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Depressing fact of the day

Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 3:47 pm
by Turdacious
CONGRESS and President Obama have pushed through a relatively modest stopgap measure to avoid the “fiscal cliff,” but over the coming years, the United States will confront another huge cliff: Social Security.

In the first presidential debate, Mr. Obama described Social Security as “structurally sound,” and Mitt Romney said that “neither the president nor I are proposing any changes” to the program. It was a rare issue on which both men agreed — and both were utterly wrong.

For the first time in more than a quarter-century, Social Security ran a deficit in 2010: It spent $49 billion dollars more in benefits than it received in revenues, and drew from its trust funds to cover the shortfall. Those funds — a $2.7 trillion buffer built in anticipation of retiring baby boomers — will be exhausted by 2033, the government currently projects.

Those facts are widely known. What’s not is that the Social Security Administration underestimates how long Americans will live and how much the trust funds will need to pay out — to the tune of $800 billion by 2031, more than the current annual defense budget — and that the trust funds will run out, if nothing is done, two years earlier than the government has predicted.

We reached these conclusions, and presented them in an article in the journal Demography, after finding that the government’s methods for forecasting Americans’ longevity were outdated and omitted crucial health and demographic factors. Historic declines in smoking and improvements in the prevention and treatment of cardiovascular disease are adding years of life that the government hasn’t accounted for. (While obesity has rapidly increased, it is not likely, at this point, to offset these public health and medical successes.) More retirees will receive benefits for longer than predicted, supported by the payroll taxes of relatively fewer working adults than projected.

Remarkably, since Social Security was created in 1935, the government’s forecasting methods have barely changed, even as a revolution in big data and statistics has transformed everything from baseball to retailing.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/06/opini ... .html?_r=1&

Re: Depressing fact of the day

Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 3:48 pm
by Turdacious

Re: Depressing fact of the day

Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 3:51 pm
by TerryB
What's all the fuss? Congress doesn't have to worry about this until November-December 2033.

Re: Depressing fact of the day

Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 5:04 pm
by Shafpocalypse Now
Yep.

It's amazing to see old people flabbergasted that young people are angry that they've used up the 100k they paid in, plus another 2.4 million in benefits that they didn't pay in for.

It's fucked and broken.

Welcome to shitsville, 2030

Re: Depressing fact of the day

Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 5:08 pm
by TerryB
this thread ties in nicely with the mass murdering subway train thread

problem : solution

Re: Depressing fact of the day

Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 5:48 pm
by Pinky
The article also contains its own solution: More Smoking.

Come on, Baby Boomers! Stop being so selfish and start smoking. Do it for the children.

Re: Depressing fact of the day

Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 6:01 pm
by DrDonkeyLove
Shafpocalypse Now wrote:Yep.

It's amazing to see old people flabbergasted that young people are angry that they've used up the 100k they paid in, plus another 2.4 million in benefits that they didn't pay in for.

It's fucked and broken.

Welcome to shitsville, 2030
I'll be 76 in 2030, sounds like the perfect time to enter my geezerly prime. You can't even save for it either if you get sick. Say you have $250K in your 401K that you have to burn through at a modest $10k/month for full time care. By the time you're 78, you're destitute and living in a Dickensian nightmare. With various hedges like insurances, you can run the string out a bit. Or, maybe you have more savings or lower cost care. Regardless, in a few years you are fucked unless I misunderstand the situation.

The only solution I see is to stay healthy enough to work as long as possible and then die fast.

Re: Depressing fact of the day

Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 6:21 pm
by kreator
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Re: Depressing fact of the day

Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 2:25 pm
by climber511
I'll likely be dead by then - you guys worry about it.

Re: Depressing fact of the day

Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 2:42 am
by Protobuilder
Obesity is the last hope for the system as we know it.

Re: Depressing fact of the day

Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 4:33 am
by buckethead
By the time you're 78, you're destitute and living in a Dickensian nightmare.
What is that like? I never was able to read that far

Re: Depressing fact of the day

Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 5:16 am
by Schlegel
BucketHead wrote:
By the time you're 78, you're destitute and living in a Dickensian nightmare.
What is that like? I never was able to read that far
Maybe Proto can post a link?

Re: Depressing fact of the day

Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 6:13 am
by Protobuilder
Schlegel wrote:
BucketHead wrote:
By the time you're 78, you're destitute and living in a Dickensian nightmare.
What is that like? I never was able to read that far
Maybe Proto can post a link?
He was into McCarthy, Rand and Steinbeck that week.

Re: Depressing fact of the day

Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 5:54 pm
by Batboy2/75
LOL!

AGES 55-59 The chart predicts that everyone who happens to be 55-59 in 2028 would die. (Yet half of those who are age 95 that year would live on.
The US government predicts that everyone 55-59 in 2028 is going to die. That's right, everyone 55-59 is dead as a door nail. Every single one of them. Can you say cooked numbers?

You might as well believe the rants of the nearest drug addled pan-handler than politicians and their experts.

It's like some giant cosmic farce.

BTW- I like how the NY Times and the Gvt like to pretend that Social security is stuff to the gills with assets to pay for the baby boomers until 2031. The trust fund is full of IOUs payable by the US taxpayer. The money is gone and all that is left is a pretend number in a ledger.

If anyone of us ran a trust the way the US Gvt does, we'd all be in prison. If the Federal Gvt had to report their finances like any corporation has to, people would be out in the streets rioting.

Re: Depressing fact of the day

Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 6:49 pm
by Pinky
Nearly all forecasts that extend decades into the future are a farce. The difference between the best and the worst of them is how transparent the farce is.