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My prognoses are failed.
As usual.

It's weird watching Glenn Greenwald and Edward Snowden (who mocked international fears of invasion) so obviously shill for Russia at this point. When Citizen Four came out and the IC community was accusing these two of being Russian shills, I thought they were obviously lying about them. I can't tell if they changed or if the IC people were right all along.

Wild Bill wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 2:48 pm

nafod wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 2:43 pm Again, do you have any Ukrainian friends? What do they think?

No, I have not any Ukrainian friends.
Do you have Syrian or Lybian friends?

Yes to both, students at the school here. Neither thought much Gaddafi or Assad. The Syrian in particular had to escape the genocide.

Grandpa's Spells wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 4:22 pm It's weird watching Glenn Greenwald and Edward Snowden (who mocked international fears of invasion) so obviously shill for Russia at this point. When Citizen Four came out and the IC community was accusing these two of being Russian shills, I thought they were obviously lying about them. I can't tell if they changed or if the IC people were right all along.

Snowden went to Russia. What more do you need to know?

nafod wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 4:38 pm

Wild Bill wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 2:48 pm

nafod wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 2:43 pm Again, do you have any Ukrainian friends? What do they think?

No, I have not any Ukrainian friends.
Do you have Syrian or Lybian friends?

Yes to both, students at the school here. Neither thought much Gaddafi or Assad. The Syrian in particular had to escape the genocide.

Liar :)
I ment those who leave in Syria or Lybia.
Not those who live in USA :))
Such ukrainians who live in Russia and support Putin are millions :)

My own surname ends with o, so maybe I am ukrainian myself.

And stop this nonsense, I didn't gave these orders.
I was sure invasion is fake, and I told so already many pages.

I personally thought just recognizing independense would be great idea.

Wild Bill wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 5:40 pm I personally thought just recognizing independense would be great idea.

Whatever, it's not your job to defend Putin's decisions. My only hope is that our country stays out of it.

Fat Cat wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 5:44 pm

Wild Bill wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 5:40 pm I personally thought just recognizing independense would be great idea.

Whatever, it's not your job to defend Putin's decisions.

Yes, it is. It literally is his job. Who knows how many other places he's on, posting Russian propaganda.

On the"we did it because NATO was going to attack us" line of thinking, NATO should attack from the NATO Baltic countries that actually border Russia while most of Russia's fighting power is busy invading a non-NATO country, am I right?

Except that Russia has nukes, and NATO would never invade for that reason alone.

Stay safe, WB

Absolutely disgusted by the world-historic incompetence of the neoliberals being revealed.

An entire generation of US Mil High Command and State Dept leaders just said fuck the global order I'm after that sweet cash out post career. They just let it all go.

Just so everyone is clear where we are. Putin spent decades slowly and carefully converting RUS into a nation capable of opposing the US world order and we completely failed to stop him. And now he is putting us to the test.

He knows what SWIFT is. He knows what sanctions are.

An absolute total disaster at this point.

Bennyonesix1 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 6:32 pm An entire generation of US Mil High Command and State Dept leaders just said fuck the global order I'm after that sweet cash out post career. They just let it all go.

Obama destroyed the culture of the military by purging people for being insufficiently sensitive to the neolib agenda. Trump destroyed the State Department. Can you blame people for saying the hell with it, when they see that the way forward in Washington is the revolving door?

motherjuggs&speed wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 6:47 pm

Bennyonesix1 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 6:32 pm An entire generation of US Mil High Command and State Dept leaders just said fuck the global order I'm after that sweet cash out post career. They just let it all go.

Obama destroyed the culture of the military by purging people for being insufficiently sensitive to the neolib agenda. Trump destroyed the State Department. Can you blame people for saying the hell with it, when they see that the way forward in Washington is the revolving door?

The entire neoliberal (which includes neocons obv) project was pursued by both parties since Bush I.

Well, if we take the Progressive movement as the start, we could say it began with Teddy Roosevelt. But there was a time not that long ago when career government employees thought, with justification, that if they did the right things they would be taken care of. Now people know that you might as well get on the gravy train since you might get purged anyway.

The ones not on the gravy train got purged. Bush I was the point where they completed Institutional control.

Well SWIFT is off the table already.

Putin prob pissed they left him in.

Let's talk about something important: Where can I put a bet down? Looking for over/under on the body count but I'll take props if I see a line I like.

I just got off a zoom with a guy whose mother in law lives in St Petersburg and brother in law lives in Odessa. Not a lot of talk about work on the call.

A few thoughts...

1. This has been in planning since 2014 at least.

2. Trump was Putin's preferred candidate because he calculated that Trump would offer less opposition to the re-absorption of Ukraine.

3. This is Obama's fault and, stated more broadly, the fault of the Democratic Party, which has behaved like drunken lunatics in foreign policy since the early 1990s, and more recently agitating for anti-Russian paranoia which has

4. This invasion has been underwritten by China, who will be Russia's economic partner, helping it to weather the storm of economic hardship to follow the current strife.

5. You are witnessing Russia at a tipping point: it will either become the 3rd global power--extremely unlikely, but possible--or it will become a client state to China, good for white women and raw materials.

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Fat Cat wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 9:03 pm
3. This is Obama's fault and, stated more broadly, the fault of the Democratic Party, which has behaved like drunken lunatics in foreign policy since the early 1990s, and more recently agitating for anti-Russian paranoia which has

In geopolitics the Dems have been consistent in emitting incendiary rhetoric without any credible action or threat of action. The Reps have been awful also -- evil empire, axis of evil, etc.. One could almost draw the conclusion that they're trying to incite military action.

I like Michael Weiss's line -- it's hard to tell where paranoid conspiracy theories end and actual U.S. policy begins.