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DrDonkeyLove wrote:
nafod wrote:
powerlifter54 wrote:
nafod wrote:
Turdacious wrote:
nafod wrote:His refusal to accept the election results and therefore the will of the people... [-X
Depends on the results.
No it doesn't.

If at the end of the day the election is certified, it is by definition the will of the people. It's worked for 240 years, through multiple wars and some pretty nasty elections. Fuck Donald Trump.
Yeah that whole AlGore nonsense. Hard to believe anybody would question an election.
I missed the part where Al Gore called for pitchforks in the streets. I am sure some Dems were ready, as deplorables come in all political affiliations.

There is a process, the process was followed, the Supreme Court tossed it to GWB, Gore gracefully conceded. It is the case study in peaceful transfer of power.

That was *not* what Trump was talking about.
The Dems used the SC toss to Bush as a lever to delegitimize his presidency from day 1 until today. Should Trump lose a very tight race, his supporters will do the same thing to Clinton.

And, regarding "rigging", the plans are in place across the nation. Dems excel at voter fraud today as they always have and certain amongst them can't help themselves. Let's hope it's not so close that their rigging matters.

I have a prediction. Should it be a very close win by Trump, Dem hacks across the nation will unleash an unholy scream and swarms of lawyers to fight the "will of the people". The MSM will do a reverse take on "rigging" that's so swift it could cause spinal damage.
Gore was the presidential candidate, and he conceded. That is called leadership. What the dem minions did was a different thing.

If it is a close win by Trump, will he refuse to accept the results? Or is it only rigged if he loses? What a fucking whiner.

Let's be honest, shall we? The dems may do some frauding, I can't say they don't, although plenty of actual studies have tried and revealed our elections are amazingly fraud-free. At the same time, the repubs specialize in voter suppression via a whole slew of direct and indirect methods while wailing about pretty much insubstantiated rumors of election fraud. This has all been going on since forever, it is how the game is played, and yet somehow we conduct elections and accept results. Not just national elections, but thousands upon thousands of elections at the national, state, and local levels all the time. There are more than 3,000 counties in the USA. That is a shit-ton of elections with absolutely minimal whining and thousands of reaffirmation of faith in our imperfect but as good as it gets election process. Until piece of shit Trump.
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Yes I Have Balls wrote:
TerryB wrote:How come I never see Hillary supporters posting about her accomplishments or tangible leadership achievements?
There are Hillary supporters on IGX? Big if true.
Apparently, we have you. Perhaps you'd like to answer the challenge.
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DrDonkeyLove wrote:
nafod wrote:
powerlifter54 wrote:
nafod wrote:
Turdacious wrote:
nafod wrote:His refusal to accept the election results and therefore the will of the people... [-X
Depends on the results.
No it doesn't.

If at the end of the day the election is certified, it is by definition the will of the people. It's worked for 240 years, through multiple wars and some pretty nasty elections. Fuck Donald Trump.
Yeah that whole AlGore nonsense. Hard to believe anybody would question an election.
I missed the part where Al Gore called for pitchforks in the streets. I am sure some Dems were ready, as deplorables come in all political affiliations.

There is a process, the process was followed, the Supreme Court tossed it to GWB, Gore gracefully conceded. It is the case study in peaceful transfer of power.

That was *not* what Trump was talking about.
The Dems used the SC toss to Bush as a lever to delegitimize his presidency from day 1 until today. Should Trump lose a very tight race, his supporters will do the same thing to Clinton.

And, regarding "rigging", the plans are in place across the nation. Dems excel at voter fraud today as they always have and certain amongst them can't help themselves. Let's hope it's not so close that their rigging matters.

I have a prediction. Should it be a very close win by Trump, Dem hacks across the nation will unleash an unholy scream and swarms of lawyers to fight the "will of the people". The MSM will do a reverse take on "rigging" that's so swift it could cause spinal damage.
This "horserace" talk is shit. Trump is losing: VA, PA, WI, MI, CO, AND UT (of all fucking places!). Toss up states include: NV, AZ, FL, AND OH and now GA, TX, SC, and MO are just "leans" for Trump.

That's in the very reachable neighborhood of 350 Electoral Votes! Say goodnight Gracie!

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The Ginger Beard Man wrote:
Yes I Have Balls wrote:
TerryB wrote:How come I never see Hillary supporters posting about her accomplishments or tangible leadership achievements?
There are Hillary supporters on IGX? Big if true.
Apparently, we have you. Perhaps you'd like to answer the challenge.
You're either stupid or willfully ignorant. Or both. Which is it?


