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I was thinking Flo as soon as I saw the title of this thread.protobuilder wrote:I know most of you faggots are over 50 and don't appreciate metal but here you go.
About time he was mentioned in this thread. One of the best in his time but he became a lazy git and was useless by 86 to the point that they needed another drummer and a percussionist on the Delecate Sound of Thunder tour. I have a very good friend who worked personal security for Gilmour on that tour and he said the mics on Mason's kit were not even run into the main board, just to the stage board and Mason's own monitors so he could hear himself play with his old band. Gilmour brought him along out of friendship and the cache of having 3 members of the Floyd so they could be billed as Pink Floyd and not Daivd Gilmour and Rick Wright of Pink Floyd.
Are you batshit crazy? Wait, don't answer that. ;-)DARTH wrote: (And I never judge by drum solos as drum solos are very Ghey)
Yes I know the difference between technical ability and musicianship.DARTH wrote:All due respect to Buddy Rich, who was a very talented drummr and an important part of the chain of the development of modern set drumming, he still played old folks music and 99%of all drum solos, no mater who is playing, suck and are beat off fest. Much like unaccompanied guitar solos I'm a guitarist but hate 80% of those.
Now Kreator, is this s thread that encompasses many factors, like how good the music they played on was in the first place? Technique, Style, Impact on those who came after ect? or are we just going on pure technique?
If it's pure technique than this would be a thread without most rock or metal drummers and nothing but jazz and Jazz Fussion drummers would be listed.
Yes I have played with drummers who find Pink Floyd borring, they are usually tech heads with all the feel of a $5 Whore. They can't hold back for the good of the song and they tend to be as subtle as a tweaked out elephant in a china shop. I always fired them PDQ for being uniteresting technicians over musicians.
See Peart is pretty technical but he makes it fit the song, the song dictates his technique and not the other way around and he, like Moon had an ability to "frame" the vocals, very rare in a drummer, most dont give a fuck if they can hear the singer and if they do it's usually for ques as to where in the song they are.
Why do only Guitar heads for the most part know who Yngvee Malmsteen is but most who have spun and LP know who Jimmy Page is? Because Yngvee had shit for songs, mostly a bunch of riffs and neoclassical sounding runs and interludes bundled with shit lyrics whereas Page had fucking songs that ment something. Many would consider Malmsteen the better player but if I had to chose between having Page's abilities versus Malmsteen's it's Page hands down. You could play like a mutherfawker and have the ability to write, arrange and collaberate on great songs that people have important memories with. With Malmsteen you could shred but most people who were into you look at you as a phase before getting into better music and most wont look at you at all.
That said every drummer on my list was beyond profficient but their rating is on a total package and not the speed of their paradiddles or double kick technique (Gene from Dark Angel had double kick from Hell, as you hear from him in Dethklock now.)
He was not a laime assed riff drummer he played for the fucking part. Have you ever seen Live at Pompeii? If you know fuck all about playing how ther fuck could you not give him his due for what he did in their early years? Now I did go on about how he became a lazy git and went to shit but in his prime he was fuking great as he did what a drummer is suppossed to do and play for the fucking song. No wI an remeber all kinds of beats and fills and his fills were allways to match the song. Watch Pompeii again and see if you can honestly say what you did. One Of These Days and Echoes fucking swing when he let's loose.kreator wrote:Yes I know the difference between technical ability and musicianship.DARTH wrote:All due respect to Buddy Rich, who was a very talented drummr and an important part of the chain of the development of modern set drumming, he still played old folks music and 99%of all drum solos, no mater who is playing, suck and are beat off fest. Much like unaccompanied guitar solos I'm a guitarist but hate 80% of those.
Now Kreator, is this s thread that encompasses many factors, like how good the music they played on was in the first place? Technique, Style, Impact on those who came after ect? or are we just going on pure technique?
If it's pure technique than this would be a thread without most rock or metal drummers and nothing but jazz and Jazz Fussion drummers would be listed.
