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Communities have had to endure tragedies like this too many times," he continued. "Once again, innocent people were killed in part because someone who wanted to inflict harm had no trouble getting their hands on a gun. ... We as a country will have to reckon with the fact that this type of mass violence does not happen in other advanced countries."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/1 ... 13074.html

Pres. Obama chooses to immediately use this tragedy to push European style gun control. He could have promoted national unity at the horror of this hate crime, but NO.

Divisive and despicable.

Promoting the disarming of all citizens, law-abiding citizens and criminals alike is never the answer. And when a politician or a leader pipes-up about that horse puckey, in response to a tragedy like this, it's nothing more than using human misery as currency to push an agenda, and I agree, it's despicable.

Nobody ever focuses on The Problem. Ever. Instead of getting to the bottom of why shit like this happens, they opt to discuss taking people's guns away. It's bullshit. If the perpetrators of this crime didn't have guns, they probably would have opted to burn the church down, with everyone in it, instead.

The weapons are never the problem. Ever.

OK, and now I see FB stuff about how "if the victims had only had a gun." I'd like to give all of it a rest for a few days.

I did chuckle at HuffPosts taking the time to mention that the FBI, US Attorney etc were all going to come on down and try and figure out if it was a hate crime... I hope they put their best and brightest on that one...

Kenny X wrote:Promoting the disarming of all citizens, law-abiding citizens and criminals alike is never the answer.

Strawman, yo. Haven't heard him advocate for the disarmament of all citizens.

And when a politician or a leader pipes-up about that horse puckey, in response to a tragedy like this, it's nothing more than using human misery as currency to push an agenda, and I agree, it's despicable.

Booshit. Advocating for policy in the wake of a tragedy is standard. Guns don't get an exception.

Nobody ever focuses on The Problem. Ever.

What do you think the problem is?

Instead of getting to the bottom of why shit like this happens, they opt to discuss taking people's guns away. It's bullshit. If the perpetrators of this crime didn't have guns, they probably would have opted to burn the church down, with everyone in it, instead.

Eh, no. Kids don't get killed by stray churches burning down, but they get killed by stray bullets. It's easier to outrun a fire than a bullet, too.

The weapons are never the problem. Ever.

This is a really silly thing to say without spelling out what the "real" problem is.

I'm not a lefty on this, and have been shopping firearms training as recently as this week. But acting like the ease of access to firearms by criminals and the mentally ill has absolutely nothing to do with this is obviously wrong.

He flat out lied to the American people, just now. Plain and simple. Mass killings happen globally. A part of the human condition, not "Murrikkas gun problem". These poor peoples' bodies aren't cold yet and he has politicized this tragedy. A time to lean on each other and somehow make it through? No, let's pick a political fight and add another sound bite to the socialist agenda.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rampage_killers

Kazuya Mishima wrote:A time to lean on each other and somehow make it through?

???

Seriously, were you surprised when this popped on the news? This shit happens all the damn time. I think folks are lean-on-each-other-and-make-through'd out.

Nine black people get shot by a white guy in church everyday? Really?

Grandpa's Spells wrote: I'm not a lefty on this, and have been shopping firearms training as recently as this week. But acting like the ease of access to firearms by criminals and the mentally ill has absolutely nothing to do with this is obviously wrong.

Should we start training gas station attendants for nutjob detection, too? Where there's a will there's a way and you take away the gun and you'll get some other weapon that'll get the job done. It is not a gun issue.

Those of you who are not from NYC might not remember Happyland: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_Land_fire

As far as ease of access of firearms to criminals, I think you know they're rarely purchased in gun stores/shows but they are vastly weapons that have been in the hands of mopes over and over.

The Venerable Bogatir X wrote:

Grandpa's Spells wrote: I'm not a lefty on this, and have been shopping firearms training as recently as this week. But acting like the ease of access to firearms by criminals and the mentally ill has absolutely nothing to do with this is obviously wrong.

Should we start training gas station attendants for nutjob detection, too?

They don't sell guns there, so no.

Where there's a will there's a way and you take away the gun and you'll get some other weapon that'll get the job done.

Data says otherwise. Unless the idea is that anything less than a reduction to zero is a failure, there are a lot of things that can be done to improve the situation.

Grandpa's Spells wrote: there are a lot of things that can be done to improve the situation.

Yes, like Stop, Question & Frisk.

My point is the reference to kids getting shot with stray bullets you made is not from guns sold legitimately. Certainly they were at some point, but you need to take away the guns from the mopes to solve that problem. The nutjobs like this dude, are a different matter, I don't disagree, but I also don't think tightening or restricting gun sales is the answer. Data (from your hometown of the Windy City or my hometown of NYC, also shows that tight gun laws do jack squat).