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Yes I Have Balls wrote:
The Ginger Beard Man wrote:
Yes I Have Balls wrote:
TerryB wrote:How come I never see Hillary supporters posting about her accomplishments or tangible leadership achievements?
There are Hillary supporters on IGX? Big if true.
Apparently, we have you. Perhaps you'd like to answer the challenge.
You're either stupid or willfully ignorant. Or both. Which is it?
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The Ginger Beard Man wrote:
Yes I Have Balls wrote:
The Ginger Beard Man wrote:
Yes I Have Balls wrote:
TerryB wrote:How come I never see Hillary supporters posting about her accomplishments or tangible leadership achievements?
There are Hillary supporters on IGX? Big if true.
Apparently, we have you. Perhaps you'd like to answer the challenge.
You're either stupid or willfully ignorant. Or both. Which is it?
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gay man's assessment of the debate:
Hair: I give to Hillary. His is a little wispy and so orange. Hers is full and amazingly sculpted. She has a football helmet thing going.

Clothing: Hillary's Battlestar Galactica Commander outfits are already the sensation of the fall season. And the Donald in the clichéd gray suit and red power tie has been pushed out of the ship and is sucking for sartorial air.

Make-up: Here I give the Golden Eyeliner to the Donald. Although we are painfully aware of all the work, it's not as harsh as Hillary's look. And so orange. The real Florida fruit.

Hillary 87.5
Donald 65
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The Ginger Beard Man wrote:
Yes I Have Balls wrote:
TerryB wrote:How come I never see Hillary supporters posting about her accomplishments or tangible leadership achievements?
There are Hillary supporters on IGX? Big if true.
Apparently, we have you. Perhaps you'd like to answer the challenge.
not that it will change any minds, but the election is over, so that's irrelevant

clinton was a well-regarded senator. this from a senior republican staffer. trump is a reality tv star, now keeping us in "suspense."

she was secretary of state. unlike the painfully inexperience trump, who suggested allowing the saudis, japanese, and n. koreans to have nukes.

her family established a foundation that has put tens of millions of dollars to work for poor people around the world. trump's foundation is operating fraudulently and has made illegal donations to influence elections and pay business fines. hillary personally has donated millions. donald has donated nothing for almost a decade.

under the heading leadership, her campaign is well-run. his campaign is chaotic.

she never started a fraudulent college. donald did, and deceitfully pimped it to the unsuspecting.

clinton hasn't had sex in about 25 years. donald has been trying to have sex during that period, often unsuccessfully, according to the women of his dreams.

clinton was able to outwit donald multiple times in the last debate, e.g. "no puppet, no puppet, you're the puppet." sad. so sad. such a loser.

or about her when she stung him for not paying taxes, "nasty woman," that was just the phrase he needed to employ to expand his appeal among women. such a double loser.

or the "emmy vote was rigged," which what a pathetic, whinging, failed, conceited triple losing fat man with fruit-colored hair and matching skin says when he is headed over the precipice.

surely you all heard the wet splat when he hit bottom.
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Holy Crap! Trump just burned down a charity dinner in NYC. To the ground.

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nafod wrote:
Turdacious wrote:
nafod wrote:His refusal to accept the election results and therefore the will of the people... [-X
Depends on the results.
No it doesn't.

If at the end of the day the election is certified, it is by definition the will of the people.
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DikTracy6000 wrote:Holy Crap! Trump just burned down a charity dinner in NYC. To the ground.
All I can say is that Maria Bartiromo won that dinner.
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All debates are over.
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DikTracy6000 wrote:Holy Crap! Trump just burned down a charity dinner in NYC. To the ground.
That was amazing.
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Now I’m told Hillary went to confession before tonight’s event, but the priest was having a hard time when he asked her about her sins, and she said she couldn’t remember 39 times.
I thought that one was quite good.
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dead man walking wrote:
The Ginger Beard Man wrote:
Yes I Have Balls wrote:
TerryB wrote:How come I never see Hillary supporters posting about her accomplishments or tangible leadership achievements?
There are Hillary supporters on IGX? Big if true.
Apparently, we have you. Perhaps you'd like to answer the challenge.
not that it will change any minds, but the election is over, so that's irrelevant

clinton was a well-regarded senator...

she was secretary of state...
But what did she do? This is the question Terry asked. And I'm asking it, too. And there simply isn't a positive answer. She was a do nothing senator (not necessarily a terrible thing to a libertarian leaning guy like me), and a disastrous Secretary of State.
Please, without saying "She's not Trump", state some sort of case on her behalf that goes beyond her resume (edit: jobs held) and shows me she's done something worthwhile.
Bonus points if you can convince me of a single core principle she holds dear, besides the will to power.

