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Another great FAIL for our anorexic limp wrists fake president Obama! ......pity

This guy was the president of Egypt? Wow.

Well fuck...I was trying to be funny and post a pic of Morrissey. Worked on my iPhone.

It worked for me, Brother Shape.

And I thought it was hilarious.

ATTA BOY SHAPE!!!

It worked fine brother, not need to shed them tears.

We have a case of a military saving it's country from it's own incompetent and inflammatory government.

Ever since Sadat, the army has profited from peace. They want their F-16s, their kids like their MTV and they don;t want either put at risk or out of their control because of some fuckers who have an eye for the 8th century.

They don't want to have to fight Israel because Morsi keeps whipping shit up while David is one nervous motherfucker these days. Dave might go right to the big stick on someone as formidable as Egypt.

The attempted purging of the armed forces and replacement with MB symps probably started the bitching into planing.

Morsi's and his boy's own incompetence and not yet ready for the big leagues of public administration and the general reaction from it by the population that is not also niggers of the country dovetailed nicely and they get to play the saviours, with the civilian they put out front being a good show.

I'm not sure we should be offering up too much reverence to the military just yet.

DARTH wrote:We have a case of a military saving it's country from it's own incompetent and inflammatory government.

Ever since Sadat, the army has profited from peace. They want their F-16s, their kids like their MTV and they don;t want either put at risk or out of their control because of some fuckers who have an eye for the 8th century.

They don't want to have to fight Israel because Morsi keeps whipping shit up while David is one nervous motherfucker these days. Dave might go right to the big stick on someone as formidable as Egypt.

The attempted purging of the armed forces and replacement with MB symps probably started the bitching into planing.

Morsi's and his boy's own incompetence and not yet ready for the big leagues of public administration and the general reaction from it by the population that is not also niggers of the country dovetailed nicely and they get to play the saviours, with the civilian they put out front being a good show.

Actually, Darth got this one pretty much right.

I'm not disagreeing, per se, but I'm also not going to champion overthrowing an elected government and suspending a constitution that was passed in a vote.


On the flip side, I'm happy to see the Muslim Brotherhood being pressured out, just a little cautious about where this thing is headed.

Can a military coup be democratic? Shit to think about:
http://www.salon.com/2013/07/03/can_cou ... sometimes/

Foreign Policy’s Joshua Keating looks at another study, this one from Lewis & Clark Law school professor Ozan Varol. As with Marinov and Goemans’ paper, Varol’s, published last year in the Harvard International Law Journal, argues that while most coups are undemocratic, “democratic coups d’etat” do exist. He points to three examples (including, ironically, the 2011 ouster of Mubarak), and lists seven criteria a military coup should follow to be considered democratic:

1) the coup is staged against an authoritarian or totalitarian regime; (2) the military responds to persistent popular opposition against that regime; (3) the authoritarian or totalitarian regime refuses to step down in response to the popular uprising; (4) the coup is staged by a military that is highly respected within the nation, ordinarily because of mandatory conscription; (5) the military stages the coup to overthrow the authoritarian or totalitarian regime; (6) the military facilitates free and fair elections within a short span of time; and (7) the coup ends with the transfer of power to democratically elected leaders.

As Keating points out, two through five fit pretty well with Egypt today, “but the first and most important one is a tough sell.” The masses in Tahrir square certainly seemed to think that Morsi’s government was authoritarian, but Morsi and his allies obviously deny that.

The final two criteria, meanwhile, remain to be seen. The military’s rule after Mubarak gives some hope, but also plenty to be worried about. On the one hand, the military did not install a junta and ceded power to a democratically elected government. However, it just overthrew that democratically elected government. And during its rule between Mubarak and Morsi, the military is widely believed to have committed “forced disappearances, torture and killings across the country.”

What happens in the future, and whether the military follows Varol’s two criteria, will likely inform the retrospective view on whether Morsi was an autocrat, and ultimately whether history views this coup as democratic or not.

