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Monica Crowley - Plagiarizer

Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2017 9:50 pm
by nafod
Maybe she helped write Melania's plagiarized speech?
Conservative author and television personality Monica Crowley, whom Donald Trump has tapped for a top national security communications role, plagiarized large sections of her 2012 book, a CNN KFile review has found.

The review of Crowley’s June 2012 book, "What The (Bleep) Just Happened," found upwards of 50 examples of plagiarism from numerous sources, including the copying with minor changes of news articles, other columnists, think tanks, and Wikipedia. The New York Times bestseller, published by the HarperCollins imprint Broadside Books, contains no notes or bibliography.
Crowley did not return a request for comment. A spokesperson for HarperCollins told CNN on Sunday: "We have no comment at this time. We are looking into the matter."
http://money.cnn.com/interactive/news/k ... 2012-book/

Some laughably obvious examples. She didn't even try to hide them. WTF?

Re: Monica Crowley - Plagiarizer

Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2017 10:40 pm
by DrDonkeyLove
This one disappoints me.

Re: Monica Crowley - Plagiarizer

Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 12:09 am
by Turdacious
nafod wrote:Maybe she helped write Melania's plagiarized speech?
I still can't believe she plagarized Rick Astley. The horror!

Re: Monica Crowley - Plagiarizer

Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 12:23 am
by dead man walking
she was also accused of plagiarizing back in 1999.
In a 1999 piece for Slate, Timothy Noah wrote about how a Wall Street Journal column by Crowley strongly
resembled a 1988 article in Commentary. At the time the Journal ran an editor’s note: “Had we known
of the parallels, we would not have published the article.” Despite the striking similarities between
her piece and the 1988 article, Crowley vehemently denied to Noah that she had plagiarized:
"I did not plagiarize. Absolutely not."
from Slate a day or three ago

Re: Monica Crowley - Plagiarizer

Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 12:51 am
by Turdacious
I have a hard time believing a cable news personality isn't a deep, original thinker.

Re: Monica Crowley - Plagiarizer

Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 1:09 am
by nafod
What is odd is, she's got a PhD from Columbia, she knows the right way to do it. I guess she just figured no one would give a shit if she stole other people's work without attribution. Or maybe she was worried it would make her look elite.

Now we find out if she is right.

Re: Monica Crowley - Plagiarizer

Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 1:39 am
by Turdacious
nafod wrote:What is odd is, she's got a PhD from Columbia.
It's not a technical PhD even in the liberal arts sense. For all we know, she 'wrote' the book the same way JFK 'wrote' Profiles in Courage.

Re: Monica Crowley - Plagiarizer

Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 2:01 am
by Grandpa's Spells
I'm a bit relieved we are running into facts that aren't open to reinterpretation or dispute.

Re: Monica Crowley - Plagiarizer

Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 2:23 am
by Grandpa's Spells
nafod wrote:What is odd is, she's got a PhD from Columbia, she knows the right way to do it.
Apparently she doesn't. I think her degree can be revoked, which would be not a great look.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/ ... bia-214612

Re: Monica Crowley - Plagiarizer

Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 4:25 am
by Turdacious
Grandpa's Spells wrote:
nafod wrote:What is odd is, she's got a PhD from Columbia, she knows the right way to do it.
Apparently she doesn't. I think her degree can be revoked, which would be not a great look.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/ ... bia-214612
There's as much risk for Columbia is there is for Crowley. Crowley can at least go on tour with Amy Schumer.

Re: Monica Crowley - Plagiarizer

Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 1:33 pm
by nafod
Turdacious wrote:
Grandpa's Spells wrote:
nafod wrote:What is odd is, she's got a PhD from Columbia, she knows the right way to do it.
Apparently she doesn't. I think her degree can be revoked, which would be not a great look.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/ ... bia-214612
There's as much risk for Columbia is there is for Crowley. Crowley can at least go on tour with Amy Schumer.
DOH!

WTF, thesis advisor?

Re: Monica Crowley - Plagiarizer

Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 2:58 pm
by Turdacious
nafod wrote:
Turdacious wrote:
Grandpa's Spells wrote:
nafod wrote:What is odd is, she's got a PhD from Columbia, she knows the right way to do it.
Apparently she doesn't. I think her degree can be revoked, which would be not a great look.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/ ... bia-214612
There's as much risk for Columbia is there is for Crowley. Crowley can at least go on tour with Amy Schumer.
DOH!

WTF, thesis advisor?
There's never just one and politically motivated sleuths will check.

Besides, you've done staff time, plagiarism and non attribution are the rule not the exception. NTTAWWT.

Re: Monica Crowley - Plagiarizer

Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 3:25 pm
by Grandpa's Spells
Turdacious wrote:Besides, you've done staff time, plagiarism and non attribution are the rule not the exception. NTTAWWT.
What are you basing this on?

Re: Monica Crowley - Plagiarizer

Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 3:42 pm
by johno
I blame her low wage ghost writer.

Re: Monica Crowley - Plagiarizer

Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 3:46 pm
by nafod
Sounds more like a graduate of "Slippery Rock" than Columbia. Heh

(Apologies to any Slippery Rock grads)

Re: Monica Crowley - Plagiarizer

Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 4:12 pm
by dead man walking
Grandpa's Spells wrote:
Turdacious wrote:Besides, you've done staff time, plagiarism and non attribution are the rule not the exception. NTTAWWT.
What are you basing this on?
cut and paste is an element in internal memos. there may be some attribution, but if the point is to capture current thinking on an issue for a relatively narrow circle of people, original thought and footnotes aren't required.

that's my take. turd may be referring to something else.

ps, did he or didn't he?