Without Trump to run against, she'd be sunk. The great failing of the debates is having only these two boobs on the stage. There are two other boobs running and they should be able to get on that stage and make a case. Instead we have the equivalent of two monkeys throwing shit at each other.
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POB3Dr0uonc[/youtube]
Just throwing this out there.
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Turdacious wrote:[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POB3Dr0uonc[/youtube]
Just throwing this out there.
Spot on.
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The Ginger Beard Man wrote:Please, without saying "She's not Trump", state some sort of case on her behalf that goes beyond her resume (edit: jobs held) and shows me she's done something worthwhile.
she's not trump.

the case for her is weak.

the case against him is bombproof, bulletproof, waterproof, fireproof, and childproof.

but as i've said before, it's all over.
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I know I'm late, but holy fuck Trump looked like a dipshit on the last debate. If Clinton would have kept her cool and stuck to her reasonable tone and rational agenda....

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The Ginger Beard Man wrote:
dead man walking wrote:
The Ginger Beard Man wrote:
Yes I Have Balls wrote:
TerryB wrote:How come I never see Hillary supporters posting about her accomplishments or tangible leadership achievements?
There are Hillary supporters on IGX? Big if true.
Apparently, we have you. Perhaps you'd like to answer the challenge.
not that it will change any minds, but the election is over, so that's irrelevant

clinton was a well-regarded senator...

she was secretary of state...
But what did she do?
My close-up view was of policy in East Africa while I was deployed. I traveled through a pile of countries, and my work involved close collaboration with DoS while it was on her watch.

I thought the approach over there was solid and competent. African solutions to African problems at the core of it, with money, intel, and the occasional smiting judiciously applied to ensure our side comes out ahead. It is almost a case of what didn't happen as much as what did. This approach has similarly worked for Philippines, Columbia, and a few other places where coordinated diplomacy and the occasional direct action takes place out of view. Someday someone will write a book...

I was 'outside the wire' a lot, and saw a lot of relaxing of the rules regarding comms to get the mission done too.

The Arab Spring - not predicted and it left us in a "try to pick a winner" mode. Do we go with the will of the people? Does that lead to a new Islamic Republic in whatever country is convulsing? Stick by our dictator? How much influence do we actually have anyway? I lot of people felt we should have stuck by Mubarak, as if we could have saved him. I think it was a "damned if you do..." moment.
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The Ginger Beard Man wrote: But what did she do?
It's a fair question and this article tries to answer it in kind. I don't expect it to silence critics or any such thing, it is what it is.

And, not to pivot too much, but fairly, what senators and SoS have had major accomplishments in recent times?
Google "senators with signature policy victories" and see what you come up with.

And what are the big things you want from Trump? Mass deportations, nuclear proliferation, mean 4am tweets about foreign dignitaries?

it's not like Trump (or anyone else) is going to end warfare, world hunger or climate change. And many (most?) conservatives would castigate/obstruct/impeach whoever could/would.

Anyway, back on point:

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/ ... ent-213157

‘It’s kind of hard to pick one accomplishment’

By Bill Burton, former senior strategist for Priorities USA Action, a super PAC in support of President Barack Obama.

It’s kind of hard to pick one accomplishment for Hillary Clinton. Personally, I’m sure she’d say her daughter and grandchild are her greatest accomplishments. Professionally, how about these three?

1. Her China speech on women.
2. Her role in killing Osama bin Laden.
3. Management of the State Department during which time we saw a 50 percent increase in exports to China, aggressive work on climate (particularly at Copenhagen), and the effort to create and implement the toughest sanctions ever on Iran—helping to lead us to the agreement currently on the table.

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‘The sanction on Iran that brought them to the table’

Howard Dean is the former governor of Vermont and the former chair of the Democratic National Committee.

Hillary Clinton was the principal author of the sanction on Iran that brought them to the table. We cannot afford any Know Nothings like Carly in the White House.

