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In Minnesota, we have 'whiskey plates' for people who meet a certain and reasonable standard of DUI offense(s). This 'Scarlet Letter' lets cops know and also the public know the person behind the wheel has been convicted of driving drunk. I believe, anyone in the household who drives cars registered in the same address of the offender has to roll with whiskey plates too, i.e. you get pinched, your wife drives her ride with your whiskey plate, too. In reality, these, and all the steps that lead up to obtaining them are very expensive, so you'll see more of these plates in more affluent areas than 'da hood or a trailer park. Again, this is for either multiple offenses, being wasted, hurting someone, ect. .08 doesn't get you whiskey plates (but that's another $5k issue I've had more than a few friends go through).

With that said.....Minnesota is about as liberal/to the left as you'll get in the USA and no one bitches about the Whiskey Plate concept at all.

So, what if:

People convicted for certain crimes (violent felony, criminal possession of a weapon, sex offense, for examples) are made to wear an ankle bracelet upon parole/probation which would allow cops to put them at 'reasonable suspicion' and identifiable upon some sort of GPS ping? Anyone present with that person would also be subject to the same level of RS, if deemed appropriate. LOJACK for Thugs.

Let's face it: most of the people doing street crime do it repeatedly and get caught eventually if not often, and street crime is the pain point with profiling (yes, put car stops in that bucket, too). Tagging them like a friggin' fish will make them pariah's of sorts in the sense that if you're with them and not doing the up and up, you might get tossed, too, which might be a strong deterrent by way of eliminating a negative influence. Many more layers to this, obviously, but if we are going to take advantage of technology going the bodycam route, we might as well burn the other end of the big brother candle and 'Scarlet Letter' those who have proven themselves to be met with suspicion, at least for the term of their probation/parole.

Comments?

If it gets them out of jails and yet still reduces crime, big win-win.

Slippery slope, IMO.
Why stop at wearables? Once we have the technology to implant chips, do that instead. Implant a chip at birth, with SSN, add info as it becomes pertinent.
Make it scannable. Replace cash, credit/debit cards, Apple Pay, Google Wallet, metro cards, drivers license and everything else. Know everyone's whereabouts and business at all times.
Or maybe I'm a little too paranoid, and read too much sci fi. I don't know.

Good idea, Comrade!

Public lashings would be a better option to get people's attention and put them on the straight and narrow.

Seriously.

It will never happen because of the whole "cruel and unusual" bullshit. However, there is nothing more cruel and unusual than an 18 year old black kid catching a felony (over some bullshit weed possession charge) and remaining unemployable for the rest of his life because of the imaginary existential label of "convicted felon".

I really don't give a fuck about criminals and I'd just as soon see them chopped up into dog food. But...and this is a big but...there is a slippery slope of criminal activity and involvement wherein you get so deep into crime and conviction where crime becomes the only option to put food in ones mouth. The justice system really doesn't "work" except when it segregates the truly worthless from the rest of society by way of lifetime incarceration or the death penalty. I believe there is a significant number of people who are salvageable but get pushed into the death spiral of career douchebaggery due to the fact that all the system does is make them into pariahs by way of public record.

Beat peoples asses in the public square and they will figure it out. Meanwhile, they can get to figure it out without having to suffer starvation via background check.

Perhaps a goofy idea, but what we are currently doing is not working.

The Venerable Bogatir X wrote:In Minnesota, we have 'whiskey plates' for people who meet a certain and reasonable standard of DUI offense(s). This 'Scarlet Letter' lets cops know and also the public know the person behind the wheel has been convicted of driving drunk. I believe, anyone in the household who drives cars registered in the same address of the offender has to roll with whiskey plates too, i.e. you get pinched, your wife drives her ride with your whiskey plate, too. In reality, these, and all the steps that lead up to obtaining them are very expensive, so you'll see more of these plates in more affluent areas than 'da hood or a trailer park. Again, this is for either multiple offenses, being wasted, hurting someone, ect. .08 doesn't get you whiskey plates (but that's another $5k issue I've had more than a few friends go through).

With that said.....Minnesota is about as liberal/to the left as you'll get in the USA and no one bitches about the Whiskey Plate concept at all.

