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Repugs Epic Fail in WA.

Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 5:16 am
by Blaidd Drwg
Libertarians Sue to Have Romney Kicked Off Washington Ballot
Posted by Goldy on Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 4:09 PM

As I first reported some weeks back, the Washington State Republican Party's failure to nominate a candidate for US Senate in 2010 appears to have cost them "major party" status under the letter of RCW 29A.04.086. This failure should in turn have required Mitt Romney to qualify for Washington's presidential ballot under rules and deadlines applied to "minor parties," a deadline that has long since passed.

Today the Libertarian Party of Washington State filed suit (PDF) to have Romney's name removed from the November ballot:

The suit seeks an order declaring that the Washington State Republican Party is “minor party” for purposes of the 2012 general election and directing the Secretary of State to issue ballots for the November election that do not contain the printed name of any Republican Party nominee.

Secretary of State Sam Reed's office responds that the Republicans retain major party status under WAC 434-208-130:

(1) For purposes of RCW 29A.04.086, "major political party" means a political party whose nominees for president and vice-president received at least five percent of the total votes cast for that office at the last preceding presidential election. A political party that qualifies as a major political party retains such status until the next presidential election at which the presidential and vice-presidential nominees of that party do not receive at least five percent of the votes cast.

Okay. Clear enough. But that's not what RCW 29A.04.086 actually says:

"Major political party" means a political party of which at least one nominee for president, vice president, United States senator, or a statewide office received at least five percent of the total vote cast at the last preceding state general election in an even-numbered year. A political party qualifying as a major political party under this section retains such status until the next even-year election at which a candidate of that party does not achieve at least five percent of the vote for one of the previously specified offices.

US Senate was the only applicable race in 2010, the preceding even-numbered year election, and for internal political reasons (both Dino Rossi and Clint Didier were afraid they would lose the state convention vote) the Republicans declined to officially nominate a candidate. In their suit, the Libertarian's accuse Reed of attempting to give the Republicans a "free pass," arguing that under established precedent "a WAC regulation cannot modify or alter a statute by interpretation." The Secretary of State's office requested legislation in the previous session to amend the RCW to match the WAC's redefinition of party status, but that bill failed. Thus concludes the Libertarian suit:

The subject WAC regulation purporting to redefine “major” and “minor” parties is therefor unlawful. A WAC regulation cannot change the definitions for “major” and “minor” political parties set out in the statute. The Republican Party is a “minor” political party for the 2012 election cycle, and has failed to qualify any presidential nominee for the 2012 general election ballot.

I'm not a lawyer, but the letter of the law is clear. Under the definition of "major" and "minor" parties in the RCW, Romney has not qualified for the ballot. Not that I expect a court to have the balls to kick him off, but technically, the law is on the Libertarian's side.

Re: Repugs Epic Fail in WA.

Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 6:44 pm
by Pinky
Hilarious. Sadly, nothing will come of it.

Re: Repugs Epic Fail in WA.

Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 6:47 pm
by TerryB
what is the upside for them if they win their lawsuit? They have Romney taken off the ballot, 50% of the state hates them for it, and Obama wins their State. What's the point? If they succeed in doing this, they will not have one single friend in the Republican party EVER.

Re: Repugs Epic Fail in WA.

Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 6:49 pm
by Pinky
My guess is that they really want the law changed.

Re: Repugs Epic Fail in WA.

Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 6:52 pm
by Blaidd Drwg
protobuilder wrote:what is the upside for them if they win their lawsuit? They have Romney taken off the ballot, 50% of the state hates them for it, and Obama wins their State. What's the point? If they succeed in doing this, they will not have one single friend in the Republican party EVER.

The upside is libertarians will stage a much better election cycle this round. Libertarians do not need friends across the aisle because they aren't even in the chamber.

I think it's magnificent. Sadly, the courts will be completely nutless and will overtly say fuck you to the RCW at the drop of a hat.

Re: Repugs Epic Fail in WA.

Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 7:35 pm
by Turdacious
It's kind of hard to take the legal opinions of a non-lawyer calling himself Goldy seriously.

Re: Repugs Epic Fail in WA.

Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 7:40 pm
by Blaidd Drwg
Turdacious wrote:It's kind of hard to take the legal opinions of a non-lawyer calling himself Goldy seriously.
Nonetheless, read the statute and then the code. It's crystal clear.

Re: Repugs Epic Fail in WA.

Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 7:47 pm
by Turdacious
During the spring of 2010 there was speculation that Rossi might enter the 2010 Senate race to challenge incumbent Patty Murray. Rossi entered the race on May 26, 2010.[5] On August 17, 2010 Rossi defeated his Republican primary challengers, but lost to incumbent Senator Patty Murray (a Democrat) in the November 2 general election 47% to 52%.[6]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dino_Rossi
http://www.spokesman.com/elections/2010 ... n/results/

Not sure what I'm missing here.

Re: Repugs Epic Fail in WA.

Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 7:57 pm
by Blaidd Drwg
Turdacious wrote:
During the spring of 2010 there was speculation that Rossi might enter the 2010 Senate race to challenge incumbent Patty Murray. Rossi entered the race on May 26, 2010.[5] On August 17, 2010 Rossi defeated his Republican primary challengers, but lost to incumbent Senator Patty Murray (a Democrat) in the November 2 general election 47% to 52%.[6]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dino_Rossi
http://www.spokesman.com/elections/2010 ... n/results/

Not sure what I'm missing here.

He wasn't nominated by the party.
US Senate was the only applicable race in 2010, the preceding even-numbered year election, and for internal political reasons (both Dino Rossi and Clint Didier were afraid they would lose the state convention vote) the Republicans declined to officially nominate a candidate.

Re: Repugs Epic Fail in WA.

Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 9:11 pm
by Turdacious
I'm no lawyer, but that seems pretty thin for 'I'm not a lawyer but...'

Re: Repugs Epic Fail in WA.

Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 9:51 pm
by Blaidd Drwg
Turdacious wrote:I'm no lawyer, but that seems pretty thin for 'I'm not a lawyer but...'
Luckily, it doesn't matter that you are not a lawyer, because there are lawyers working on your behalf who can, like, read and stuff and also file lawsuits to prevent election fraud like allowing unqualified parties top billing on the ballot.


Case number in Thurston County is 12-2-01683-3.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/1 ... 93305.html

Re: Repugs Epic Fail in WA.

Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2012 3:38 am
by Turdacious
Blaidd Drwg wrote:
Turdacious wrote:I'm no lawyer, but that seems pretty thin for 'I'm not a lawyer but...'
Luckily, it doesn't matter that you are not a lawyer, because there are lawyers working on your behalf who can, like, read and stuff and also file lawsuits to prevent election fraud like allowing unqualified parties top billing on the ballot.
Since when do lawyers and laws follow common sense?

Re: Repugs Epic Fail in WA.

Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2012 3:59 am
by Blaidd Drwg
Turdacious wrote:
Blaidd Drwg wrote:
Turdacious wrote:I'm no lawyer, but that seems pretty thin for 'I'm not a lawyer but...'
Luckily, it doesn't matter that you are not a lawyer, because there are lawyers working on your behalf who can, like, read and stuff and also file lawsuits to prevent election fraud like allowing unqualified parties top billing on the ballot.
Since when do lawyers and laws follow common sense?

I know..So confusing parsing that legislative intent...poor repugs..who knew you had to read the law?

Re: Repugs Epic Fail in WA.

Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2012 7:15 am
by Chessman
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Gotta love the Libertarians. They should do everything they can to keep the other parties on their toes.

Re: Repugs Epic Fail in WA.

Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2012 2:21 pm
by Testiclaw
LOL at the "Libertarian" suggestion.

Re: Repugs Epic Fail in WA.

Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2012 2:08 am
by Sassenach
Glorious.

Re: Repugs Epic Fail in WA.

Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2012 2:51 am
by Turdacious
Blaidd Drwg wrote:
Turdacious wrote:
Blaidd Drwg wrote:
Turdacious wrote:I'm no lawyer, but that seems pretty thin for 'I'm not a lawyer but...'
Luckily, it doesn't matter that you are not a lawyer, because there are lawyers working on your behalf who can, like, read and stuff and also file lawsuits to prevent election fraud like allowing unqualified parties top billing on the ballot.
Since when do lawyers and laws follow common sense?

