Page 1 of 1

The Island Where People Forget to Die

Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 4:29 am
by vern

Re: The Island Where People Forget to Die

Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 6:27 am
by Fat Cat
vern wrote:Good read.
Fantastic read.

Re: The Island Where People Forget to Die

Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 9:17 am
by Alfred_E._Neuman
Living with the natural rhythms of your body rather than forcing it to adapt to a clock is far and away the healthiest way to live. Combine that with rewarding work and a strong social connection with friends and family and you've got the recipe for a long and happy life.

Toss in a diet that was probably devoid of anything that wasn't grown locally and most likely organically and you've got all the bases of health covered.

Re: The Island Where People Forget to Die

Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 11:36 am
by Jason
I've been posting about Blue Zones for a while now. I recommend the book and his other book called Thrive about happiness.

Re: The Island Where People Forget to Die

Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 1:34 pm
by Soupbone
Awesome!

Re: The Island Where People Forget to Die

Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 3:48 pm
by Cayenne
Alfred_E._Neuman wrote:Living with the natural rhythms of your body rather than forcing it to adapt to a clock is far and away the healthiest way to live. Combine that with rewarding work and a strong social connection with friends and family and you've got the recipe for a long and happy life.

Toss in a diet that was probably devoid of anything that wasn't grown locally and most likely organically and you've got all the bases of health covered.
I've not had a chance to read the article yet, (and the extensive comments.) Is the above a fair statement of the conclusions?

Re: The Island Where People Forget to Die

Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 4:14 pm
by Grandpa's Spells
Cayenne wrote:
Alfred_E._Neuman wrote:Living with the natural rhythms of your body rather than forcing it to adapt to a clock is far and away the healthiest way to live. Combine that with rewarding work and a strong social connection with friends and family and you've got the recipe for a long and happy life.

Toss in a diet that was probably devoid of anything that wasn't grown locally and most likely organically and you've got all the bases of health covered.
I've not had a chance to read the article yet, (and the extensive comments.) Is the above a fair statement of the conclusions?
No. The key takeaway is that there are many things working in concert which are at odds with common modern priorities.

Here are the two nutshell paragraphs:
If you pay careful attention to the way Ikarians have lived their lives, it appears that a dozen subtly powerful, mutually enhancing and pervasive factors are at work. It’s easy to get enough rest if no one else wakes up early and the village goes dead during afternoon naptime. It helps that the cheapest, most accessible foods are also the most healthful — and that your ancestors have spent centuries developing ways to make them taste good. It’s hard to get through the day in Ikaria without walking up 20 hills. You’re not likely to ever feel the existential pain of not belonging or even the simple stress of arriving late. Your community makes sure you’ll always have something to eat, but peer pressure will get you to contribute something too. You’re going to grow a garden, because that’s what your parents did, and that’s what your neighbors are doing. You’re less likely to be a victim of crime because everyone at once is a busybody and feels as if he’s being watched. At day’s end, you’ll share a cup of the seasonal herbal tea with your neighbor because that’s what he’s serving. Several glasses of wine may follow the tea, but you’ll drink them in the company of good friends. On Sunday, you’ll attend church, and you’ll fast on Orthodox feast days. Even if you’re antisocial, you’ll never be entirely alone. Your neighbors will cajole you out of your house for the village festival to eat your portion of goat meat.
The big aha for me, having studied populations of the long-lived for nearly a decade, is how the factors that encourage longevity reinforce one another over the long term. For people to adopt a healthful lifestyle, I have become convinced, they need to live in an ecosystem, so to speak, that makes it possible. As soon as you take culture, belonging, purpose or religion out of the picture, the foundation for long healthy lives collapses. The power of such an environment lies in the mutually reinforcing relationships among lots of small nudges and default choices. There’s no silver bullet to keep death and the diseases of old age at bay. If there’s anything close to a secret, it’s silver buckshot.

Re: The Island Where People Forget to Die

Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 5:40 pm
by TerryB
ayedee is too senile to remember to die

hence, his torlls live forever

:point :factoid :ayedee

Re: The Island Where People Forget to Die

Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2012 10:26 am
by vern
I lived in Greece for a couple of years and they definitely taught me a lot about 'chilling out'. It took a while to get used to the 3 hour coffee breaks in the outdoor cafes but I made the best of it.

I'm sure the economic impact was minimal.

Re: The Island Where People Forget to Die

Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2012 2:45 pm
by DrDonkeyLove
Grandpa's Spells wrote:
The big aha for me, having studied populations of the long-lived for nearly a decade, is how the factors that encourage longevity reinforce one another over the long term. For people to adopt a healthful lifestyle, I have become convinced, they need to live in an ecosystem, so to speak, that makes it possible. As soon as you take culture, belonging, purpose or religion out of the picture, the foundation for long healthy lives collapses. The power of such an environment lies in the mutually reinforcing relationships among lots of small nudges and default choices. There’s no silver bullet to keep death and the diseases of old age at bay. If there’s anything close to a secret, it’s silver buckshot.
Americans focus on the quantifiable - how much of X should I do/consume/avoid? The bolded stuff above is not our strong suit, diminishing both length and quality of life.

Re: The Island Where People Forget to Die

Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2012 3:21 pm
by kreator
Cool article. I like how they drink wine and coffee.
I don't want to live to be old though.

Re: The Island Where People Forget to Die

Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2012 3:53 pm
by Kenny X
Dunn mentioned this to me yesterday and I wa meaning to check it out! Been good reading so far, thanks for posting it!