Yes I have played with drummers who find Pink Floyd borring, they are usually tech heads with all the feel of a $5 Whore. They can't hold back for the good of the song and they tend to be as subtle as a tweaked out elephant in a china shop. I always fired them PDQ for being uniteresting technicians over musicians.
See Peart is pretty technical but he makes it fit the song, the song dictates his technique and not the other way around and he, like Moon had an ability to "frame" the vocals, very rare in a drummer, most dont give a fuck if they can hear the singer and if they do it's usually for ques as to where in the song they are.
Why do only Guitar heads for the most part know who Yngvee Malmsteen is but most who have spun and LP know who Jimmy Page is? Because Yngvee had shit for songs, mostly a bunch of riffs and neoclassical sounding runs and interludes bundled with shit lyrics whereas Page had fucking songs that ment something. Many would consider Malmsteen the better player but if I had to chose between having Page's abilities versus Malmsteen's it's Page hands down. You could play like a mutherfawker and have the ability to write, arrange and collaberate on great songs that people have important memories with. With Malmsteen you could shred but most people who were into you look at you as a phase before getting into better music and most wont look at you at all.
That said every drummer on my list was beyond profficient but their rating is on a total package and not the speed of their paradiddles or double kick technique (Gene from Dark Angel had double kick from Hell, as you hear from him in Dethklock now.)
That's why I didn't bash Keith Moon, Jon Bonham, or Mick Mitchell. Compared to today's drummers they weren't that amazing technically speaking but they were highly innovative, wrote songs, and actually made you remember drum beats to certain songs. Everybody knows the drum beat to "Fire", "Moby Dick", "Whole Lotta Love" or "Baba O'Reilly". How many memorable beats or fills do you think people can name from Pink Floyd?
I'll admit Pink Floyd wasn't quite as popular as LZ, Who, or JHE but they are still one of the most popular rock bands of all time.
So I'm sticking to my point. Nick Mason was neither innovative nor memorable nor technically adept. So I would hardly put him on a list of the greatest drummers of all time.
Yes you fucking do! You owe it to yourself before Lemmy has a fucking heart attack banging a Whore while whiffing Tweak.Bobby wrote:Just realized that I have to see Motorhead live someday.
I've also heard that argument made for Phil Rudd (AC\DC). Just because a drummer plays for the song doesn't mean he's one of the greatest drummers of all time.DARTH wrote: Now I did go on about how he became a lazy git and went to shit but in his prime he was fuking great as he did what a drummer is suppossed to do and play for the fucking song. No wI an remeber all kinds of beats and fills and his fills were allways to match the song.
I saw them about 8 years ago. Pretty good, but they opened for Dio and Iron Maiden so it's hard to be memorable in that setup. Not to mention the fact that they like turning the treble down and the mid up so you can barely understand the song. But still a good band.DARTH wrote:Yes you fucking do! You owe it to yourself before Lemmy has a fucking heart attack banging a Whore while whiffing Tweak.Bobby wrote:Just realized that I have to see Motorhead live someday.
They are two incredibly accomplished drummers so there's really nothing to compare
They are two incredibly accomplished drummers so there's really nothing to compareHymen Asshole wrote:
"A good man always knows his limitations..." -- "Dirty" Harry CallahanBlaidd Drwg wrote:90% of the people lifting in gyms are doing it on "feel" and what they really "feel" like is being a lazy fuck.
Lifeson does not get the credit he deserves beause Peart and Lee are such monsters and heros of their insturment, both insturments dont have the shear number of heros that the guitar does so to many they stand out more than he.The Crawdaddy wrote:There is simply a dearth of credit for Neil Peart's capabilities. In reality, the truth can be said for all three individually and for the band as a whole (just a little less so than for Peart as a drummer alone). My biased 2.5 centavos.
Tool is not at all my cup of tea, but that guy is smooth as hell. Nice post.cunch wrote:[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2t1lt99CWnA[/youtube]