So, what if:

People convicted for certain crimes (violent felony, criminal possession of a weapon, sex offense, for examples) are made to wear an ankle bracelet upon parole/probation which would allow cops to put them at 'reasonable suspicion' and identifiable upon some sort of GPS ping? Anyone present with that person would also be subject to the same level of RS, if deemed appropriate. LOJACK for Thugs.

Let's face it: most of the people doing street crime do it repeatedly and get caught eventually if not often, and street crime is the pain point with profiling (yes, put car stops in that bucket, too). Tagging them like a friggin' fish will make them pariah's of sorts in the sense that if you're with them and not doing the up and up, you might get tossed, too, which might be a strong deterrent by way of eliminating a negative influence. Many more layers to this, obviously, but if we are going to take advantage of technology going the bodycam route, we might as well burn the other end of the big brother candle and 'Scarlet Letter' those who have proven themselves to be met with suspicion, at least for the term of their probation/parole.

Comments?

There are many conditions of parole. No reason this can't be one of them. Seems like it would free up the popo's time too. They'd no longer need to shake the entire hood tree to find a few bad apples. They can know right where they are at all times.

I wouldn't support it for those whose sentence is complete with the possible exception of sex offenders or crack house rat crazies.

I just think that leftist Minnesota has its whiskey plates and using similar standards for violent felons, seems doable.

Not saying they're 'tagged' for life, just for the duration of parole or probation or some shit like that. Gives 'em a better shot at NOT being incarcerated again or teaching others to take that path, is my guess.

Also, no one goes hungry in the hood unless they're misusing their welfare stipend. You're more likely to see hunger in a family not on public assistance in the US of A. It's not Jean Valjean feeding poor little Cosette with a loaf of boosted bread. I'm talking Robbery, weapons possession, sex crimes, that kind of shit, not the bullshit drug offenses or a larceny.

No disagreement in the slippery slope comments, but we have already slid in many ways. Again, it's no different from the whiskey plates I referenced, except the crimes would more than likely be more serious than DUI and the bracelet would be less conspicuous than the vehicle tags.

Can we deport all the niggers back to Africa? How would that affect the dynamics?

Kazuya Mishima wrote:Public lashings would be a better option to get people's attention and put them on the straight and narrow.

Seriously.

It will never happen because of the whole "cruel and unusual" bullshit. However, there is nothing more cruel and unusual than an 18 year old black kid catching a felony (over some bullshit weed possession charge) and remaining unemployable for the rest of his life because of the imaginary existential label of "convicted felon".

I really don't give a fuck about criminals and I'd just as soon see them chopped up into dog food. But...and this is a big but...there is a slippery slope of criminal activity and involvement wherein you get so deep into crime and conviction where crime becomes the only option to put food in ones mouth. The justice system really doesn't "work" except when it segregates the truly worthless from the rest of society by way of lifetime incarceration or the death penalty. I believe there is a significant number of people who are salvageable but get pushed into the death spiral of career douchebaggery due to the fact that all the system does is make them into pariahs by way of public record.

Beat peoples asses in the public square and they will figure it out. Meanwhile, they can get to figure it out without having to suffer starvation via background check.

Perhaps a goofy idea, but what we are currently doing is not working.

Preach on Brother Kaz!

But you should drop the athlete catching a felony over some booo-shit dope charge. That's dishonest pro-pot and Sharpton propaganda. It's just not the way it happens.

My dad had a wearable (ankle bracelet) for a DUI. Beats jail time.

A few points that cut the other way:

As to fairness

1) DUI has rates of recidivism that are known and quite high. This is in distinction to most other felonies: violent and non-violent.

2) The plates in question are "narrowly tailored" to achieve the goal: reduced DUI auto accidents. They are attached to vehicles and only seen when the vehicle is being driven and a threat to others from DUI.

As to practicality of enacting

3) DUIs are spread fairly evenly through society. Unlike other felonies.

4) Vicitms of DUIs are likewise spread fairly evenly with a preponderance being white.

5) Women have taken anti-DUI as a tribal cause (along with Rape and DV). They do not feel that way about other felonies.

Kazuya Mishima wrote:Can we deport all the niggers back to Africa? How would that affect the dynamics?