Now if some of those folks in church were armed............

Spells you suck.

This is an aesthetic issue for the Left.

Us white men dig our guns ergo guns bad and issue #1.

Keep pistols out of the hands of the brotherman and "gun problem" done.

But, white man w/gun = omgz our ids are on FIRE!!!! we must do something.

If the Left cared about senseless deaths they would make a bigger deal about drunks behind the wheel and the fact that we can operate out own cars... And the fact that hospitals kill waaaay more people than guns and that nursing homes are pre-death torture farms...

bennyonesix wrote:
If the Left cared about senseless deaths they would make a bigger deal about drunks behind the wheel and the fact that we can operate out own cars... And the fact that hospitals kill waaaay more people than guns and that nursing homes are pre-death torture farms...

Amen to that.

National stats as to youth gun homicides (assuming that there is no fudging of numbers lulz):



The Left is saying no guns because there are blacks here...

The Venerable Bogatir X wrote: Data (from your hometown of the Windy City or my hometown of NYC, also shows that tight gun laws do jack squat).

Not so, though the NRA tries very hard to portray it that way. Chicago homicides in 2014 hit something like a 40-year low. We aren't even on the radar for per-capita homicides, nor is NYC.

Unless "jack squat" means "not 100% successful, this isn't true.

Now if some of those folks in church were armed............

Now that's crazy talk.

Keep pistols out of the hands of the brotherman and "gun problem" done.

Holy fucking racist ass crazy talk, Batman.

Mass shooters, the subject of today, are overwhelmingly white males.

No dude, there is a black problem in this country.

They can't handle guns like feather indians can't handle alcohol.

White mass gun shootings are not a problem other than for the ids of the Left.

Grandpa's Spells wrote:Advocating for policy in the wake of a tragedy is standard. Guns don't get an exception.

Had these killings happened on Bush's watch, you wouldn't have objected if he had said, "If just one member of this congregation had been armed, this tragedy would have been averted?"

bennyonesix wrote:No dude, there is a black problem in this country.

Grandpa's Spells wrote:[
Not so, though the NRA tries very hard to portray it that way. Chicago homicides in 2014 hit something like a 40-year low.

You spin well. "Homicides" and "gun violence" are not one in the same.

I'm sure BET is a sounding board for the NRA:

http://www.bet.com/news/national/2015/0 ... rease.html

It makes me laugh when people assume that the racial stats as to crime are in any way accurate...

Try and find them and tell me there isn't at the least an orchestrated attempt to suppress the findings.

Hell, none of the demographic stats are close to accurate.

Degenerates on drugs...how did I know.

http://www.infowars.com/charleston-shoo ... outbursts/

Grandpa's Spells wrote:Chicago homicides in 2014 hit something like a 40-year low.

Did Chicago gun laws tighten up recently? NO.

On July 9, 2013, a bill to recognize Illinois gun owners’ right to carry concealed firearms was passed by both chambers of the state Legislature. Illinois became the last state in the nation to allow public possession of concealed guns.

Gun control advocates warned that high-crime areas, like Chicago, would only see more violence if residents were allowed to carry guns in public.

In reality, the opposite may be happening.

The Venerable Bogatir X wrote:

Grandpa's Spells wrote:[
Not so, though the NRA tries very hard to portray it that way. Chicago homicides in 2014 hit something like a 40-year low.

You spin well. "Homicides" and "gun violence" are not one in the same.

I'm sure BET is a sounding board for the NRA:

http://www.bet.com/news/national/2015/0 ... rease.html

Your source isn't contradicting any long term trend. It points out the lower murders, while also pointing out an increase in total shootings from 2013 to 2014. One year. If there's a long-term trend on increased non-lethal shootings, I don't know of one, and have looked. But you'd expect them to track murders, and murders are way down.

Kazuya Mishima wrote:Degenerates on drugs...how did I know.

http://www.infowars.com/charleston-shoo ... outbursts/

Ummmm... I'm going to go ahead and wait for another news source to rely on...

johno wrote:

Grandpa's Spells wrote:Chicago homicides in 2014 hit something like a 40-year low.

Did Chicago gun laws tighten up recently? NO.

On July 9, 2013, a bill to recognize Illinois gun owners’ right to carry concealed firearms was passed by both chambers of the state Legislature. Illinois became the last state in the nation to allow public possession of concealed guns.

Come on. You can't take credit for a 40 year decrease by passing legislation in the last year, especially when it took forever for permits to start being issued.