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2nd Amendment FWIW
Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2014 8:19 pm
by Garm
You don't need the ability to defend yourself, just call the cops. They are your friends, make sure to vote for the law & order candidates across the board so we can keep our country safe and free.
PS, 3rd of these so far in 2014 (reported).
Officer on 911 call charged with rape
DETROIT -- The woman sought help from police after reportedly being assaulted by her boyfriend. But while police responded to the domestic violence call, one of the officers took the 31-year-old woman into an upstairs bedroom and sexually assaulted her, authorities said. Detroit police Officer Deon Nunlee has been charged in the Oct. 30 alleged assault. Police said DNA connected Nunlee, who has been on the force since 2008, to the assault. "I'm troubled," Detroit Police Chief James Craig said at a news conference Friday. "Certainly, this is the type of criminal misconduct that should never happen by any member of this department or any department for that matter."
Re: 2nd Amendment FWIW
Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2014 9:59 pm
by Bob Wildes
Re: 2nd Amendment FWIW
Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2014 10:14 pm
by seeahill
We ought to have a whole long thread about shit like that. We could call it Officer Friendly.
Re: 2nd Amendment FWIW
Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2014 10:35 pm
by Grandpa's Spells
seeahill wrote:We ought to have a whole long thread about shit like that. We could call it Officer Friendly.

Re: 2nd Amendment FWIW
Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2014 11:21 pm
by Mickey O'neil
Grandpa's Spells wrote:seeahill wrote:We ought to have a whole long thread about shit like that. We could call it Officer Friendly.

Haha!
Re: 2nd Amendment FWIW
Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2014 12:14 am
by Gene
Garm wrote:You don't need the ability to defend yourself, just call the cops.
You're being sarcastic, Garm, but it bears repeating - the Police are NOT obligated to protect anyone.
The Supreme Court ruled on Monday that the police did not have a constitutional duty to protect a person from harm, even a woman who had obtained a court-issued protective order against a violent husband making an arrest mandatory for a violation.
The decision, with an opinion by Justice Antonin Scalia and dissents from Justices John Paul Stevens and Ruth Bader Ginsburg, overturned a ruling by a federal appeals court in Colorado. The appeals court had permitted a lawsuit to proceed against a Colorado town, Castle Rock, for the failure of the police to respond to a woman's pleas for help after her estranged husband violated a protective order by kidnapping their three young daughters, whom he eventually killed.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/polit ... .html?_r=0
Since its 1989 holding that a duty to protect generally does not exist, the U.S. Supreme Court has not directly spoken on the two exception theories that have since evolved.
When considering whether law enforcement has a duty to protect, first ask if a special relationship exists. If a suspect is taken into custody by law enforcement, a duty to protect -be it at the scene, during transport, or at the jail-exists.7
Courts have rejected the existence of a special relationship in the following situations: between a county and an ex-wife when the sheriff failed to serve her ex-husband with an order of protection;11 between police and a girlfriend when police made a promise to her that her boyfriend would be kept in jail overnight;12 and between a man and police, who went to his home to place him on a mental health hold and then waited downstairs while the man (who was not in the officer's physical custody) went upstairs to get "something" and jumped out a window, thereby killing himself.13
Even if there is no special relationship between a person and police, a duty to protect may still exist if the person has been harmed by a third party and can prove the state-created danger theory.
http://www.policechiefmagazine.org/maga ... e_id=72004
If Police had any sense of professional responsibility they would police their own ranks.
Edit - put the post on a diet.
Re: 2nd Amendment FWIW
Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2014 12:41 am
by Turdacious
Re: 2nd Amendment FWIW
Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2014 2:43 am
by Gene
Re: 2nd Amendment FWIW
Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2014 8:35 am
by Garm
seeahill wrote:We ought to have a whole long thread about shit like that. We could call it Officer Friendly.
Any of us who don't habitually act like good sheep and have been around more than a few years will have our own relevant experiences, or at least second hand stories. I can't even innocently call out anal prostitution, for example, without the police state proving it's lack of respect for the constitution and our Republicans getting a big laugh about it.
City boys of all flavors will have a big batch to relate, etc. The question is whether it's safe to do so - they may, after all, decide to pack your peanut butter with a plunger. Back in your hippie days, I'm sure you got at least one wood shampoo, right?
Re: 2nd Amendment FWIW
Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2014 10:53 am
by Protobuilder
We don't have an anal thread here. Yet.
Re: 2nd Amendment FWIW
Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2014 12:29 pm
by Kenny X
The only thing I can think of that would be lower on the prison food chain than a rapist, would be a cop. And this little piggy has both on his CV. Nice. The over/under on him being raped to death by the inmates sounds like it'll be 2 months / 6 months.
Re: 2nd Amendment FWIW
Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2014 2:28 pm
by Garm
Dr. Agkistrodon wrote:The only thing I can think of that would be lower on the prison food chain than a rapist, would be a cop. And this little piggy has both on his CV. Nice. The over/under on him being raped to death by the inmates sounds like it'll be 2 months / 6 months.
