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A nation at war: year 50
Posted: Wed Jan 08, 2014 2:27 pm
by Turdacious
On Jan. 8, 1964, President Lyndon B. Johnson used his State of the Union address to announce an ambitious government undertaking. "This administration today, here and now," he thundered, "declares unconditional war on poverty in America."
Fifty years later, we're losing that war. Fifteen percent of Americans still live in poverty, according to the official census poverty report for 2012, unchanged since the mid-1960s. Liberals argue that we aren't spending enough money on poverty-fighting programs, but that's not the problem. In reality, we're losing the war on poverty because we have forgotten the original goal, as LBJ stated it half a century ago: "to give our fellow citizens a fair chance to develop their own capacities."
The federal government currently runs more than 80 means-tested welfare programs that provide cash, food, housing, medical care and targeted social services to poor and low-income Americans. Government spent $916 billion on these programs in 2012 alone, and roughly 100 million Americans received aid from at least one of them, at an average cost of $9,000 per recipient. (That figure doesn't include Social Security or Medicare benefits.) Federal and state welfare spending, adjusted for inflation, is 16 times greater than it was in 1964. If converted to cash, current means-tested spending is five times the amount needed to eliminate all official poverty in the U.S.
LBJ promised that the war on poverty would be an "investment" that would "return its cost manifold to the entire economy." But the country has invested $20.7 trillion in 2011 dollars over the past 50 years. What does America have to show for its investment? Apparently, almost nothing: The official poverty rate persists with little improvement.
Do higher living standards for the poor mean that the war on poverty has succeeded? No. To judge the effort, consider LBJ's original aim. He sought to give poor Americans "opportunity not doles," planning to shrink welfare dependence not expand it. In his vision, the war on poverty would strengthen poor Americans' capacity to support themselves, transforming "taxeaters" into "taxpayers." It would attack not just the symptoms of poverty but, more important, remove the causes.
By that standard, the war on poverty has been a catastrophe. The root "causes" of poverty have not shrunk but expanded as family structure disintegrated and labor-force participation among men dropped. A large segment of the population is now less capable of self-sufficiency than when the war on poverty began.
The collapse of marriage in low-income communities has played a substantial role in the declining capacity for self-support. In 1963, 6% of American children were born out of wedlock. Today the number stands at 41%. As benefits swelled, welfare increasingly served as a substitute for a bread-winning husband in the home.
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB1 ... 0272285556
Discuss.
Re: A nation at war: year 50
Posted: Wed Jan 08, 2014 2:34 pm
by Kazuya Mishima
I don't appreciate the racial undertones of this subject. It's quite obvious to me that you are referring to the mythology of a higher out-of-wedlock birth rate amongst African-Americans. This is about as real as their affinity for the "knockout game", expensive after market automotive accessories, and "purple drank".
Mario, move this nonsense to the trash heap before our hosting service gets a nasty (and much deserved) letter from Eric Holder's office.
Re: A nation at war: year 50
Posted: Wed Jan 08, 2014 2:41 pm
by DrDonkeyLove
Re: A nation at war: year 50
Posted: Wed Jan 08, 2014 2:47 pm
by Shafpocalypse Now
Just think about how much education and training that the wars we've waged on Israel's behalf in the middle east would have paid for!
Re: A nation at war: year 50
Posted: Wed Jan 08, 2014 3:02 pm
by kreator
Shafpocalypse Now wrote:Just think about how much education and training that the wars we've waged on Israel's behalf in the middle east would have paid for!
I'm imagining scenarios where politicians have access to that kind of money to use on their own "programs" here in the US.
Re: A nation at war: year 50
Posted: Wed Jan 08, 2014 3:08 pm
by Shafpocalypse Now
Let's be honest, it wouldn't have turned out any differently. US politicians are, almost to a man, corrupt, petty thieves with law degrees, and don't give a fuck about their constituency or this nation's long term success.
