and we all know that anything and everybody connected to Fox News is a goddamned fucking fool of a liar.

Timmy, do you think O'Reilly plagiarized Dan Brown?

seeahill wrote:

Shafpocalypse Now wrote:I always felt that the whole '3 days after' thing was tacked on later, The tomb being empty with no resurrection and the body gone was a beautiful, mystical conclusion

Agreed. Sounds like a Dan Brown book.

That would make Christianity pointless.

arent all religions pointless?

tough old man wrote:arent all religions pointless?

As a Level III Thetan with an empty bank account....I sure hope not. Else, I'd be feeling pretty stupid right now.

tough old man wrote:arent all religions pointless?

I wouldn't stop at pointless, I'd say dangerous and regressive.

You have the Janism and some calmer sects of Buddhism (but even Buddhism has extremists), that are exceptions, but the others are a horrible detriment to our species, and our progress.

Testiclaw wrote:

tough old man wrote:arent all religions pointless?

I wouldn't stop at pointless, I'd say dangerous and regressive.

Religions define what a good life is, ways to live it, and answer those questions in terms of the afterlife. Hardly pointless questions.

Religions define what a good life is, ways to live it

Name an act of kindness, of goodness, that can only be done by a believer, and not by a non-believer.

How can you say that with a straight face when the most commonly practiced religions got the most basic moral questions wrong? Slavery, for one example. Punishing the most basic of "faults" with violent deaths, for another?

and answer those questions in terms of the afterlife

What afterlife?

This conversation is going to go well.

Name an act of kindness, of goodness, that can only be done by a believer, and not by a non-believer.

You missed his point completely. It is religions that define and create the concepts of kindness and goodness.


How can you say that with a straight face when the most commonly practiced religions got the most basic moral questions wrong? Slavery, for one example. Punishing the most basic of "faults" with violent deaths, for another?

Heh. Slavery is not a religious concept. PERHAPS Islam enshrines it but I know of no other.

Testiclaw wrote:Name an act of kindness, of goodness, that can only be done by a believer, and not by a non-believer.

Religions provide a context for why acts are good. That's hardly pointless.

Testiclaw wrote:How can you say that with a straight face when the most commonly practiced religions got the most basic moral questions wrong? Slavery, for one example. Punishing the most basic of "faults" with violent deaths, for another?

A stupid premise. First, slavery and violent death exist outside of religions. Second, many of the early Christians were slaves and put to a violent death. Religions aren't perfect, but the major ones generally accept that life isn't fair and often sucks.

Testiclaw wrote:What afterlife?

You're the one calling religion pointless-- prove that the afterlife doesn't exist.

Bud Charniga's grape ape wrote:This conversation is going to go well.

Any argument of morals or a "good life" stemming from religion is lost as soon as one examines the texts of said religions. It's a losing position to argue, and it always has been.

The afterlife is a weaker argument: the tenets of religion can be examined, but, the notion of an afterlife has zero bearing in modern knowledge. There simply isn't a reason, or evidence, to believe it -certainly not enough to warrant an adult conversation on the behavior we need to follow here, on Earth, during life, in order to be rewarded or "live on" in an afterlife.

It's a primitive tale by a primitive religion by primitive people, for primitive people.

Life becomes much more beautiful, much more important, when you accept that it's the only life you have.

Damn I keep getting my aliases confused.

Testiclaw wrote:
It's a primitive tale by a primitive religion by primitive people, for primitive people.

Life becomes much more beautiful, much more important, when you accept that it's the only life you have.

Homer, Bach and Mozart were primitive people writing for other primitive people?

Please name the greatest atheist poet or writer.

It is religions that define and create the concepts of kindness and goodness.

Slavery is good?

Genocide is good?

I don't think they are, why do religions accept them?

Slavery is not a religious concept. PERHAPS Islam enshrines it but I know of no other.

You aren't aware of any text relating to slavery in the Old or New testament? You have reading to do.

Religions provide a context for why acts are good. That's hardly pointless.

An afterlife?

First, slavery and violent death exist outside of religions.

This is true. Very true, indeed. But, if religion is the way of good, why do they accept, or even promote, slavery at all? Shouldn't religion -the word of God, be held to higher standards than us heathens?

prove that the afterlife doesn't exist.

