The couch thread

[Yes I Have Balls]

I love when people toss out a 600/650 Deadlift like it is just something around the corner, you know, a proper six weeks of focus. I have worked with really fine athletes who DL 385ish and blow out blood vessels doing it. Even a serious focus for six months would only get them to the low 4's or maybe higher. That 750 DL is what perked my interest in the beginning, as many would remember.

I also love how they toss out the mystical DL numbers that @Fit has taken the old, infirm, tired, lonely, fat, etc. housewives and loser non-athlete male desk jockeys to. That old fucker Bingo for example is real proud of his 300# DL, but his 245# back squat somehow gets overlooked.

[Really Big Strong Guy]

Freakin absurd to think that a none trained person could pull 700 in two years. No matter the freakness or the drugs.

The biggest freak I've ever met in my life, Brian Siders, is a prototypical example. Dude got into bench meets when he was a teenager. Benched 525 at 16, if I recall correctly. He didn't start squat or deadlifting until he was in his late teens. I think he squatted 500, benched 575, and deadlifted 500 when he was 19. He didn't get to a 600 pound dead until after nearly 8 years of hard training - and that was specifically for powerlifting. He then busted through 700 in a matter of about a year. Then hit 800 after about another 8 years. He likely get 900 at his next meet and he's turning 30 soon, I think.

That's a freak; a drug free one at that. And a freak didn't get to 600 until after a good time and effort with the iron. Let alone doing it 5 or 6 times a year for two years.

[Beelzebub]

I found one that accurately describes his mind set.

[Blaidd Drwg]

Freakin absurd to think that a none trained person could pull 700 in two years. No matter the freakness or the drugs.

The biggest freak I've ever met in my life, Brian Siders, is a prototypical example. Dude got into bench meets when he was a teenager. Benched 525 at 16, if I recall correctly. He didn't start squat or deadlifting until he was in his late teens. I think he squatted 500, benched 575, and deadlifted 500 when he was 19. He didn't get to a 600 pound dead until after nearly 8 years of hard training - and that was specifically for powerlifting. He then busted through 700 in a matter of about a year. Then hit 800 after about another 8 years. He likely get 900 at his next meet and he's turning 30 soon, I think.

That's a freak; a drug free one at that. And a freak didn't get to 600 until after a good time and effort with the iron. Let alone doing it 5 or 6 times a year for two years.

Being 40, sitting between the 198's and 220's and training with DL in mind for about 3 or so years makes my 6-8 months kicking at the door of 600 seem like a blink. this makes me feel better that it's not easy.

[Botototo]

Reprinted just for fun, Glenn Pendlay shared this anecdote:

I so, so, so much dont want to get involved in any way in this discussion. However, there is one person who I firmly believe could have achieved a 750lb deadlift inside of 2 years by following the Crossfit WOD as written. This person is Gary Heisey. Gary deadlifted around 700lbs the first time he ever tried to do the exercise, and this was without any extensive prior strength training of any kind. He very quickly went over 800lbs, then several years later in 1992, weighing 358lbs he deadlifted a world record of 925lbs, a record which stood for quite a few years. I do believe he attempted 959 or 979 once, and had his grip fail when he was almost locked out. Gary was very tall, I believe around 6'6", had long arms and legs, and relatively thin legs. He posessed an ideal physique for deadlifting, and obviously very, very abnormal natural talent and strength for the exercise.

[Gin Master]

POW!!!!!

This needs to be on every page.

Agreed.

Could those possibly be implants?

Who fucking cares? Are there any other photos of that chick floating around? That may be better than the nude Tittynyc photos on Astroglides cell phone.

I don't care, but I'm curious how much silicone that ass would hold.

I'm more curious as to how much of my penis that ass would hold.

Well, she's an @fitter, and probably doesn't stray from the cult. So, not much, but I'm sure there's potential.

She is not, as far as I know, an @fitter. I found the pic here:

http://boston.barstoolsports.com

Coco. Should've known.

