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Thud wrote: I guess I just can't relate to what's in it for Dan, if not in some sort of career sense? Yesterday Glasshole says they're friends, but the day before - some 20 or so months after the fact - he's STILL publicly defecating on him -- and saying he'd do it again!!!

Dan John wasn't removed for "not furiously defending crossfit", he was criticized for making profoundly misleading statements about his involvement with CF, and our influence on his professional work, and then passed up for a much more accomplished lifter and coach, Mark Rippetoe. It was all nettlesome, yet I'd do it again if circumstance presented itself similarly.

Comment #49 - Posted by: Coach at August 3, 2008 10:38 PM

If that's him on the eve of humility I'd hate to see him breeding spite.

Is this someone Dan really wants to be "friends" with?

And FWIW, I think Shaf and Fox, and anyone else who was a casualty of this or similar affairs, should also be reinstated with public apologies. Then one might assume that Cooch is a changed man, and redemption is already underway. But as it stands now, this reads to me like Glassman is merely EXPLOITING Dan's good nature as a quick fix to add luster to his own self-soiled image.

Gary John wrote:Since we lost a page or so, let me clarify my position with the whole Glasshole affair.

Nice that he finally talkied to my brother. Nice that my brother was nice.

Me, never forgive, never forget.

ab g-d wrote:CF Radio clip today. Idea for a show. Panel discussion - Coach, Twight, Me, DJ, Rant, Banned and Shaf. Any topic.

ab g-d wrote:CF Radio clip today. Idea for a show. Panel discussion - Coach, Twight, Me, DJ, Rant, Banned and Shaf. Any topic.

GoDogGo! wrote:

ab g-d wrote:CF Radio clip today. Idea for a show. Panel discussion - Coach, Twight, Me, DJ, Rant, Banned and Shaf. Any topic.

But without PL54 there will be no joy.

Gary John wrote:And this thread predates all those guys.

I was turned on to this during the January 2006 campaign.

ab g-d wrote:

GoDogGo! wrote:

ab g-d wrote:CF Radio clip today. Idea for a show. Panel discussion - Coach, Twight, Me, DJ, Rant, Banned and Shaf. Any topic.

But without PL54 there will be no joy.

I would of course welcome PL54, but he is not, as Rant was described in a recent thread confusing his blog (The Moynihan Institue) and Danny John's site (sometimes known as "The Murray Institute for Lifelong Fitness" or MILF), a "disaffected crossfitter". Therefore, He and Coach would be in the same boat, both having not really done CF.

Gary John wrote:I know you did, was respecting that.

ab g-d wrote:CF Radio clip today. Idea for a show. Panel discussion - Coach, Twight, Me, DJ, Rant, Banned and Shaf. Any topic.

Lawsuit alleges workout damaged health of former sailor
By Bryan Mitchell - [email protected]
Posted : August 18, 2008

MANASSAS, Va. — A lawsuit filed by a former sailor has raised concerns about the dangers of a workout regimen that is rapidly growing in popularity across the military.

The lawsuit, filed by former Information Systems Technician 1st Class Makimba Mimms in Prince William County, Va., Circuit Court late last year, seeks $500,000, as well as punitive damages, in connection with the permanent disability Mimms allegedly suffered as a result of performing the CrossFit workout under the direction of a trainer at a Manassas gym.

CrossFit, an intense strength and conditioning regimen, is practiced by thousands worldwide at dozens of ad-hoc clubs and is especially popular with military and law enforcement communities.

Neither CrossFit nor its founder, Greg Glassman, is listed as defendants in the lawsuit, but the word “CrossFit” appears dozens of times throughout the legal documents connected to the suit. Glassman could not be reached for comment.

The lawsuit is part of an emerging body of evidence that CrossFit may be damaging to participants’ health, perhaps even causing death — a possibility acknowledged by its founder as early as 2005.

Following a June story on the popularity of CrossFit in Military Times newspapers, Capt. Jonathan Picker, commander of the Navy’s Center for Personal and Professional Development, posted a story that raised concerns about CrossFit in the July issue of the center’s internal magazine.

“Several [experts] in the sports medicine field (military and civilian) have addressed a concern that the program has the potential for causing an increased incidence of musculoskeletal injuries and even muscle breakdown (rhabdomyoloysis) and therefore is not supported by [Navy Center for Personal and Professional Development],” the story states. “Granted, anyone can develop a program that’s very intense, but there’s a safer way of doing this for our sailors.” Picker could not be reached for comment.

