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from votes at CBR...thoughts?

http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.co ... ster-list/

I remember Nocenti and JRJ's Daredevil run being pretty impressive. Not Frank Miller good, but good.

The list, for non link clickers (alot more detail in the links at the site)


100. Daniel Clowes’ Eightball – 83 points

99. Jim Steranko’s Nick Fury – 84 points

98. Stan Lee and Jack Kirby’s Thor/Tales of Asgard – 89 points (2 first place votes)

97. Terry Moore’s Strangers in Paradise – 90 points

96. Jack Cole’s Plastic Man – 91 points

95. Peter David’s 1st Run on X-Factor – 92 points (1 first place vote)

94. Gail Simone’s Secret Six – 94 points (1 first place vote)

93. Chris Claremont’s New Mutants – 95 points

92. Frank Miller’s Sin City – 96 points (2 first place votes)

91. Chris Ware’s Acme Novelty – 97 points (1 first place vote)

90. John Layman and Rob Guillory’s Chew – 98 (1)

89. Mark Waid and Mike Wieringo’s Fantastic Four – 99

88. Joe Hill and Gabriel Rodriguez’s Locke and Key – 100 (3)

87. Dan Slott’s Amazing Spider-Man – 102

86. Bryan Lee O’Malley’s Scott Pilgrim – 103

85. Keith Giffen and Tom and Mary Bierbaum’s Legion – 104 points (2 first place votes)

84. Alan Moore, Zander Cannon and Gene Ha’s Top 10 – 105 points (1 first place vote)

83. Kazuo Koike & Goseki Kojima’s Lone Wolf and Cub – 106 points (5 first place votes)

82. Ed Brubaker, Michael Lark and Stefano Gaudiano’s Daredevil – 107 points (2 first place votes)

81. Ed Brubaker and Sean Phillips’ Criminal – 108 points

80. Joe Kelly’s Deadpool – 111 points (1 first place vote)

79. Jim Starlin’s Warlock – 112 points

78. Rick Remender’s Uncanny X-Force – 113 points

77. Larry Hama’s G.I. Joe: A Real American Hero – 114 points (4 first place votes)

76. Denny O’Neil and Denys Cowan’s The Question – 115 points (2 first place votes)

75. Kieron Gillen’s Journey Into Mystery – 116 points (4 first place votes)

74. Stan Lee and Steve Ditko’s Doctor Strange – 117 points (1 first place vote)

73. Peter Milligan and Mike Allred’s X-Force/X-Statix – 118 points

72. Scott Snyder, Greg Capullo and Jonathan Clapion’s Batman – 119 points (2 first place votes)

71. Mark Waid’s Daredevil – 120 points

70. Geoff Johns’ JSA – 121 points (3 first place votes)

69. Denny O’Neil and Neal Adams’ Batman – 122 points

68. Warren Ellis, Bryan Hitch and Paul Neary’s Authority – 123 points

67. Alan Moore and J.H. Williams III’s Promethea – 124 points (3 first place votes)

66. David Michelinie and Bob Layton’s Iron Man – 125 points

65. Warren Ellis and Stuart Immonen’s Nextwave –128 points

64. Denny O’Neil and Neal Adams’ Green Lantern (co-starring Green Arrow) – 129 points

63. Will Eisner’s The Spirit – 131 points (2 first place votes)

62. John Byrne’s Superman – 134 points (3 first place votes)

61. Ed Brubaker, Matt Fraction and David Aja’s Immortal Iron Fist – 143 points

60. Robert Kirkman, Cory Walker and Ryan Ottley’s Invincible – 149 points (5 first place votes)

59. Brian Michael Bendis’ Avengers – 152 points (1 first place vote)

58. Alan Grant and Norm Breyfogle’s Batman – 154 points (3 first place votes)

57. John Ostrander and Tom Mandrake’s The Spectre – 155 points (3 first place votes)

56. John Ostrander’s Suicide Squad – 158 points (1 first place vote)

55. Steve Englehart and Marshall Rogers’ Detective Comics – 161 points (3 first place votes)

54. Carl Barks’ Duck comics – 167 points (1 first place vote)

53. Garth Ennis and John McCrea’s Hitman – 168 points (1 first place vote)

52. Jonathan Hickman’s FF – 171 points (3 first place votes)

51. Jack Kirby’s Fourth World – 176 points (2 first place votes)

50. Brian K. Vaughan and Tony Harris’ Ex Machina – 184 points

49. Peter David’s 2nd Run on X-Factor – 189 points (2 first place votes)