A free clue: watching TV doesn't usually educate. Even if your premises were correct, cops all go into protective custody with the judges, kiddie fuckers, and outed snitches. Lawsuit prevention 101.
Additionally, there are a lot of punks in the world, and the percentages hold in prison. The weak get victimized, regardless of what got them there, and can be made into punks, but the number of willing sodomites in any such facility makes getting mud on one's duck a simple matter without a lot of effort or risk. When the lefties come by with their questionnaires, of course everyone gets constantly raped. Anything and everything to make the institution dance.
FWIW, the guards are more likely to be rapists. Like sailors, there's a reason they selected that work environment.
Re: 2nd Amendment FWIW
Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2014 3:23 pm
by Protobuilder
Garm wrote:Dr. Agkistrodon wrote:The only thing I can think of that would be lower on the prison food chain than a rapist, would be a cop. And this little piggy has both on his CV. Nice. The over/under on him being raped to death by the inmates sounds like it'll be 2 months / 6 months.
A free clue: watching TV doesn't usually educate. Even if your premises were correct, cops all go into protective custody with the judges, kiddie fuckers, and outed snitches. Lawsuit prevention 101.
Additionally, there are a lot of punks in the world, and the percentages hold in prison. The weak get victimized, regardless of what got them there, and can be made into punks, but the number of willing sodomites in any such facility makes getting mud on one's duck a simple matter without a lot of effort or risk. When the lefties come by with their questionnaires, of course everyone gets constantly raped. Anything and everything to make the institution dance.
FWIW, the guards are more likely to be rapists. Like sailors, there's a reason they selected that work environment.
Shhh, now. Support of the American criminal justice system is relies on the fantasy that the 'bad guys' are raped repeatedly by bodybuilding gang members.
Re: 2nd Amendment FWIW
Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2014 4:00 pm
by Garm
Rape is a capital crime only as a holdover from Victorian notions of women as property whose value degrades to zero via penile insertion, if you want to get analytical about it. Can't be a feminist and view it as worse than any other kind of assault. Most of the honest readers who are secure in their sexuality would rather take a buggering than a ballbat to the chops if forced to choose. wouldn't damage our psyches one bit. The mentally fragile female requiring grief counseling for life would be better served to go live in Phnom Penn for a while, her militant sisters must agree.
Re: 2nd Amendment FWIW
Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2014 4:58 pm
by Kenny X
I'm a proponent of the death penalty for convicted rapists and child molesters. Have you seen the recidivism rates for these offenders? It's insane.
Re: 2nd Amendment FWIW
Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2014 5:15 pm
by Gene
Garm wrote:Rape is a capital crime only as a holdover from Victorian notions of women as property whose value degrades to zero via penile insertion, if you want to get analytical about it. Can't be a feminist and view it as worse than any other kind of assault. Most of the honest readers who are secure in their sexuality would rather take a buggering than a ballbat to the chops if forced to choose. wouldn't damage our psyches one bit. The mentally fragile female requiring grief counseling for life would be better served to go live in Phnom Penn for a while, her militant sisters must agree.
As long as the recipient doesn't catch Hep or AIDS, right?
Re: 2nd Amendment FWIW
Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2014 5:44 pm
by Garm
Dr. Agkistrodon wrote:I'm a proponent of the death penalty for convicted rapists and child molesters. Have you seen the recidivism rates for these offenders? It's insane.
The rates are due to the punishment. In the days of justifiable homicide and crimes of passion, before state control without responsibility, family members were expected to address the issue with finality. The reason there are so many shades of homicide in current law is to disenfranchise the citizen's right to feel and act upon righteous anger.
Pick a societal problem, you'll likely find a law at it's root. 2.8 million and more created every day. Can you list 2.8 million things that should be so proscribed? I've tried for years to come up with more than a handful - steal, physical harm, murder,...? - and can't. A good citizen is in favor of blanket repeal of almost all of them, while our representatives only add to the problem by giving us more. This is the true political spectrum from which left and right are seen to be identical. Increased control in either case, a larger machine to feed, and of course your recidivism rates.
Re: 2nd Amendment FWIW
Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2014 5:53 pm
by Garm
Gene wrote:
As long as the recipient doesn't catch Hep or AIDS, right?
Punching someone in the face is one thing, punching with a poisoned ring another.
Also, neither of these diseases are fatal any more. It would be akin to an assault that resulted in lifelong medical problems. I'd still rather be cornholed than brain damaged, while vagina is made to accept Malmsteen and spunk douches right out. You can't be an ethical feminist and support current rape penalties.
Either weaker sex is so or rape a simple assault, with aggravating factors identical to other assaults.
Re: 2nd Amendment FWIW
Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2014 6:01 pm
by seeahill
Garm wrote: Back in your hippie days, I'm sure you got at least one wood shampoo, right?