[lasalle]

http://board.crossfit.com/showthread.php?p=711929


Another human Duracell wakes up and wonders "How many crossfitters make it to ~600 LBS deadlift at around the 2 year mark?"

Thread closure imminent.

I did primarily main site programming for a few years. (Go ahead and bring the hate). I'm still waiting for my 750.

Couch:
But here's the fascinating part. We can take you from a 200 pound max deadlift to a 500-750 pound max deadlift in two years while only pulling max singles four or five times a year. We will though work the deadlift, like most lifts, approximately once per week at higher reps and under grueling conditions. It may intuit well that if you can pull a 250 pound deadlift 21 times coming to the lift at a heart rate of 180 beats per minute, then 500 pounds for a single at a resting heart rate is perhaps manageable.

[The Nightman]

Freakin absurd to think that a none trained person could pull 700 in two years. No matter the freakness or the drugs.

The biggest freak I've ever met in my life, Brian Siders, is a prototypical example. Dude got into bench meets when he was a teenager. Benched 525 at 16, if I recall correctly. He didn't start squat or deadlifting until he was in his late teens. I think he squatted 500, benched 575, and deadlifted 500 when he was 19. He didn't get to a 600 pound dead until after nearly 8 years of hard training - and that was specifically for powerlifting. He then busted through 700 in a matter of about a year. Then hit 800 after about another 8 years. He likely get 900 at his next meet and he's turning 30 soon, I think.

That's a freak; a drug free one at that. And a freak didn't get to 600 until after a good time and effort with the iron. Let alone doing it 5 or 6 times a year for two years.

That sentence shows the problem, he should have been doing WODs. Specializing is for insects.

[TerryB]

The problem is, Couch had, and still has, absolutely NO idea the ridiculous amount of training, skill, effort and dedication it takes to hit numbers like a 750 DL. Couch can't even coach himself to a 350 DL and he is the original Cultfitter.

As if it needed saying.

[Crust Bucket]

Couch can't even coach himself to a 350 DL and he is the original Cultfitter.

I'd be surprise if that fucker could do 250 without falling over or fainting from the pressure.

[Mickey O'neil]

While all this is going on @fit accepted the application for affiliation for some shady fucks who were defaming and fucking with other affiliates. It was pointed out to @fit that said "shady fucks" have a criminal record and did some seriously naughty shit. @fit response? Application: Accepted.

Which affiliate is this you are referring to and what did they do?

Can't spill that quite yet. It's on the west coast, southerly.

Like Dan john said, this will all come out in the deposition. IGX will be instrumental in dethroning the PT Barnum of fitness and saving untold numbers of otherwise good people from turning qweer.

Gl@sshole's extravagant lifestyle is catching up with him. Boning Leesa Lewdgo on the road mixed with private cars, flights, top shelf Gin and the best Humbolt Budz has made the fitness machine skinny in teh cash reserves. Mrs. Couch is pissed.

Now, it's a liability to become a CF affiliate.

Better to just open a gym. IGX-Integrated Gym Experience (TM)

Opportunistic, competitive Level 1 seminars are on the horizon. How many affiliates can they lose, how much dip in certs can they withstand while battling the FTC? Good timez.

You're right...I may just have to steal this.

[Sofa King]

http://board.crossfit.com/showthread.php?p=711929


Another human Duracell wakes up and wonders "How many crossfitters make it to ~600 LBS deadlift at around the 2 year mark?"

Thread closure imminent.

I did primarily main site programming for a few years. (Go ahead and bring the hate). I'm still waiting for my 750.

Couch:
But here's the fascinating part. We can take you from a 200 pound max deadlift to a 500-750 pound max deadlift in two years while only pulling max singles four or five times a year. We will though work the deadlift, like most lifts, approximately once per week at higher reps and under grueling conditions. It may intuit well that if you can pull a 250 pound deadlift 21 times coming to the lift at a heart rate of 180 beats per minute, then 500 pounds for a single at a resting heart rate is perhaps manageable.