Down with democratically elected officials! Away with majority approved constitutions! I welcome a world where military generals can take over a country as long as they say the people support them.

Oh honk. In many countries, the military is the best educated class. and the most responsible. In some cases (God forbid) the military knows best.

People told Morsi they don't like stifling the courts, firing respected generals, imposing harsh Islamic laws...

OK, Morsi, respond. Oh, you won't? You're fucked.

I've got no problem with this. So far.

Either way, Egypt's got some serious issues to deal with.

Like stopping the rape-o-palooza: http://www.hrw.org/news/2013/07/03/egyp ... l-violence

Egyptian anti-sexual harassment groups confirmed that mobs sexually assaulted and in some cases raped at least 91 women in Tahrir Square, over four days of protests beginning on June 30, 2013, amid a climate of impunity.

DARTH wrote:We have a case of a military saving it's country from it's own incompetent and inflammatory government.

Ever since Sadat, the army has profited from peace. They want their F-16s, their kids like their MTV and they don;t want either put at risk or out of their control because of some fuckers who have an eye for the 8th century.

They don't want to have to fight Israel because Morsi keeps whipping shit up while David is one nervous motherfucker these days. Dave might go right to the big stick on someone as formidable as Egypt.

The attempted purging of the armed forces and replacement with MB symps probably started the bitching into planing.

Morsi's and his boy's own incompetence and not yet ready for the big leagues of public administration and the general reaction from it by the population that is not also niggers of the country dovetailed nicely and they get to play the saviours, with the civilian they put out front being a good show.

Darf for SoS

Turkey is due for some of this.

Andy79 wrote:Another great FAIL for our anorexic limp wrists fake president Obama! ......pity

Geez dude. Obama's foreign policy is abysmal but how is this his fault?

nafod wrote:

DARTH wrote:We have a case of a military saving it's country from it's own incompetent and inflammatory government.

Ever since Sadat, the army has profited from peace. They want their F-16s, their kids like their MTV and they don;t want either put at risk or out of their control because of some fuckers who have an eye for the 8th century.

They don't want to have to fight Israel because Morsi keeps whipping shit up while David is one nervous motherfucker these days. Dave might go right to the big stick on someone as formidable as Egypt.

The attempted purging of the armed forces and replacement with MB symps probably started the bitching into planing.

Morsi's and his boy's own incompetence and not yet ready for the big leagues of public administration and the general reaction from it by the population that is not also niggers of the country dovetailed nicely and they get to play the saviours, with the civilian they put out front being a good show.

Darf for SoS

Turkey is due for some of this.

Not just Turkey...

Who wants to take bets that Epypt doesn't invade Lybia?

Large military dominated Government & Shit Box Socialist control economy + Neighboring Country with Lots of oil and a week almost non existent government= Temping opportunity to solve a lot of your short term problems.

Batboy2/75 wrote:Who wants to take bets that Epypt doesn't invade Lybia?

Large military dominated Government & Shit Box Socialist control economy + Neighboring Country with Lots of oil and a week almost non existent government= Temping opportunity to solve a lot of your short term problems.

Is the Egyptian military competent enough to suppress widespread riots in two countries?

Surprisingly yes, but just those two countries...

Go on.

Seriously. Given your unique background, from what I've gathered over the last couple of years, I'm interested to hear your take on this particular issue.

I honestly just want whats best for the people that isn't a Muslim brotherhood thing. They need to fix their country, but that can be said about a lot of places. And I think there is too much history there to let it be destroyed.

Military coups almost always start out as a populist move to stop shit from getting really out of hand. Few soldiers relish the possibility of having to turn guns on the majority of their own people. The problem is what do you do once they are in power?

Word: The center of mass now located in AG will move southwest. Developing.

Egypt is a country where something like 90% of the people don't have legal titles for the homes they live in, and not because someone else (or the state) holds the title. There simply isn't legal recognition of ownership. They're a nation of squatters.

A related side effect of their lack of legal institutions is the fact that black markets account for most of Egypt's employment.

They're going nowhere unless they fix their institutions.