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The Most Persuasive Case for Eliminating Black Studies?
Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 9:40 am
by Protobuilder
If you had written this piece......you would have been thrown off the Chronicle's blog designed to represent a "range of intellectual and political views" and allow bloggers "broad freedom in topics and approach" in the same way that the author was.
However, if you read dissertation abstracts for most subjects, you could probably argue for the elimination of that disciple as well.
The Most Persuasive Case for Eliminating Black Studies? Just Read the Dissertations
You’ll have to forgive the lateness but I just got around to reading The Chronicle’s recent piece on the young guns of black studies. If ever there were a case for eliminating the discipline, the sidebar explaining some of the dissertations being offered by the best and the brightest of black-studies graduate students has made it. What a collection of left-wing victimization claptrap. The best that can be said of these topics is that they’re so irrelevant no one will ever look at them.
That’s what I would say about Ruth Hayes’ dissertation, “‘So I Could Be Easeful’: Black Women’s Authoritative Knowledge on Childbirth.” It began because she “noticed that nonwhite women’s experiences were largely absent from natural-birth literature, which led me to look into historical black midwifery.” How could we overlook the nonwhite experience in “natural birth literature,” whatever the heck that is? It’s scandalous and clearly a sign that racism is alive and well in America, not to mention academia.
Then there is Keeanga-Yamahtta Taylor, author of “Race for Profit: Black Housing and the Urban Crisis of the 1970s.” Ms. Taylor believes there was apparently some kind of conspiracy in the federal government’s promotion of single family homes in black neighborhoods after the unrest of the 1960s. Single family homes! The audacity! But Ms. Taylor sees that her issue is still relevant today. (Not much of a surprise since the entirety of black studies today seems to rest on the premise that nothing much has changed in this country in the past half century when it comes to race. Shhhh. Don’t tell them about the black president!) She explains that “The subprime lending crisis, if it did nothing else, highlighted the profitability of racism in the housing market.” The subprime lending crisis was about the profitability of racism? Those millions of white people who went into foreclosure were just collateral damage, I guess.
But topping the list in terms of sheer political partisanship and liberal hackery is La TaSha B. Levy. According to the Chronicle, “Ms. Levy is interested in examining the long tradition of black Republicanism, especially the rightward ideological shift it took in the 1980s after the election of Ronald Reagan. Ms. Levy’s dissertation argues that conservatives like Thomas Sowell, Clarence Thomas, John McWhorter, and others have ‘played one of the most-significant roles in the assault on the civil-rights legacy that benefited them.’” The assault on civil rights? Because they don’t favor affirmative action they are assaulting civil rights? Because they believe there are some fundamental problems in black culture that cannot be blamed on white people they are assaulting civil rights?
Seriously, folks, there are legitimate debates about the problems that plague the black community from high incarceration rates to low graduation rates to high out-of-wedlock birth rates. But it’s clear that they’re not happening in black-studies departments. If these young scholars are the future of the discipline, I think they can just as well leave their calendars at 1963 and let some legitimate scholars find solutions to the problems of blacks in America. Solutions that don’t begin and end with blame the white man.
Re: The Most Persuasive Case for Eliminating Black Studies?
Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 1:26 pm
by tough old man
I thought this was about Primatology and maybe Jane Goodall.
Re: The Most Persuasive Case for Eliminating Black Studies?
Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 1:56 pm
by Grandpa's Spells
This was an awkward story. Black Studies is mostly ridiculous victimology. OTOH, the author of that essay later acknowledged that she had not herself actually "read the dissertations."
Re: The Most Persuasive Case for Eliminating Black Studies?
Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 2:01 pm
by Kazuya Mishima
Black Studies is a money hustle...it's a way to suck off the teat of academia (read: our tax dollars, and the tuition paid by the majority of students engaged in useful studies toward legitimate career paths).
Blacks could be prospering quite well right now if they had embraced the blue collar professional jobs vacated by whites over the last twenty years...legions of black plumbers, mechanics, welders, draftsmen, and electricians. Instead, those with educational opportunities squandered it on sociology degrees, and the historically black colleges and universities continued their low rent version of copying what they see the white man doing. They had a seat at the table, but they decided to go outside and smoke for 30 years and their wetback cousins from the south gladly took their place. Fuck them all.
Re: The Most Persuasive Case for Eliminating Black Studies?
Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 2:03 pm
by powerlifter54
The Most Persuasive Case for Eliminating Black Studies?
Barrack Hussein Obama
Re: The Most Persuasive Case for Eliminating Black Studies?
Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 3:11 pm
by TerryB
If you look at the other Chronicle writers, its pretty clear someone writing an article like this is going to get voted off the island, ironic or not.
Re: The Most Persuasive Case for Eliminating Black Studies?
Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 3:32 pm
by Turdacious
Grandpa's Spells wrote:This was an awkward story. Black Studies is mostly ridiculous victimology. OTOH, the author of that essay later acknowledged that she had not herself actually "read the dissertations."
It shouldn't be necessary. You should be able to get the point of a non-technical dissertation from the introduction and conclusion. For all we know, the author could have been on the dissertation committee.
Do a test and spend some time on a university website-- with a little digging you'll see the dissertations. Most of them are pretty unimpressive, especially those that aren't done in a technical discipline.
Re: The Most Persuasive Case for Eliminating Black Studies?
Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 3:40 pm
by buckethead
Help me out, is "Black Studies" a major in colleges? Is it paid for by the students? Is there a difference in administering the discipline than, say, "Art History"? I don't disagree the dissertations may be useless, but how's that different from other college dissertations? What exactly is the beef here?
Re: The Most Persuasive Case for Eliminating Black Studies?
Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 3:56 pm
by Turdacious
BucketHead wrote:Help me out, is "Black Studies" a major in colleges? Is it paid for by the students? Is there a difference in administering the discipline than, say, "Art History"? I don't disagree the dissertations may be useless, but how's that different from other college dissertations? What exactly is the beef here?
Is it a major? Yes-- tenure track.
http://www.gradschools.com/search-progr ... an-studies
Paid for by student loans. Yes.
Admin compared to Art History-- get deeper perspective from Art History.
Most dissertations are worthless on their face honestly. However, if done right, they give PhD's a chance to demonstrate mastery of research methods, technical writing, data analysis, and knowledge of what's been done in the field. IMO a lot of them don't demonstrate this, and in new disciplines, there may not be a lot of strong work that is worth really understanding.
Pinky can probably correct me on this if I'm wrong-- but I believe that PhD programs are also expensive (and not just because the demands on professors of mentoring one PhD student is relatively high compared to teach a masters or undergrad level class-- and generally only tenure track professors can mentor a student doing anything that requires a high level of independent study).
Re: The Most Persuasive Case for Eliminating Black Studies?
Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 4:17 pm
by buckethead
So Turd and I agree. The only "case" here is not liking the subject matter of a college program.
Re: The Most Persuasive Case for Eliminating Black Studies?
Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 4:32 pm
by nafod
BucketHead wrote:Help me out, is "Black Studies" a major in colleges? Is it paid for by the students?
It is a major at some schools. Students only pay part of their total education cost, with the state picking up the rest. Unless you are going out of state.
Re: The Most Persuasive Case for Eliminating Black Studies?
Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 5:34 pm
by Kazuya Mishima
BucketHead wrote:So Turd and I agree. The only "case" here is not liking the subject matter of a college program.
IMO, it goes deeper than that...blacks complaining for decades about lack of opportunity, and you see them squandering opportunity left and right. Getting sucked into a "black studies" program as opposed to pursuing one's education in accounting, engineering, banking, medicine, skilled trade school, etc.
No, those career paths won't fix social and economic standing...we need minds sucked into the task of studying black midwivery in order to undue decades of harm.
Re: The Most Persuasive Case for Eliminating Black Studies?
Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 5:44 pm
by Turdacious
Kazuya Mishima wrote:BucketHead wrote:So Turd and I agree. The only "case" here is not liking the subject matter of a college program.
IMO, it goes deeper than that...blacks complaining for decades about lack of opportunity, and you see them squandering opportunity left and right. Getting sucked into a "black studies" program as opposed to pursuing one's education in accounting, engineering, banking, medicine, skilled trade school, etc.
No, those career paths won't fix social and economic standing...we need minds sucked into the task of studying black midwivery in order to undue decades of harm.
Colleges say they are only responding to demand. Not demand from the job market-- but from impressionable students with no experience in the job market. And a degree like this doesn't necessarily help you in the job market in the way that a degree in history or political science (where you could study exactly the same thing FWIW) would. Colleges are taking advantage of students while expanding the size of their faculties.