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‘Nearly every foreign policy victory of President Obama’s second term has Secretary Clinton’s fingerprints on it’

By Harry Reid, Senate Democratic leader.

American foreign policy was stronger when Hillary Clinton left the State Department than when she arrived. She took the reins from a Bush administration that had left America’s reputation deeply damaged and planted the seeds for the foreign policy successes we see today. From the agreement to prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon, to the landmark normalization of relations with Cuba, nearly every foreign policy victory of President Obama’s second term has Secretary Clinton’s fingerprints on it.

Her accomplishments extend to health care, as well. As First Lady, she helped create and guide through Congress Children’s Health Insurance Program, a key program that brought health care coverage to millions of children. As a Senator, she worked across the aisle to provide full military health benefits to reservists and National Guard members.

Secretary Clinton was also an outspoken champion for women around the world. She set records for travel while leading the State Department and used every trip to empower the women of the 112 countries she visited. She made gender equality a priority of U.S. foreign policy. And she created the ambassador at large for global women’s issues, a post charged with integrating gender throughout the State Department.

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‘The SCHIP program … which expanded health coverage to millions of lower-income children’

By Anita Dunn, Democratic political strategist.

After universal health care failed in 1994, the Clinton Administration was reluctant to go anywhere near healthcare again—Democrats lost the Senate and the House in 1994, and losing the house was for the first time in 40 years. Then-First Lady Hilary Clinton ended up being the White House ally and inside player who worked with Ted Kennedy and Orrin Hatch to create the SCHIP program in Clinton's second term, which expanded health coverage to millions of lower-income children. She has other accomplishments but this one made a huge difference, and came at a time when politically the Administration was cutting deals with Newt Gingrich on the budget and not necessarily all that enthusiastic about revisiting health care.

This obviously isn't her only accomplishment but it is meaningful because she took a political battering after the failure in 1994 but came back to fight again, and was able to work on a bipartisan basis during a very polarized time to get this done. Seems relevant!

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‘Clinton is one of the most accomplished people ever to run’

By Chuck Schumer, U.S. Senator for New York, Democratic party.

Hillary Clinton is one of the most accomplished people ever to run for the Presidency. I’m lucky enough to have seen those accomplishments up close from her time as Senator from New York and as Secretary of State. Hillary Clinton was instrumental in helping secure $21 billion in federal aid to help New York rebuild after 9/11. She fought tooth and nail to protect the first responders who rushed into danger when the towers collapsed and was pivotal in the passage of legislation that helped those first responders who got sick get the care and treatment they deserved. She worked night and day to protect and create jobs in New York, whether that was at the Niagara Falls Air Force base or the Center for Bioinformatics at the University of Buffalo. She also led the charge on the Lilly Ledbetter Pay Equity Act, which is now the law of the land.

As Secretary of State, Secretary Clinton was not only inspirational figure for billions of women around the globe, she also did much to restore the shattered credibility of the United States, which had lost so much influence following the failed foreign policies of the previous administration. She negotiated the cease-fire in Gaza that stopped the Hamas from firing rocket after rocket into Israel. She helped secure the START treaty’s ratification, and has advanced women’s rights in countries around the globe. That’s just a snapshot of what Hillary Clinton has accomplished over a lifetime of public service to New York and the country. If you really want to stump a Democrat, you should ask them which of Hillary’s accomplishments is your favorite—there are too many to choose from

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‘Rebuilding America’s leadership and prestige overseas after the Bush years’

Bill Richardson is a former secretary of energy and governor of New Mexico.

As Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton was key in rebuilding America’s leadership and prestige overseas after the Bush years. She restored our alliances with the EU and key Asian allies as well as key relationships in Africa and Latin America.

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‘The Pediatric Research Equity Act’

By Chris Dodd, former U.S. Senator for Connecticut, Democratic party.

Having worked with her in the Senate and on the HELP Committee, the first thing that came to mind was her authorship of the Pediatric Research Equity Act. This law requires drug companies to study their products in children. The Act is responsible for changing the drug labeling of hundreds of drugs with important information about safety and dosing of drugs for children. It has improved the health of millions of children who take medications to treat diseases ranging from HIV to epilepsy to asthma. Millions of kids are in better shape and alive because of the law Senator Clinton authored.

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‘Crippling sanctions against Iran’

By Paul Begala, political analyst for CNN and counselor to President Bill Clinton.