Navy officials said studies are underway to examine CrossFit and its potential effects on service members, but those involved with the studies declined to discuss the specifics.

A section of Picker’s story was posted on a CrossFit Web site and subsequently mocked by some of CrossFit’s more strident advocates.

“You know what’s another excellent way to get a musculoskeletal injury?” one poster asked in reply to Picker’s assessment. “Getting shot because you can’t run fast enough with 50 [pounds] on your back!”

However, Glassman posted a warning on the CrossFit site in October 2005 labeled “CrossFit induced Rhabdo,” telling participants about the potential problems associated with the unforgiving workout, while Eugene Allen — a Washington State law enforcement officer who runs a CrossFit blog — posted an even less ambiguous warning in May 2005 titled “Killer Workouts.”

“With CrossFit, we are dealing with what is known as exertional rhabdomyolysis,” he wrote. “It can disable, maim and even kill.”

That’s what Mimms contends happened to him in one intense exercise session Dec. 11, 2005, in which, he said, he suffered injuries he has yet to recover from.

In the initial seven-page complaint filed Nov. 21, Mimms’ attorney, Phillip Walsh, contends that Manassas World Gym, Ruthless Training Concepts and Ruthless trainer Javier Lopez failed to exercise diligence before instructing an unprepared Mimms in performing CrossFit.

“The defendants, in concert with one another, entreated, promoted, encouraged and coached Mr. Mimms to perform and endure the extreme exertion prescribed by the CrossFit regimen,” court records state.

The suit claims Mimms suffered from rhabdomyolysis — which occurs when tiny shreds of muscle fiber are absorbed by the bloodstream and ultimately poison the kidneys — as a result of performing a CrossFit workout under the direction of Lopez, who worked as Ruthless Training Concepts trainer at the now-defunct Manassas World Gym.

Mimms, who was in the Navy for 11 years, got out in May and was not separated for medical reasons, declined to discuss the case, pending a trial slated to begin Oct. 6 in Manassas.

Lopez could not be reached for comment. However, statements made by Lopez to court officials during a pre-trial deposition indicate he was aware that “people who perform too intensely perhaps can undergo this rhabdomyolysis,” he said.

Ruthless Training Concepts, as well as attorneys representing Ruthless and Manassas World Gym, declined to comment on the suit.

Several physicians, including Walter Reed Army Medical Center neurophysiologist Lt. Col. Mark Landau, concluded that Mimms suffered severe injuries following his intense CrossFit workout, according to court records.

The injuries included rhabdomyolysis, lumbosacral spine strain and strain of the bilateral quadriceps, according to court documents. As a result of these injuries, Mimms was incapacitated, lost time from work and required surgery, court records show.

“[He] endured great mental and physical pain mental anguish and inconvenience,” court records state. “[He] has incurred and will in the future incur medical and related expenses, has sustained permanent disability.” The extent of his physical disability was not outlines in court documents.

Dr. Priscilla Clarkson of the University of Massachusetts contends that Lopez encouraged Mimms to perform exercises known to produce rhabdomyolysis. “Adequate precautions to prevent such a condition from occurring were not taken,” Clarkson wrote in documents prepared for the lawsuit.

Gray Cook, a physical therapist who consults with a host of NFL teams on strength and conditioning, said CrossFit is not dangerous unless performed by people not physically prepared for its intensity.

Cook stressed that he did not want to disparage CrossFit, and that the program has inherent benefits, such as keeping people active and preventing boredom by mixing up workouts. His concern is that novice participants don’t know what they’re getting into.

“Football players practice a lot more than they play for a reason,” Cook said. “You are not supposed to test drive the system as much as you tune it up.”

Mimms is certainly not the only service member to induce rhabdo with a strenuous workout. An article in the February/March 2008 issue of the Medical Surveillance Monthly Report, published by the Armed Forces Health Surveillance Center, indicates the ailment is on the rise across the services.

There were 114 cases of rhabdo across the military services in 2004, four of which required hospitalization. The number rose to 159 in 2007, including 34 that required hospital visits.

No individual cause is provided for the rise in the number of rhabdo cases, and CrossFit is not mentioned in the four-page article.

The articles states that troops struck with rhabdo are more likely to be from Army and Marine units, that cases tend to occur in the summer, and that blacks and other non-white service members are at a higher risk of suffering from the ailment.

Navy Wrestler Makimba Mimms claims permanent disability after kid's workout

"You know what’s another excellent way to get a musculoskeletal injury?” one poster asked in reply to Picker’s assessment. “Getting shot because you can’t run fast enough with 50 [pounds] on your back!”"