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Swell - we're sending people to Libya and Yemen.

Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 1:04 am
by Gene
Sure hope that this isn't another "Beirut 1983". No ammo in weapons. Suck up the Arty.

If Obama gets another "Marine Barracks" massacre... well, fuck him if it happens.
9/14/12 1:09 PM

President Obama formally notifies lawmakers that he moved troops to Libya and Yemen:

"Although these security forces are equipped for combat, these movements have been undertaken solely for the purpose of protecting American citizens and property." he wrote in a letter Friday. "These security forces will remain in Libya and in Yemen until the security situation becomes such that they are no longer needed."

Full text:

TEXT OF A LETTER FROM THE PRESIDENT
TO THE SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
AND THE PRESIDENT PRO TEMPORE OF THE SENATE
September 14, 2012
Dear Mr. Speaker: (Dear Mr. President: )

On September 12, 2012, in response to an attack on our diplomatic post in Benghazi, Libya, that killed four U.S. citizens, including U.S. Ambassador John Christopher Stevens, a security force from the U.S. Africa Command deployed to Libya to support the security of U.S. personnel in Libya. Further, on September 13, an additional security force arrived in Yemen in response to security threats there.

Although these security forces are equipped for combat, these movements have been undertaken solely for the purpose of protecting American citizens and property. These security forces will remain in Libya and in Yemen until the security situation becomes such that they are no longer needed.

These actions have been directed consistent with my responsibility to protect U.S. citizens both at home and abroad, and in furtherance of U.S. national security and foreign policy interests, pursuant to my constitutional authority to conduct U.S. foreign relations and as Commander in Chief and Chief Executive.

I am providing this report as part of my efforts to keep the Congress fully informed, consistent with the War Powers Resolution (Public Law 93-148). I appreciate the support of the Congress in these actions.
Sincerely,
BARACK OBAMA
http://www.politico.com/politico44/whit ... moves.html

Re: Swell - we're sending people to Libya and Yemen.

Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 2:42 am
by kreator
How about we just close the embassies. They don't want to play nice, then pack up and leave - they can self-destruct.

Re: Swell - we're sending people to Libya and Yemen.

Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 2:49 am
by Turdacious
What's more humane-- nuclear bombs or weapon @ unl@ash@d on their goat populations?

Re: Swell - we're sending people to Libya and Yemen.

Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 3:03 am
by Gene
Turdacious wrote:What's more humane-- nuclear bombs or weapon @ unl@ash@d on their goat populations?
Were you born a stupid ignorant fuck or did you reach this peak of perfection through diligent practice and hard work?

Re: Swell - we're sending people to Libya and Yemen.

Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 4:45 am
by Yes, I'm drunk
Gene wrote:
Turdacious wrote:What's more humane-- nuclear bombs or weapon @ unl@ash@d on their goat populations?
Were you born a stupid ignorant fuck or did you reach this peak of perfection through diligent practice and hard work?
From 'his' posts, it appears to be a little bit of both.

Re: Swell - we're sending people to Libya and Yemen.

Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 4:50 am
by Protobuilder
kreator wrote:How about we just close the embassies. They don't want to play nice, then pack up and leave - they can self-destruct.
Close embassies and withhold any and all foreign aid.

Re: Swell - we're sending people to Libya and Yemen.

Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 6:48 am
by Damien
Terry B. wrote:
kreator wrote:How about we just close the embassies. They don't want to play nice, then pack up and leave - they can self-destruct.
Close embassies and withhold any and all foreign aid.
Trade embargo, no more diplomatic contact, no more financial aids.

Saves the US money and worries.

Re: Swell - we're sending people to Libya and Yemen.

Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 11:33 am
by TerryB
I think we should double down: open 3, 4, 5 embassies everytime they bomb one.

Re: Swell - we're sending people to Libya and Yemen.

Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 11:55 am
by nafod
kreator wrote:How about we just close the embassies. They don't want to play nice, then pack up and leave - they can self-destruct.
Because china and others will fill the gap. Our ability to influence things goes down, our direct competitor's goes up.

Re: Swell - we're sending people to Libya and Yemen.

Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 12:35 pm
by Thatcher II
The best way to defeat an enemy is to make him your friend. Cutting aid = bad. Withdrawing = bad. Don't give in. Stay. Overcome with strategy, not knee-jerk reaction.

There has never been a great empire that didn't collapse. Be mindful of this always. Be bold when necessary. Otherwise be cautious as your default. Prepare for the worst always. Lose the arrogance.

Re: Swell - we're sending people to Libya and Yemen.

Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 1:33 pm
by TerryB
An 11 year war is obviously.

Re: Swell - we're sending people to Libya and Yemen.

Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 2:18 pm
by DrDonkeyLove
Gorbachev wrote:The best way to defeat an enemy is to make him your friend. Cutting aid = bad. Withdrawing = bad. Don't give in. Stay. Overcome with strategy, not knee-jerk reaction.

There has never been a great empire that didn't collapse. Be mindful of this always. Be bold when necessary. Otherwise be cautious as your default. Prepare for the worst always. Lose the arrogance.
The Byzantine empire wrote the book on this and survived a millennium beyond the fall of Rome. Too subtle for us at this time I'm afraid.

Obama's "leading from behind" kind of touches on this but I don't think he's doing it for the purpose of strategically maintaining our position in the world. I suspect he really believes the world would be a better place with a weaker US. Jeremiah Wright's liberation theology and such.

Non sequitur: The more I compare O and W, the more I see them as slightly different versions of each other. And....together they spell OW! I think it might be a prophesy of some kind.