Re: The Most Persuasive Case for Eliminating Black Studies?
Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 6:14 pm
by Andy83
powerlifter54 wrote:
The Most Persuasive Case for Eliminating Black Studies?
Barrack Hussein Obama
Plus 10
Re: The Most Persuasive Case for Eliminating Black Studies?
Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 6:25 pm
by Fat Cat
If black people want parity with whites in wasting their money on useless degrees, I am totally fine with that.
Re: The Most Persuasive Case for Eliminating Black Studies?
Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 6:37 pm
by Turdacious
Fat Cat wrote:If black people want parity with whites in wasting their money on useless degrees, I am totally fine with that.
Are you ok with state funded universities lying (both explicitly and implicitly) about the benefits of their degrees to impressionable and inexperienced students?
Re: The Most Persuasive Case for Eliminating Black Studies?
Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 7:38 pm
by Fat Cat
I don't know, give me an example of what you are talking about.
Re: The Most Persuasive Case for Eliminating Black Studies?
Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 8:47 pm
by Pinky
The problem with any "fill-in-the-blank studies" degree is that the discipline is a hodgepodge of whatever is convenient from the social sciences and humanities. You end up with a half-assed view of some part of history, combined with a twisted version of something out of sociology, sprinkled with the Oprah version of a theory from psychology. Majors in these departments know less than a good major in history, sociology, etc.; and the returns to a history degree are already not that high.
Re: The Most Persuasive Case for Eliminating Black Studies?
Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 8:58 pm
by Turdacious
Fat Cat wrote:I don't know, give me an example of what you are talking about.
http://www9.georgetown.edu/grad/gppi/hp ... alwork.pdf
Colleges do with graduation returns what the banks did with subprime mortgages. Mix them all together and sell them as AAA.
Re: The Most Persuasive Case for Eliminating Black Studies?
Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 9:12 pm
by Fat Cat
Can't really see what you are getting at, as usual. They are hardly the only business that inflates the value of their product, and LOL at $29,000 a year being enticing.
Re: The Most Persuasive Case for Eliminating Black Studies?
Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 11:55 pm
by cleaner464
A bunch of fearful, racist white folks don't like black studies? How surprising.
You should make it a topic for your next meeting.

Re: The Most Persuasive Case for Eliminating Black Studies?
Posted: Wed May 23, 2012 12:03 am
by Fat Cat
That's hot.
Re: The Most Persuasive Case for Eliminating Black Studies?
Posted: Wed May 23, 2012 1:34 am
by Turdacious
Fat Cat wrote:Can't really see what you are getting at, as usual. They are hardly the only business that inflates the value of their product, and LOL at $29,000 a year being enticing.
My point exactly. But ripping off impressionable teenagers, and making no effort to improve the product so it's more competitive is Madoffish.
Re: The Most Persuasive Case for Eliminating Black Studies?
Posted: Wed May 23, 2012 9:36 am
by Thatcher II
Poor article and the usual watery group-think follow-on comments from the IGx brigade. The idea that the black experience in natural childbirth might have been overlooked and is worthy of examination is precisely the sort of idea that suits a dissertation. There is no critical analysis or counter-point in the article. Instead, it's emotive hyperbole. Lapped up here.
Romanticising blue collar jobs and decrying academic pursuit for lack of real-world application is a strong theme here. As is mixing in a bit of gratuitous "fuck blacks" speak. Doesn't it all get tiresome? Isn't it all quite embarrassing?
Re: The Most Persuasive Case for Eliminating Black Studies?
Posted: Wed May 23, 2012 9:53 am
by Protobuilder
Gorbachev wrote:Poor article and the usual watery group-think follow-on comments from the IGx brigade. The idea that the black experience in natural childbirth might have been overlooked and is worthy of examination is precisely the sort of idea that suits a dissertation. There is no critical analysis or counter-point in the article. Instead, it's emotive hyperbole. Lapped up here.
Romanticising blue collar jobs and decrying academic pursuit for lack of real-world application is a strong theme here. As is mixing in a bit of gratuitous "fuck blacks" speak. Doesn't it all get tiresome? Isn't it all quite embarrassing?
Dissertations rarely apply to more than a handful of people - generally the folks listening to the defense are the only people who are really interested. It is tossing an author off a blog dedicated to a range of intellectual and political views and the round of apologies that is most interesting.