Claims made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. Where's your reasoning for it existing in the first place?

bennyonesix wrote:

Testiclaw wrote:
It's a primitive tale by a primitive religion by primitive people, for primitive people.

Life becomes much more beautiful, much more important, when you accept that it's the only life you have.

Homer, Bach and Mozart were primitive people writing for other primitive people?

Please name the greatest atheist poet or writer.

Homer, Bach, and Mozart didn't write the Bible.

Testiclaw wrote:The afterlife is a weaker argument: the tenets of religion can be examined, but, the notion of an afterlife has zero bearing in modern knowledge. There simply isn't a reason, or evidence, to believe it -certainly not enough to warrant an adult conversation on the behavior we need to follow here, on Earth, during life, in order to be rewarded or "live on" in an afterlife.

Literally billions of adults believe in an afterlife-- don't give up this opportunity to educate us.

Turdacious wrote:

Testiclaw wrote:The afterlife is a weaker argument: the tenets of religion can be examined, but, the notion of an afterlife has zero bearing in modern knowledge. There simply isn't a reason, or evidence, to believe it -certainly not enough to warrant an adult conversation on the behavior we need to follow here, on Earth, during life, in order to be rewarded or "live on" in an afterlife.

Literally billions of adults believe in an afterlife-- don't give up this opportunity to educate us.

Millions of people believe they've seen Elvis.

I assume you firmly believe he is alive and well, by the same standard? People believe it?

I'm still waiting for an argument.

Testiclaw wrote:

It is religions that define and create the concepts of kindness and goodness.

Slavery is good?

Genocide is good?

I don't think they are, why do religions accept them?

Slavery is not a religious concept. PERHAPS Islam enshrines it but I know of no other.

You aren't aware of any text relating to slavery in the Old or New testament? You have reading to do.

Religions provide a context for why acts are good. That's hardly pointless.

An afterlife?

First, slavery and violent death exist outside of religions.

This is true. Very true, indeed. But, if religion is the way of good, why do they accept, or even promote, slavery at all? Shouldn't religion -the word of God, be held to higher standards than us heathens?

prove that the afterlife doesn't exist.

Claims made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. Where's your reasoning for it existing in the first place?

Holy shit you are deeply stupid on this issue. At first I thought you were missing the point but now it is clear you are dodging and in way over your head.

The very concepts EXIST because of religion. They were created by religions and have meaning only in the context of religions.

Slavery is not authorized or encouraged by any religion I know of other than PERHAPS Islam. Name a religious document that authorizes or approves of slavery.

Testiclaw wrote:

bennyonesix wrote:

Testiclaw wrote:
It's a primitive tale by a primitive religion by primitive people, for primitive people.

Life becomes much more beautiful, much more important, when you accept that it's the only life you have.

Homer, Bach and Mozart were primitive people writing for other primitive people?

Please name the greatest atheist poet or writer.

Homer, Bach, and Mozart didn't write the Bible.

Maybe you are as stupid as I think you are on this issue. Homer, Bach and Mozart all believed in religion and an afterlife.

Testiclaw wrote:

Turdacious wrote:

Testiclaw wrote:The afterlife is a weaker argument: the tenets of religion can be examined, but, the notion of an afterlife has zero bearing in modern knowledge. There simply isn't a reason, or evidence, to believe it -certainly not enough to warrant an adult conversation on the behavior we need to follow here, on Earth, during life, in order to be rewarded or "live on" in an afterlife.

Literally billions of adults believe in an afterlife-- don't give up this opportunity to educate us.

Millions of people believe they've seen Elvis.

I assume you firmly believe he is alive and well, by the same standard? People believe it?

I'm still waiting for an argument.

You're comparing a belief in a higher power to a belief that Elvis is alive, yet want to have an adult conversation? Actually having one might be a blow to your sense of superiority-- I advise you against it.

The very concepts EXIST because of religion. They were created by religions and have meaning only in the context of religions.

Really? So, for several hundred thousand years Homo Sapiens killed and raped and stole, until about two-thousand years ago?

When Moses wandered the desert for forty days and forty nights they killed and raped and stole from each other, until they got to the burning bush and realized it was wrong?

Name a religious document that authorizes or approves of slavery.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Slavery_in_the_Bible

You're not even trying.