Murder would drop by at least 51%, we know that.

If it's a type of parole or probation, sure but if someone has done their time, I want ALL RIGHTS returned to them.

Fuck the plates too, if they are that bad, don't let them drive any more.

If they are so bad you think they are likely to commit another major crime, sentence them longer or kill more of them.

DARTH wrote:If it's a type of parole or probation, sure but if someone has done their time, I want ALL RIGHTS returned to them.

I completely agree with you, regardless of my mental masturbation concept (but not for Dishonorable Discharge from service).

The problem here is that I can not sub-vocalize either Kaz or Bogatir's names so they are more visual images of letters than sounds so I can not keep them straight in my head.

It's like reading a polish novel or some shit. One complicated ass name is pretty much the same as another complicated ass name.

FUCK

bennyonesix wrote:polish novel

The Shining?

bennyonesix wrote:The problem here is that I can not sub-vocalize either Kaz or Bogatir's names so they are more visual images of letters than sounds so I can not keep them straight in my head.

It's like reading a polish novel or some shit. One complicated ass name is pretty much the same as another complicated ass name.

FUCK

I skip over their names like I skip over poetry when I encounter it in a novel.

bennyonesix wrote:A few points that cut the other way:

As to fairness

1) DUI has rates of recidivism that are known and quite high. This is in distinction to most other felonies: violent and non-violent.

2) The plates in question are "narrowly tailored" to achieve the goal: reduced DUI auto accidents. They are attached to vehicles and only seen when the vehicle is being driven and a threat to others from DUI.

As to practicality of enacting

3) DUIs are spread fairly evenly through society. Unlike other felonies.

4) Vicitms of DUIs are likewise spread fairly evenly with a preponderance being white.

5) Women have taken anti-DUI as a tribal cause (along with Rape and DV). They do not feel that way about other felonies.

Were you on or off your meds when you posted this?

DARTH wrote:If it's a type of parole or probation, sure but if someone has done their time, I want ALL RIGHTS returned to them.

Fuck the plates too, if they are that bad, don't let them drive any more.

If they are so bad you think they are likely to commit another major crime, sentence them longer or kill more of them.

I'm logging off the Internet for the rest of the day as I typically do when I agree with anything that darph writes.

On probation or parole, I think the bracelets are a good idea. After that, not so much.

However, I don't think it's equivalent to the plates because Americans love their drunk driving nearly as much as they love their reality TV and fast food.

Phaedrus wrote:

bennyonesix wrote:A few points that cut the other way:

As to fairness

1) DUI has rates of recidivism that are known and quite high. This is in distinction to most other felonies: violent and non-violent.

2) The plates in question are "narrowly tailored" to achieve the goal: reduced DUI auto accidents. They are attached to vehicles and only seen when the vehicle is being driven and a threat to others from DUI.

As to practicality of enacting

3) DUIs are spread fairly evenly through society. Unlike other felonies.

4) Vicitms of DUIs are likewise spread fairly evenly with a preponderance being white.

5) Women have taken anti-DUI as a tribal cause (along with Rape and DV). They do not feel that way about other felonies.

Were you on or off your meds when you posted this?

I nkow right

bennyonesix wrote:

Phaedrus wrote:

bennyonesix wrote:A few points that cut the other way:

As to fairness

1) DUI has rates of recidivism that are known and quite high. This is in distinction to most other felonies: violent and non-violent.

2) The plates in question are "narrowly tailored" to achieve the goal: reduced DUI auto accidents. They are attached to vehicles and only seen when the vehicle is being driven and a threat to others from DUI.

As to practicality of enacting

3) DUIs are spread fairly evenly through society. Unlike other felonies.

4) Vicitms of DUIs are likewise spread fairly evenly with a preponderance being white.

5) Women have taken anti-DUI as a tribal cause (along with Rape and DV). They do not feel that way about other felonies.

Were you on or off your meds when you posted this?

I nkow right

JYES! It was nearly coherent and I needed to re-read who posted it. Whatever combination of meds, Taiwanese whisky and cheap beer you were on needs to be tried again.

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People get sentenced to life in prison. How about life with a wearable?