Never actually hit with baton. Jailed briefly during the San Francisco State riots. However, I believe I have been arrested, detained and jailed in more countries than just about anyone here. England: aiding and abetting some guys who bungee jumped off the Brighton Bridge. Italy, Rome: 20 years old, out late, lousy neighborhood, bar fight. I'm just watching, but some guy shoved me and I shoved him back. Plainclothes cop. Jailed for (this was the exact translation of the crime) "committing an outrage against a public official." Burundi airport, loading up a bush plane. How was I to know that one of the songs played on the scratchy loudspeaker was the national anthem. Detained in broom closet for a couple of hours to learn respect.
I could go on.
Re: 2nd Amendment FWIW
Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2014 6:13 pm
by Cave Canem
Garm wrote: You can't be an ethical feminist and support current rape penalties.
Ethical feminist = oxymoron
Re: 2nd Amendment FWIW
Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2014 6:46 pm
by Kenny X
seeahill wrote:Garm wrote: Back in your hippie days, I'm sure you got at least one wood shampoo, right?
Never actually hit with baton. Jailed briefly during the San Francisco State riots. However, I believe I have been arrested, detained and jailed in more countries than just about anyone here. England: aiding and abetting some guys who bungee jumped off the Brighton Bridge. Italy, Rome: 20 years old, out late, lousy neighborhood, bar fight. I'm just watching, but some guy shoved me and I shoved him back. Plainclothes cop. Jailed for (this was the exact translation of the crime) "committing an outrage against a public official." Burundi airport, loading up a bush plane. How was I to know that one of the songs played on the scratchy loudspeaker was the national anthem. Detained in broom closet for a couple of hours to learn respect.
I could go on.
Did your stint in the Burundi broom closet teach you any respect for the backwards, godless savages?
Re: 2nd Amendment FWIW
Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2014 7:53 pm
by seeahill
I learned that, in Burundi, a guy who wants to avoid trouble should stand at attention when this song is played.
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Re: 2nd Amendment FWIW
Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2014 9:14 pm
by Gene
Garm wrote:Gene wrote:
As long as the recipient doesn't catch Hep or AIDS, right?
Punching someone in the face is one thing, punching with a poisoned ring another.
Also, neither of these diseases are fatal any more. It would be akin to an assault that resulted in lifelong medical problems. I'd still rather be cornholed than brain damaged, while vagina is made to accept Malmsteen and spunk douches right out. You can't be an ethical feminist and support current rape penalties.
Either weaker sex is so or rape a simple assault, with aggravating factors identical to other assaults.
You can't take pills to cure a scrambled brain.
No victimhood, no outrage. No outrage, no power. No victimhood, no power. What can they do without "power"? Go to yard sales or bingo?
Re: 2nd Amendment FWIW
Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2014 2:53 am
by Protobuilder
Gene wrote:Garm wrote:Rape is a capital crime only as a holdover from Victorian notions of women as property whose value degrades to zero via penile insertion, if you want to get analytical about it. Can't be a feminist and view it as worse than any other kind of assault. Most of the honest readers who are secure in their sexuality would rather take a buggering than a ballbat to the chops if forced to choose. wouldn't damage our psyches one bit. The mentally fragile female requiring grief counseling for life would be better served to go live in Phnom Penn for a while, her militant sisters must agree.
As long as the recipient doesn't catch Hep or AIDS, right?
He would dim the lights during the act and buy you a nice cup of tea when finished.
Re: 2nd Amendment FWIW
Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2014 1:54 pm
by Garm
seeahill wrote:Garm wrote: Back in your hippie days, I'm sure you got at least one wood shampoo, right?
Never actually hit with baton. Jailed briefly during the San Francisco State riots. However, I believe I have been arrested, detained and jailed in more countries than just about anyone here. England: aiding and abetting some guys who bungee jumped off the Brighton Bridge. Italy, Rome: 20 years old, out late, lousy neighborhood, bar fight. I'm just watching, but some guy shoved me and I shoved him back. Plainclothes cop. Jailed for (this was the exact translation of the crime) "committing an outrage against a public official." Burundi airport, loading up a bush plane. How was I to know that one of the songs played on the scratchy loudspeaker was the national anthem. Detained in broom closet for a couple of hours to learn respect.
I could go on.
The propaganda is that we are 'better' than the 3rd world in terms of individual rights. We expect the broom closet or worse in Africa, but that justice will prevail in our Land of the Free. With the most prisoners, in both raw numbers and percentages, of any society in human history and more prisons being built, cops hired, and 'get tough on crime' laws passed every day, the Great Liberty Lie is what I was seeking anecdotes to deflate.
Everyone, in their bones, knows that the schoolyard bully and small animal torturer grows up to become a cop or a hood. We can't expect them all to be able to exhibit restraint. The gal who called 911 above was almost certainly asking for it, after all - what else could she expect, having a vagina so flagrantly.
The whole thing also illustrates the big problem with democracy. Pull the fear chain and the majority reflexively abandon their civil rights, and yours. Knowing this, the framers intended the constitution to be immutable. #2 is the most important, because it places responsibility for the others in our own hands. She should have shot that cop 17 times in the face.