48. Kurt Busiek and Brent Anderson’s Astro City – 198 points (2 first place votes)

47. Paul Levitz, Keith Giffen and Larry Mahlstedt’s Legion of Super-Heroes – 201 points (5 first place votes)

46. Dave Sim and Gerhard’s Cerebus – 203 points (10 first place votes)

45. Grant Morrison’s Invisibles – 204 points (4 first place votes)

44. Roger Stern and John Romita Jr.’s Amazing Spider-Man – 214 points (1 first place vote)

43. Brian Azzarello and Eduardo Risso’s 100 Bullets -226 points (5 first place votes)

42. Roger Stern’s Avengers – 228 points (4 first place votes)

41. Jeff Smith’s Bone – 230 points (2 first place votes)

40. Los Bros Hernandez’s Love and Rockets – 231 points (8 first place votes)

39. Mike Mignola’s Hellboy – 247 points (6 first place votes)

38. Alan Moore’s Marvelman/Miracleman – 254 points (6 first place votes)

37. Stan Lee and John Romita’s Spider-Man – 262 points (3 first place votes)

36. Mark Waid’s Flash – 263 points (6 first place votes)

35. Mark Millar and Bryan Hitch’s Ultimates – 265 points (2 first place votes)

34. Brian K. Vaughan and Adrian Alphona’s Runaways – 272 points (6 first place votes)

33. Jason Aaron and R.M. Guera’s Scalped – 289 points (4 first place votes)

32. Grant Morrison’s Doom Patrol – 333 points (8 first place votes)

31. Warren Ellis, Darick Robertson and Rodney Ramos’ Transmetropolitan – 336 points (6 first place votes)

30. Greg Rucka and Ed Brubaker’s Gotham Central – 340 points (8 first place votes)

29. Kurt Busiek and George Perez’s Avengers – 342 points (6 first place votes)

28. Robert Kirkman, Tony Moore and Charlie Adlard’s Walking Dead – 351 points

27. Bill Willingham, Mark Buckingham and Steve Leialoha’s Fables – 358 points (4 first place votes)

26. Peter David’s Incredible Hulk – 365 points (7 first place votes)

25. Garth Ennis’ Punisher – 380 points (5 first place votes)

24. John Byrne’s Fantastic Four – 381 points (4 first place votes)

23. Grant Morrison’s Animal Man – 393 points (6 first place votes)

22. Ed Brubaker’s Captain America – 445 points (8 first place votes)

21. Joss Whedon and John Cassaday’s Astonishing X-Men – 463 points (8 first place votes)

20. Keith Giffen and J.M. DeMatteis’ Justice League – 474 points (8 first place votes)

19. Warren Ellis and John Cassaday’s Planetary – 489 points (8 first place votes)

18. Geoff Johns’ Green Lantern – 498 points (11 first place votes)

17. Brian Michael Bendis’ Ultimate Spider-Man – 501 points (6 first place votes)

16. Brian Michael Bendis and Alex Maleev’s Daredevil – 514 points (7 first place votes)

15. Chris Claremont’s Solo X-Men – 533 points (14 first place votes)

14. Marv Wolfman and George Perez’s New Teen Titans – 560 points (13 first place votes)

13. Grant Morrison’s New X-Men – 584 points (9 first place votes)

12. Grant Morrison’s JLA – 607 points (7 first place votes)

11. James Robinson’s Starman – 637 points (22 first place votes)

10. Walter Simonson’s Thor – 701 points (16 first place votes)

9. Garth Ennis and Steve Dillon’s Preacher – 792 points (22 first place votes)

8. Grant Morrison’s Batman – 830 points (27 first place votes)

7. Frank Miller and Klaus Janson’s Daredevil – 838 points (17 first place votes)

6. Stan Lee and Steve Ditko’s Amazing Spider-Man – 849 points (24 first place votes)

5. Brian K. Vaughan, Pia Guerra and Jose Marzan’s Y the Last Man – 855 points (23 first place votes)

4. Stan Lee and Jack Kirby’s Fantastic Four – 863 points (29 first place votes)

3. Alan Moore’s Swamp Thing – 1184 points (27 first place votes)

2. Chris Claremont, John Byrne and Terry Austin’s X-Men – 1233 points (39 first place votes)

1. Neil Gaiman’s Sandman – 1375 points (45 first place votes)

Turdacious wrote:I remember Nocenti and JRJ's Daredevil run being pretty impressive. Not Frank Miller good, but good.