Easy: Iran sanctions. Sec. Clinton accomplished the nearly impossible mission of getting China, Russia, the European Union and the civilized world on board with crippling sanctions against Iran. This is what brought Iran to the negotiating table.

Ms. Fiorina may not see that as an accomplishment, since while she was CEO of Hewlett-Packard the firm sold hundreds of millions of dollars of computer products the the terrorist regime in Tehran, evading US sanctions.
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‘Clinton struck major and consequential diplomatic achievements’

By Bill Scher, senior writer at the Campaign for America’s Future.

Hillary Clinton has four major accomplishments from her tenure as Secretary of State: winning the UN resolution supporting military intervention in Libya, the New START arms control treaty with Russia, renewing diplomatic ties with Myanmar and setting in the motion talks that culminated in the Iran nuclear deal.

We don't see the Clinton campaign or other Democrats leap to cite most of these accomplishments because they come with degrees of future uncertainty and, in the case of Libya, associations with the tangentially related Benghazi attack. But they are significant accomplishments nonetheless.

Clinton is often mocked for failing to “reset” relations with Russia. But the New START treaty is being followed and helping contain tensions. She won Russia’s support for UN sanctions on Iran that helping bring the rogue state to the negotiating table. And she cajoled Russia to abstain on the Libyan resolution, which was critical to securing its passage in the UN Security Council. (In fact, she may have “reset” too well. Vladimir Putin, who was not President at the time, opposed the resolution and that may have contributed to his decision to reclaim his post.)

The aftermath of that Libyan intervention has been messy, with rival governments fracturing the country, although unity talks are currently taking place. Myanmar has not been perfect either. The promise of released political prisoners has only been partially filled. And the military is being accused of manipulating the upcoming general election. Still the participation of the previously banned National League for Democracy party is a step forward.

These are reminders that, in the real world, progress is often halting. But the fact remains that Clinton struck major and consequential diplomatic achievements, even if the final historical judgment on their lasting impact is years away.

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‘I’ve seen, first-hand, her exceptional work at every level’

By Patrick Leahy, U.S. Senator for Vermont, Democratic party.

I’ve seen, first-hand, her exceptional work at every level—when she was in the White House as First Lady; later, when we were partners and neighbors as senators; and after that, when she was Secretary of State.

Just one example, which is one of her enduring legacies as First Lady, was her partnership with Congress in developing the Children’s Health Insurance Program (CHIP), which has improved access to essential health care for millions of kids.

In the Senate we worked together on efforts to clean up Lake Champlain and to help Vermont’s and New York’s family farmers. She was at the center of securing help for New York’s 9/11 first responders. We worked together in enacting the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, which was the first bill signed into law by President Obama. I was chairman of the State Department’s budget committee when she was Secretary of State, and I worked closely with her—week to week, and sometimes day to day—on a wide, wide range of issues and challenges, from human rights to global health. We traveled together to Haiti as we worked to help that country recover from the devastation of the earthquake. She had a leading role in securing tougher sanctions on Iran. We worked together to successfully overcome obstruction by House Republicans of the funding she requested to improve embassy security around the world. Some of her most important achievements were her steady, methodical efforts, with the President, to help reintroduce America to the world after the diplomatic setbacks under the previous administration.

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‘She was the point person … compelling the Chinese to commit to cutting carbon emissions.’

By David Axelrod, former Senior Advisor to President Barack Obama.

When I was there, she played a very active role in rallying the world behind the global sanctions against Iran that brought them to the table over their nuclear program. She was the point person in Copenhagen in compelling the Chinese to commit to cutting carbon emissions. She personally negotiated a ceasefire between Israel and Hamas. Those are a few that come to mind.

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‘The Adoption and Safe Families Act’

By Neera Tanden, President of the Center for American Progress.

As First Lady, Hillary was the point person in the Clinton Administration on the Adoption and Safe Families Act of 1997, a bill that refocused adoption policies on the needs of the children, made it easier to remove children from abusive situations, provided support and services to adoptive families, and encouraged adoption of children with special needs. The bill increased foster adoptions by 64 percent by 2002.

Hillary helped develop the idea behind this bill, first writing about it in a 1995 article. She went on to work with Republicans and Democrats in Congress, including moderate Rhode Island Republican John Chafee, to see the bill through to final passage, helping broker compromises to ensure the bill’s passage.

This was not a big bill that dominated headlines. But for every child who was placed in a loving home because of this legislation, Hillary’s work was more than an accomplishment on a resume; it was an important part of the reason their lives were better.

