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We're in twenty-firth place!
Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 8:47 pm
by buckethead
Re: We're in twenty-firth place!
Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 10:12 pm
by Blaidd Drwg
http://takimag.com/article/pisa_piece_b ... z2mZl955nQ
While I don’t know what scores will be revealed this week from the triennial PISA, I can anticipate the tenor of American media coverage by recalling the 2010 brouhaha over how badly American students scored. In reality, American kids did surprisingly well on that last PISA, as long as you adjust for race. As I wrote in 2010, the main focus of the 2009 test was reading, and American students read relatively well:
• Asian Americans outscored every Asian country, and lost out only to the city of Shanghai, China’s financial capital.
• White Americans outperformed the national average in every one of the 37 historically white countries tested, except Finland.
• Hispanic Americans beat all eight Latin American countries.
At the continental level, PISA (and the competing TIMSS test) show the same general broad patterns as seen in countless tests in the US: On average, Northeast Asians are out front, then Europeans, then Latin Americans, then blacks. So the PISA results have some prima facie validity. Of course, it’s discouraging to learn that PISA’s global results are largely the American bell curve writ large, so nobody notices.
Re: We're in twenty-firth place!
Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2013 11:06 pm
by buckethead
Don't get all scholarly. I'm laughing that the graphic had us at 21th place.
Re: We're in twenty-firth place!
Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 1:25 am
by seeahill
BucketHead wrote:Don't get all scholarly. I'm laughing that the graphic had us at 21th place.
It was written by a concerned educator. In crayon.
Re: We're in twenty-firth place!
Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 3:34 am
by Sangoma
Blaidd Drwg wrote:http://takimag.com/article/pisa_piece_b ... z2mZl955nQ
While I don’t know what scores will be revealed this week from the triennial PISA, I can anticipate the tenor of American media coverage by recalling the 2010 brouhaha over how badly American students scored. In reality, American kids did surprisingly well on that last PISA, as long as you adjust for race. As I wrote in 2010, the main focus of the 2009 test was reading, and American students read relatively well:
• Asian Americans outscored every Asian country, and lost out only to the city of Shanghai, China’s financial capital.
• White Americans outperformed the national average in every one of the 37 historically white countries tested, except Finland.
• Hispanic Americans beat all eight Latin American countries.
What was the text the knowledge was tested on, Billy the Goat?
Re: We're in twenty-firth place!
Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 4:00 am
by nafod
This country has more pounds of awesome in its foreskin than the rest the world has in its entire GI tract.
Re: We're in twenty-firth place!
Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 4:13 am
by Protobuilder
So, the IGX rebuttal is that you can't compare countries because Asia doesn't have blacks nor Mexicans to educate?
Re: We're in twenty-firth place!
Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 4:36 am
by Blaidd Drwg
Terry B. wrote:So, the IGX rebuttal is that you can't compare countries because Asia doesn't have blacks nor Mexicans to educate?
And you expected what?
Axly..it is a very interesting situation in that when you adjust out the diversity of various ethnically organized subcultures, on their own each does nowhere near as bad and those pesky northeast asian kids seem to kick ass wherever they are.
I love having these sorts of debates with my Icelandic friends who embrace "diversity" having seen a sum total of 5 black people in theor entire lives and nothing approaching the dozens of totally culturally distinct subcultures of a country like Russia, China or the US.
Re: We're in twenty-firth place!
Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 5:34 am
by Protobuilder
Blaidd Drwg wrote:Axly..it is a very interesting situation in that when you adjust out the diversity of various ethnically organized subcultures, on their own each does nowhere near as bad and those pesky northeast asian kids seem to kick ass wherever they are.
China did cook the numbers a bit in that only certain schools were included in the testing, all located in Shanghai.
Demographics have always been a major factor in the US. As supported by the most recent PISA report, soco-economic background and status plays a far larger role in the US than in other countries.