Re: Monica Crowley - Plagiarizer

Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 4:22 pm
by Grandpa's Spells
dead man walking wrote:
Grandpa's Spells wrote:
Turdacious wrote:Besides, you've done staff time, plagiarism and non attribution are the rule not the exception. NTTAWWT.
What are you basing this on?
cut and paste is an element in internal memos. there may be some attribution, but if the point is to capture current thinking on an issue for a relatively narrow circle of people, original thought and footnotes aren't required.
Oh, I thought he meant books/dissertations, where the ease of getting caught has gone up a fair bit.

Re: Monica Crowley - Plagiarizer

Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 4:32 pm
by Turdacious
dead man walking wrote:
Grandpa's Spells wrote:
Turdacious wrote:Besides, you've done staff time, plagiarism and non attribution are the rule not the exception. NTTAWWT.
What are you basing this on?
cut and paste is an element in internal memos. there may be some attribution, but if the point is to capture current thinking on an issue for a relatively narrow circle of people, original thought and footnotes aren't required.

that's my take. turd may be referring to something else.

ps, did he or didn't he?
Pretty much. The chances of getting an academic position with an IR PhD without practical experience is pretty low, and the IR PhD doesn't help in getting diplomatic jobs (it might actually hurt). With non-technical PhDs like this, Columbia's little more than a degree mill. https://www.washingtonpost.com/postever ... 3e6c0ae951

Since dissertations are generally public records, it wouldn't be hard for somebody politically motivated to run through dissertations from that era with modern anti-plagarism programs. I doubt Columbia or any of the other Ivies with degrees like this will like the results.

Re: Monica Crowley - Plagiarizer

Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 5:17 pm
by Turdacious
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Re: Monica Crowley - Plagiarizer

Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 9:35 pm
by dead man walking
he did. he must have, don't you think?

what other explanation is there?

Re: Monica Crowley - Plagiarizer

Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2017 6:56 pm
by Grandpa's Spells
She's out. There may be a spot on Melania's speechwriting team, though.

Re: Monica Crowley - Plagiarizer

Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2017 7:22 pm
by Turdacious
nafod wrote:Sounds more like a graduate of "Slippery Rock" than Columbia. Heh

(Apologies to any Slippery Rock grads)
Elite schools aren't completely immune to competition. They don't have to worry about filling their desks with warm bodies, but their "brand" depends on getting the students with the best measurable credentials. One way the Ivies and other elite schools secure their students' highly marketable brand of excellence is through shameless grade inflation. The typical grade is some form of an A.

A few years ago, Princeton attempted to buck this trend and develop a reputation for rigor by enacting grading reform that reduced the number of As to around 35%. It seemed to be a brilliant move: Princeton could boast that it was a little bit more demanding, and its students would have the benefit of having the reputation of surviving the "tough" Ivy. But the reform backfired: The admissions folks at the other Ivies started to warn the best and the brightest that they might be tarred with the stigma of Bs if they went to Princeton, and Princeton started to struggle in the competitive marketplace. So Princeton rather quickly caved, and has since gone the other direction. The administration recently announced that it may well do away with or radically deemphasize grades, at least for freshmen, as a way to reduce student stress.

Grade inflation is a sensitive subject among Ivy-League students. They argue that they are exceptionally good students and so deserve exceptionally high grades. Few of the highly competent people at such schools want to be rigorously compared with one another; the result might be an unfair reputation for mediocrity. In the end, despite or because of the well-known grade inflation, graduates can still enter the global competitive marketplace quite successfully with the impression of excellence maintained.

For elite schools, grades don't measure the basic competence required for the marketplace, although they might distinguish between ordinary and soaring excellence. But their grade-inflation scam affects almost all other colleges and universities, and similar grade inflation in less-selective colleges has a far more insidious effect. Nobody really believes that being admitted to these colleges is a sure sign of competence, so earning inflated grades there really isn't either. But if professors deviate too much from the Harvard grading pattern, then their competent, accomplished students will be doubly disadvantaged. It might actually be harder to get an A at, say, Hampden-Sydney than it is at Harvard, but nobody is likely to believe that. So it becomes increasingly difficult to show that graduates from less-selective colleges are competent. The fact that they often are not makes it even harder.
http://www.nationalaffairs.com/publicat ... -education

Re: Monica Crowley - Plagiarizer

Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2017 7:56 pm
by nafod
They argue that they are exceptionally good students and so deserve exceptionally high grades.
Blehh...

As I told my guys when debriefing fitness reports, somebody on the Blue Angels has to be ranked #6 of 6.

Re: Monica Crowley - Plagiarizer

Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2017 8:20 pm
by Grandpa's Spells
nafod wrote:
They argue that they are exceptionally good students and so deserve exceptionally high grades.
Blehh...

As I told my guys when debriefing fitness reports, somebody on the Blue Angels has to be ranked #6 of 6.
The reality of high-end schools is a little different. I've had looong talks with a friend who's a product of these schools, and my wife's (top 5) b-school program grades harder but didn't make transcripts available to recruiters. There are some good reasons for what they do, and the real filters of your stars and fuckups are very readily apparent to employers and grad program admissions people, who are super aggressive. The systems they use are a lot more effective than GPA.

Edit: none of this has anything to do with Crowley. Nobody goes to bat for a serial plagiarist, ever.

Re: Monica Crowley - Plagiarizer

Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2017 12:20 am
by bennyonesix
Jfc is there any part of the neoliberal system you don't fucking shill for?

Gays, trannys, minorities, elite higher ed.

Do you think high finance has very good reasons for what they do and really contribute to our prosperity?