Re: A nation at war: year 50
Posted: Wed Jan 08, 2014 3:10 pm
by DrDonkeyLove
Shafpocalypse Now wrote:Just think about how much education and training that the wars we've waged on Israel's behalf in the middle east would have paid for!
Let's not forget bank bailouts, "shovel ready stimulus", and untold amounts of corporate welfare and shenanigans by both parties.
Re: A nation at war: year 50
Posted: Wed Jan 08, 2014 3:11 pm
by The Ginger Beard Man
But look at all those votes!
Re: A nation at war: year 50
Posted: Wed Jan 08, 2014 3:13 pm
by Kazuya Mishima
Shafpocalypse Now wrote:Just think about how much education and training that the wars we've waged on Israel's behalf in the middle east would have paid for!
I am offended by this anti-Semitism.
Re: A nation at war: year 50
Posted: Wed Jan 08, 2014 3:14 pm
by climber511
Shafpocalypse Now wrote:Let's be honest, it wouldn't have turned out any differently. US politicians are, almost to a man, corrupt, petty thieves with law degrees, and don't give a fuck about their constituency or this nation's long term success.
Shaf - you are wrong - there is nothing petty about the way these people steal.
Re: A nation at war: year 50
Posted: Wed Jan 08, 2014 3:17 pm
by Turdacious
Shafpocalypse Now wrote:Let's be honest, it wouldn't have turned out any differently. US politicians are, almost to a man, corrupt, petty thieves with law degrees, and don't give a fuck about their constituency or this nation's long term success.
This is the new politically correct IGx Shaf-- a lot of those thieves are women, and some of them may be persons of transgender. Off to the reeducation camp!
Re: A nation at war: year 50
Posted: Wed Jan 08, 2014 3:31 pm
by nafod
Shafpocalypse Now wrote:Just think about how much education and training that the wars we've waged on Israel's behalf in the middle east would have paid for!
Easy there, shipmate. It put me through flight school.
Re: A nation at war: year 50
Posted: Wed Jan 08, 2014 6:49 pm
by Blaidd Drwg
nafod wrote:Shafpocalypse Now wrote:Just think about how much education and training that the wars we've waged on Israel's behalf in the middle east would have paid for!
Easy there, shipmate. It put me through flight school.
Moderate your slurs. The homophobic undertones of "
Shipmate" are deeply offensive.
Re: A nation at war: year 50
Posted: Wed Jan 08, 2014 6:55 pm
by Sua Sponte
Shafpocalypse Now wrote:Just think about how much education and training that the wars we've waged on Israel's behalf in the middle east would have paid for!
Ridiculous. Everybody knows Iraqi oil paid for the wars. It's not like we were lied to or anything.
Re: A nation at war: year 50
Posted: Wed Jan 08, 2014 7:08 pm
by Batboy2/75
People are poor because of culture. No amount of money is going to change a degenerate culture that doesn't value family, community, hard work & education. White, black, yellow, purple; your race don't fucking matter if you embrace the welfare state ghetto culture. You and your offspring will be nothing more than wards of the welfare state plantation system.
The Feds could have spent 10x that amount and the result would have not just been the same, but worse.
"I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. In my youth I travelled much, and I observed in different countries, that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer"
Re: A nation at war: year 50
Posted: Wed Jan 08, 2014 7:27 pm
by Turdacious
Federal poverty programs could hardly have been designed better to be more successful at promoting intergenerational poverty.
Re: A nation at war: year 50
Posted: Wed Jan 08, 2014 7:57 pm
by Turdacious
Re: A nation at war: year 50
Posted: Wed Jan 08, 2014 8:58 pm
by seeahill
Bats,
Who are you quoting above?
Re: A nation at war: year 50
Posted: Wed Jan 08, 2014 9:02 pm
by Batboy2/75
seeahill wrote:Bats,
Who are you quoting above?
Benjamin Franklin, "On the Price of Corn and Management of the Poor"
Re: A nation at war: year 50
Posted: Wed Jan 08, 2014 9:57 pm
by Pinky