Daredevil is on the list 4 times. gotta be one of the most consistently good comics over the years.

snatch grip wrote:

Turdacious wrote:I remember Nocenti and JRJ's Daredevil run being pretty impressive. Not Frank Miller good, but good.

Daredevil is on the list 4 times. gotta be one of the most consistently good comics over the years.

I liked Nocenti's writing on Daredevil (not so much anywhere else)-- it got me reading the earlier runs. JRJ's art was incredible.

No fucking way Claremont deserves to be on that list!

Sandman was good but not as good as the emo kids make it out to be.

And fuck that pussy Yorick. That faggot shouldn't have lived past the first issue.

Fucking Y?! Nigger please.

Ed Zachary wrote:No fucking way Claremont deserves to be on that list!

Sandman was good but not as good as the emo kids make it out to be.

I haven't read much of the Claremont stuff but i'm about halfway through Sandman and it's definitely the best comic i've ever read.

What would be in your top 5?

I don't have one. This shit is subjective.

Don't get me wrong Sandman is great but not worthy of the GOAT title.

HIghly subjective. One thing I know for sure...in 1966 Steranko's Nick Fury (#99) was a complete disconnect-- a quantum leap-- from anything this 11 year-old had ever seen before.

Jeezus fucking christ on a cock. Y? Really? What in the fuck is wrong with people?

Other than the Punisher: Warzone from a couple of years ago Y was the biggest waste of money since I don't know when.

Mignola's Hellboy didn't get as much love as I thought it should.



The art is crisp as fook.

I notice that most of the top rated runs were "game changers" - titles that took characters or comics itself in new directions or set the bar at a level that later creators tried to reach for decades or better. Sometimes they didn't have to be all that "good". For instance, Fraction and Larocca's run on "Iron Man" makes Micheline/Layton look like refrigerator art - but I agree with having Micheline/Layton on the list instead of Fraction/Larocca.

snatch grip wrote:

Ed Zachary wrote:No fucking way Claremont deserves to be on that list!

Sandman was good but not as good as the emo kids make it out to be.

I haven't read much of the Claremont stuff but i'm about halfway through Sandman and it's definitely the best comic i've ever read.

What would be in your top 5?

Sandman, of course. Not GOAT (maybe) but still did things noone had ever thought of before, at least in American published comics.

Lee and Kirby's run on Fantastic Four.

Lee and Ditko's run on Amazing Spiderman.

Kirby's run on his "Fourth World/New Gods" books.

And Cerberus, of course, at least issues 5-6 through 40 or so, after Sim dropped the Conan parody and concentrated on being funny and before he became obsessed with expressing his opinions on God and sexual politics through the medium of a talking animal. Don't get me wrong, the later issues were a fascinating use of the comics medium...but they required a lot of patience from the audience.

Abandoned by Wolves wrote:

snatch grip wrote:

Ed Zachary wrote:No fucking way Claremont deserves to be on that list!

Sandman was good but not as good as the emo kids make it out to be.

I haven't read much of the Claremont stuff but i'm about halfway through Sandman and it's definitely the best comic i've ever read.

What would be in your top 5?

Sandman, of course. Not GOAT (maybe) but still did things noone had ever thought of before, at least in American published comics.

Lee and Kirby's run on Fantastic Four.

Lee and Ditko's run on Amazing Spiderman.

Kirby's run on his "Fourth World/New Gods" books.

And Cerberus, of course, at least issues 5-6 through 40 or so, after Sim dropped the Conan parody and concentrated on being funny and before he became obsessed with expressing his opinions on God and sexual politics through the medium of a talking animal. Don't get me wrong, the later issues were a fascinating use of the comics medium...but they required a lot of patience from the audience.

always looking for what to read next so I will keep these in mind.

