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Re-thinking Placebo
Posted: Sun Mar 01, 2015 2:33 pm
by buckethead
And the authors are the first to say that “another error of judgment is the lack of clarity of the concept of placebo itself.” They conclude bluntly “that the literature relative to the magnitude and frequency of the placebo effect is unfounded and grossly overestimated, if not entirely false.” Finally, they raise the question of whether the very existence of the so-called placebo effect “is not in fact largely or totally illusory.”
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/pla ... you-there/
Re: Re-thinking Placebo
Posted: Sun Mar 01, 2015 2:48 pm
by buckethead
The authors of a recent study (Finiss et al., 2010) clarify this issue perfectly when they write, “For many years, placebos have been defined by their inert content and their use as controls in clinical trials and treatments in clinical practice. Recent research shows that placebo effects are genuine psychobiological events attributable to the overall therapeutic context, and that these effects can be robust in both laboratory and clinical settings. There is also evidence that placebo effects can exist in clinical practice, even if no placebo is given. Further promotion and integration of laboratory and clinical research will allow advances in the ethical use of placebo mechanisms that are inherent in routine clinical care, and encourage the use of treatments that stimulate placebo effects.”
Re: Re-thinking Placebo
Posted: Sun Mar 01, 2015 4:20 pm
by Shafpocalypse Now
This mirrors my own personal experience. I have never encountered the "placebo effect" in anything I've tried...i.e. snake oil supplements that I believed at the time would work.
Re: Re-thinking Placebo
Posted: Sun Mar 01, 2015 7:17 pm
by Sangoma
Nevertheless, the placebo object or contextual effect do exist, and there is a potential for its use, at least in some situations. Too bad they cling to the reductionist approach - for instance, it's endogenous opioids that reduce pain with placebo. While the whole field, mind-body interventional medicine, is opening right in front of our eyes. The potential is significant. Though I don't think it is feasible to study the latter with the traditional scientific methods.
Re: Re-thinking Placebo
Posted: Sun Mar 01, 2015 8:31 pm
by buckethead
Smet wrote:Nevertheless, the placebo object or contextual effect do exist, and there is a potential for its use, at least in some situations. Too bad they cling to the reductionist approach - for instance, it's endogenous opioids that reduce pain with placebo. While the whole field, mind-body interventional medicine, is opening right in front of our eyes. The potential is significant. Though I don't think it is feasible to study the latter with the traditional scientific methods.
Nice job not reading the article. Or even this whole thread
Re: Re-thinking Placebo
Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2015 1:49 am
by milosz
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Man, I never saw the video for this. Nothing could be gayer or more British outside of sucking Winston Churchill's cock.
Re: Re-thinking Placebo
Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2015 3:07 am
by Sangoma
buckethead wrote:Smet wrote:Nevertheless, the placebo object or contextual effect do exist, and there is a potential for its use, at least in some situations. Too bad they cling to the reductionist approach - for instance, it's endogenous opioids that reduce pain with placebo. While the whole field, mind-body interventional medicine, is opening right in front of our eyes. The potential is significant. Though I don't think it is feasible to study the latter with the traditional scientific methods.
Nice job not reading the article. Or even this whole thread
I did read the article, all of it. What am I getting wrong?
Edit: Uhm, got it. That paragraph got lost behind the bulk of the article, which debunks the placebo effect. Or the effect of the placebo.
Re: Re-thinking Placebo
Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2015 4:07 pm
by Turdacious
Re: Re-thinking Placebo
Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2015 4:50 pm
by TerryB
Shafpocalypse Now wrote:This mirrors my own personal experience. I have never encountered the "placebo effect" in anything I've tried...i.e. snake oil supplements that I believed at the time would work.
All it's saying is, doctor's should consider manipulating people that are easily manipulated.
Re: Re-thinking Placebo
Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2015 5:00 pm
by Turdacious
T>1200 wrote:Shafpocalypse Now wrote:This mirrors my own personal experience. I have never encountered the "placebo effect" in anything I've tried...i.e. snake oil supplements that I believed at the time would work.
All it's saying is, doctor's should consider manipulating people that are easily manipulated.
They already do. It's why the AMA spends so much money and effort lobbying.
Re: Re-thinking Placebo
Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2015 8:08 pm
by WildGorillaMan