I know..So confusing parsing that legislative intent...poor repugs..who knew you had to read the law?
Bureaucratic intent > legislative intent. 99 times out of 100.

Re: Repugs Epic Fail in WA.

Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2012 2:53 am
by Blaidd Drwg
True, everywhere but Court.

Re: Repugs Epic Fail in WA.

Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2012 2:57 am
by Turdacious
Blaidd Drwg wrote:True, everywhere but Court.
That's why they have their own courts.

Re: Repugs Epic Fail in WA.

Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2012 3:43 am
by Blaidd Drwg
Turdacious wrote:
Blaidd Drwg wrote:True, everywhere but Court.
That's why they have their own courts.

Administrative courts are not separate from the judicial system. They are, in many property law cases (Coastal Zone, EPA, etc) the first route of appeal but they are not simply a dead end and all the same legal principles and case law apply.

Re: Repugs Epic Fail in WA.

Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2012 4:34 am
by Turdacious

Re: Repugs Epic Fail in WA.

Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2012 4:37 am
by Blaidd Drwg
Poorly played. As usual,out of your depth.

Re: Repugs Epic Fail in WA.

Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2012 4:48 am
by Turdacious
For years, the E.P.A. has invoked its authority under the Clean Water Act to issue so-called compliance orders declaring a site to be a wetland and requiring owners to stop construction or to restore the land. Property owners could not seek judicial review of these orders without taking other administrative steps like applying for permission from the Army Corps of Engineers to build on a wetland.

Wetlands have been accorded federal protection because of their role as natural incubators and as water-cleansing filters within larger ecosystems. The agency argued that compliance orders are crucial to its ability to step in and guard such areas from illegal development, and that immediate judicial review of these administrative actions would undermine the Clean Water Act.

But the couple bringing the case, Michael and Chantell Sackett, argued that they should be able to ask a court to rule immediately on an agency order that carries with it the threat of fines of $75,000 a day.

The Sacketts had sought a hearing with the E.P.A. but were denied one. They then sued for judicial review of the wetlands determination.

Justice Antonin Scalia, writing for the court, said, “There is no reason to think that the Clean Water Act was uniquely designed to enable the strong-arming of regulated parties into ‘voluntary compliance’ without the opportunity for judicial review.”
Nothing there discriminates against those without ridiculously deep pockets. Silly me.

Re: Repugs Epic Fail in WA.

Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2012 4:56 am
by Blaidd Drwg
Turdacious wrote:
For years, the E.P.A. has invoked its authority under the Clean Water Act to issue so-called compliance orders declaring a site to be a wetland and requiring owners to stop construction or to restore the land. Property owners could not seek judicial review of these orders without taking other administrative steps like applying for permission from the Army Corps of Engineers to build on a wetland.

Wetlands have been accorded federal protection because of their role as natural incubators and as water-cleansing filters within larger ecosystems. The agency argued that compliance orders are crucial to its ability to step in and guard such areas from illegal development, and that immediate judicial review of these administrative actions would undermine the Clean Water Act.

But the couple bringing the case, Michael and Chantell Sackett, argued that they should be able to ask a court to rule immediately on an agency order that carries with it the threat of fines of $75,000 a day.

The Sacketts had sought a hearing with the E.P.A. but were denied one. They then sued for judicial review of the wetlands determination.

Justice Antonin Scalia, writing for the court, said, “There is no reason to think that the Clean Water Act was uniquely designed to enable the strong-arming of regulated parties into ‘voluntary compliance’ without the opportunity for judicial review.”
Nothing there discriminates against those without ridiculously deep pockets. Silly me.

WTF are you blathering about? Maximum fines are set by law in the CWA. Further, like any other violation penalty they are subject to appeal.

None of this has anything to do with the separation or connectedness of administrative bodies to the larger judicial system.

Re: Repugs Epic Fail in WA.

Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2012 5:01 am
by Turdacious
You're telling me that the CWA, passed in 1972, mandated fines of $75000 a day?