The full run I've read (and re-read) most recently is Geoff Johns' Green Lantern. From Rebirth (2005 I think) to the current New 52 GL, it's rock solid story telling. Grant Morrison's run on Batman is WAY too high on the list.

Abandoned by Wolves wrote:And Cerberus, of course, at least issues 5-6 through 40 or so, after Sim dropped the Conan parody and concentrated on being funny and before he became obsessed with expressing his opinions on God and sexual politics through the medium of a talking animal. Don't get me wrong, the later issues were a fascinating use of the comics medium...but they required a lot of patience from the audience.

+1 on Cerebus. IMO it's much more enjoyable in graphic novel form. The Lord Julius character is incredible.

Cerebus is gold. I've got the first phone book and it is gold.

The Kirby 4th World is great. I have a Mister Miracle collection and I'm amazed at the quality.

Ed Zachary wrote:No fucking way Claremont deserves to be on that list!

Claremont was magic in the 70s & 80s. After he & Byrne broke up, Claremont became terribly wordy and obvious and repetitive; a weird parody of what he had been before. It's like he stopped working with the artist, being a partner with the artist; instead he started trying to overwhelm the art with verbiage. But in the late 70s / early 80s Claremont was the best writer in mainstream comix. They missed a bet not listing his run on Marvel Team-Up. And I don't see his & Byrne's run on Iron Fist, either.

Steve Englehart only on the list once. His work on Dr Strange in the 70s was definitive; and his Avengers was also, at one time.

Another omission: Doug Moench with Paul Gulacy / Mike Zeck / Gene Day on Master of Kung Fu, 70s-80s.

Ennis' Punisher should be higher on the list. But I bet what they're doing is looking at his WHOLE run on Punisher, including the non-MAX issues. If it were MAX only, he'd be in the top 3. The earlier stuff, while excellent and groundbreaking, actually drags his average down.

The Bendis run on Ultimate Spider-man should be even higher than it is, and definitely deserves some first-place votes. I also have huge respect for Paul Levitz' run as writer on Legion of Super Heroes in the 70s/80s. That was a tremendous book. Fables is awesome.

Peter David’s run on Hulk was amazing, and deserves more love than being out of the top 25. But the overlooked masterpiece of his output is his run on Supergirl. That was a hell of a book, featuring challenging, risky material, superbly written. Abruptly cancelled when DC editorial decided to bring back the old, hot Supergirl, Superman's cousin. But while it was going, it was one of the best books on the shelf.

Nice to see Larry Hama make the list. He's under-appreciated.

Shooter's Avengers?


Stuff that should not be there:

• Wolfman / Perez Teen Titans — straight derivative imitation of the Claremont/Byrne X-men, obvious even at the time.
• Busiek / Perez Avengers — boring and shitty. It was running at the same time as Morrison's JLA, and was so much weaker. Bendis justly blew it all up when he took over.
• Keith Giffen's Legion — no, Giffen cannot write. That series limped along for a bit after Levitz left, but it was bad.
• Waid / Wieringo’s Fantastic Four — Marvel editorial was pushing this hard as a classic in its 3rd issue. That was just hype. The run was mildly interesting, only.
• Ostrander’s Suicide Squad — routine.
• Eh, I suppose I won't pick on stuff below #70.

I'm not sure Roger Stern belongs on there either, except maybe for his short Captain America run with Byrne.

That's just the stuff I've read. There's other stuff on here that seems fishy to me (the other Ostrander, Hickman's FF, etc), but I never actually read it, so maybe I missed some hidden excellence.

I personally have never read a Geoff Johns story that I liked, but he's very popular so maybe I'm just wrong.


Oh, fuck me: Steve Gerber is not on the list! Man-Thing, and Howard the Duck, were awesome. Omega the Unknown was compelling as hell.

Is it my imagination, or is Nexus omitted from the list?? Nexus! C'mon!

I have a complete, mint run of Cerebus from No 1 - 50. Hopefully, one day, I will sell them for a mint.

- If Claremont gets credit for New Mutants then at least HALF of that goes to the amazing art of Bill Sienkiewicz. Comics never looked like that before. Bill S. also had a good run on Moon Knight and X-Men, IMO.

Scott Pilgrim ranked ahead of Frank Miller's "Sin City?" That can't be right.