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‘Clinton has at every turn fought for progress and opportunity’

By Tracy Sefl, former senior advisor to Ready for Hillary.

Willful ignorance: that is what fuels this Republican talking point. The scope and significance of Hillary Clinton's work far exceeds a cable-ready soundbite, so perhaps in that regard Republicans find it easier to resort to an untruth. (After all, as we all saw Wednesday night at the Reagan Library, these are the science deniers.)

The reality is that Hillary Clinton has at every turn fought for progress and opportunity. As her campaign continues, she'll continue to share exactly what those fights have entailed, and for who—domestically, on behalf of children, veterans, active military, first responders, victims of gender-based violence, family caregivers, pregnant women. As Secretary of State, she helped restore America's standing during challenging times, meaning that her tireless diplomatic efforts brought forth progress with tougher sanctions, missile reduction treaties, ceasefires and strengthened international coalitions. And critically, her core belief—that the improved lives of women and girls worldwide will leads to stronger and safer economies—is proving to be transformational in the 21st Century.

If this is what Republicans are leaning on as their key argument against Hillary Clinton, they are insulting the intelligence of the electorate. Argue with her about her record (it's clear she’d welcome that!), but don't deny its existence.

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‘The new START Treaty’

By Hilary Rosen, a Democratic strategist.

Hillary Clinton, as Secretary of State, led the negotiations that led to the new START Treaty, a landmark revision of our nuclear arms agreement with Russia. It received bipartisan support in Congress and represents a critical leg in our national security and a safer world.

Carly Fiorina said in the debate that she would dump that treaty to show her strength to Putin. That isn’t showing strength—that is just a dumb way to threaten global nuclear war.

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‘A relentless advocate for women and children’

By Douglas Schoen, pollster for President Bill Clinton.

Hillary Clinton has been a relentless advocate for women and children. Throughout her long career in public office, she has championed women's reproductive rights as well as establishing the importance of early education. Clinton played a critical role in the creation of the Adoption and Safe Families Act. Furthermore, as an equal pay proponent, Clinton introduced the Paycheck Fairness Act as well as the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act. On the campaign trail in 2015, she has stayed true to her staunch belief in gender equality, especially in the workplace, by championing a raise in the minimum wage as well as supporting policies like paid sick leave and maternity leave.

Going forward, Clinton needs to continue to emphasize these cornerstone issues for her as well as focus on economic growth. We can't know what a Hillary Clinton presidency will look like without hearing clearly and explicitly how she will create jobs, foster and protect innovation and support the entrepreneurs that drive our economy.

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‘Galvanizing the Senate after the tragedy of 9/11’

By Barbara Boxer, U.S. Senator for California, Democratic party.

Carly Fiorina wishes she had accomplished in a lifetime what Hillary Clinton has accomplished in any given year--from leading efforts to impose the toughest Iran sanctions in history to making women's rights central to our foreign policy to galvanizing the Senate after the tragedy of 9/11 to rebuild the city and take care of our brave first responders.

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‘A ‘smart power’ diplomacy’

By Harold Koh, former Legal Adviser of the Department of State.

As Secretary, Hillary Clinton defined and tried consistently to implement a “smart power” diplomacy that combines diplomacy, development, aid, rule of law and private initiatives with limited applications of hard power to project U.S. global leadership abroad. In an age where our hard power resources are limited and near exhaustion, her approach is a much more promising than the Republicans’ to addressing our hardest global problems in the years ahead.

The Iran nuclear deal, the multilateral trade talks and the climate change negotiations are only three current concrete examples of that approach in action.

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‘She helped hold together the Presidency and the country’

By Dennis Kucinich, former U.S. Representative from Ohio.

When the Clinton Administration was under attack and facing impeachment, Hillary Clinton slowed great courage, fortitude and perseverance. She helped hold together the Presidency and the country by virtue of her steadfastness and determination. Her conduct revealed an extraordinary resilience and grace under pressure, which are the hallmarks of a strong leader. Even more than her considerable work on health and education, her effort to be a unifying force at that time was important for America.

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‘The world is safer and people are more free thanks to Hillary Clinton’

By Donna Brazile, Democratic strategist and contributor to CNN and ABC News.

Republican attacks on Hillary Clinton’s record are laughable. And I’m old enough to remember when Carly Fiorina praised Hillary for having “devoted her life to public service” and pointed out that she’s an “inspiration for many women.”

As Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton was instrumental in building an international coalition around the toughest regime of sanctions against Iran in history. On the world stage, she is an unmatched leader. She went to Beijing 20 years ago and declared that women’s rights are human rights. More recently, she stood before representatives of nations like Russia and Uganda and stated boldly that gay rights are human rights, too. Today, the world is safer and people are more free thanks to Hillary Clinton.

Here at home, from her very first job out of law school—at the Children’s Defense Fund—Hillary Clinton has delivered results for Americans most at risk of discrimination and restricted opportunity. As First Lady, she championed healthcare reform at the comprehensive level and through SCHIP for children living in poverty. In the Senate she fought to raise the minimum wage, she stood up for 9/11 first responders and she was a tireless advocate for legislation to protect and expand the right to vote.

Fiorina may disagree with Clinton on the issues, but she is wrong to dismiss the record of a woman who made progress possible here in this country and around the world

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nafod wrote:
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the dems may have fucked up, but the r's fu
His refusal to accept the election results and therefore the will of the people... [-X
Proof you can go to the USNA and still be a dumb fuck.

Gee, Trump points out some brutal truths about our system and then Wallace,a Murdoch cunt hits him with that BS question. Oh after he points out the corruption he's supposed to say " Oh sure, I'll go with it!" Fuicking stupid. If it looks like there was a fast one pulled, he'd be shitting on all those who support him and the fucking truth if he just threw his handfs up. Spare me the Nixon did it shit, he was a fool for doing so, he let a crime go unchallenged.

If the Dems were stealing an election, this is how to do it in plain sight.

So they set up this question and situation and as soon as the debate was over that's all they wanted to hammer on.




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DARTH wrote:
nafod wrote:
Turdacious wrote:[quote=
the dems may have fucked up, but the r's fu
His refusal to accept the election results and therefore the will of the people... [-X
Proof you can go to the USNA and still be a dumb fuck.
Uhhh, I didn't go to USNA. =;
Gee, Trump points out some brutal truths about our system and then Wallace,a Murdoch cunt hits him with that BS question. Oh after he points out the corruption he's supposed to say " Oh sure, I'll go with it!" Fucking stupid.
Timely. I was just reading this post from a former republican election administrator in Virginia. Your state.
Trump continually mischaracterizes a 2012 Pew Report that talks about how flawed voter registration systems are across the country. Pew notes that millions of voter registrations are out of date, 1.8 million deceased individuals have not yet been removed from the poll books, and 2.75 million people have registrations in more than one state.

...Trump does, however, creates the impression that these millions of deceased individuals are voting, that the millions who have uncancelled registrations in former states where they lived are voting those registrations, and this is having an impact on national election outcomes. That’s just not true.

To be clear: voter fraud and election fraud are real. I’ve seen it with my own eyes, I’ve investigated it with my own eyes, and I’ve forwarded examples of it for prosecution. But the one thing I learned through this process is that fraud is not endemic, and it is not partisan – in my investigation of a small number of apparent double voters, there were Democrats, Republicans and Independent registered voters (we were looking specifically at double voting between Virginia and Maryland, and Maryland registers people by party). Fraud happens on both sides of the aisle. This year, we saw a Democratic operative trying to register dead people to vote in Harrisonburg. Three years ago, we had a Republican operative destroying voter registration applications, also in Harrisonburg. Both sides don’t have clean hands in this debate.

The Constitution leaves the manner of choosing electors for President up to the states. It also leaves the time, place and manner of elections for federal office up to the states. This has resulted in a patchwork quilt of laws and traditions, voting systems, hours, and the like across the country. This patchwork quilt, where almost no two localities have the same systems and practices, is the best defense against a rigged national election. Someone wishing to rig the election would need to target specific counties in specific battleground states, figure out how to cheat the specific systems in place in those counties, get past all the security and the multiple layers of observers in those counties, and pray that every election watcher is looking the other way. It’s next to impossible in the modern era, where everybody has a phone in their hands and a camera on their phone.
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Oh, you dragged out the writings of one of Jim Moran's RINO, establishment shits?


No, if you can't see what is in play, you never will. He brought it up and then Wallace asked him a block in question and the outrage narrative was all ready to go because they knew he was not going to be a sucker and say " Even though we see a lot to be concerned about with our elections, I am going to abide by whatever I am told."




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