Pulling 225 for 21 reps and rowing 500m sprints was the WOD that destroyed my back, and hence, my DL for almost ever.

[Really Big Strong Guy]

Jack or PL54 summed it up perfectly. Someone has it in their signature somewhere.

Freakin absurd to think that a none trained person could pull 700 in two years. No matter the freakness or the drugs.

The biggest freak I've ever met in my life, Brian Siders, is a prototypical example. Dude got into bench meets when he was a teenager. Benched 525 at 16, if I recall correctly. He didn't start squat or deadlifting until he was in his late teens. I think he squatted 500, benched 575, and deadlifted 500 when he was 19. He didn't get to a 600 pound dead until after nearly 8 years of hard training - and that was specifically for powerlifting. He then busted through 700 in a matter of about a year. Then hit 800 after about another 8 years. He likely get 900 at his next meet and he's turning 30 soon, I think.

That's a freak; a drug free one at that. And a freak didn't get to 600 until after a good time and effort with the iron. Let alone doing it 5 or 6 times a year for two years.

That sentence shows the problem, he should have been doing WODs. Specializing is for insects.

[Jag Panzer]

Couch:
But here's the fascinating part. We can take you from a 200 pound max deadlift to a 500-750 pound max deadlift in two years while only pulling max singles four or five times a year. We will though work the deadlift, like most lifts, approximately once per week at higher reps and under grueling conditions. It may intuit well that if you can pull a 250 pound deadlift 21 times coming to the lift at a heart rate of 180 beats per minute, then 500 pounds for a single at a resting heart rate is perhaps manageable.

Here's the funny part of this shit. A few months ago at a strongman comp, I pulled 230kg for a modestly psyched 1RM. That's 506 lbs for the metric-stupid. Later in the comp, my weight class pulled 160kg for max reps. I got I think 17 in that event, though I admit to fagging out once it really got into rest-pausing.

At that point, 250 lbs would have been up in the 30-50 rep range, easy. It'd be one of those sets that's so light that strength doesn't come into it, it's all about mental toughness and how long you can keep the bar moving.

So where the fuck is Couch getting this hard 250x21 = easy 500 lbs pull shit?

[powerlifter54]

Very bad news. Or not.

If you look at the 7DEC09 @f video on the @f home site with Navy Dave about something called "Understanding the Real battle", you will see that a coherent brief from a @fitter is possible. If you watch the entire video clip right to the end, Navy Dave either is clueless to irony, is a stuttering john wannabe, or is sending us a coded message to rescue him.

good stuff

[WildGorillaMan]

Pulling 225 for 21 reps and rowing 500m sprints was the WOD that destroyed my back, and hence, my DL for almost ever.

No offence man, but that just doesn't sound like a good idea.

[Mountebank]

RW stating where he thought couch's claims could have materialized from:
http://board.crossfit.com/showpost.php? ... tcount=344

As to the 500-750lb DL's- The contest of this statement was when Coach Glassman was still at the old Santa Cruz box. I made my first trip down to SC in March '03 if I remember correctly. My first session there we worked DL, then wrapped up with a WOD in which you: Found your 500m row time, rested 3 min, found your time for completing 30 reps of thrusters with 95lbs, rested 3 min, then found time to completion for 30 pull-ups. Of my subsequent visists, this was very typical programming. One time when we had like 40 people at the old original box we did a chipper...but the bolk of training was core lifts, couplets, and triplets. Off the top of my head I saw 3 people with 500lb+ DL's and one guy, a BJJ black belt, who pulled 695 for a double like it was filled with helium. I left before he foudn his top end for that day, but he obviously had more in him. His first exposure to the DL stopped at ~185 lbs due to orthopedic and recruitment issues...he was plenty strong to pull more but his tightness and form precluded loading him up beyond this point. This was ~ 2 years before the day that I saw him pull the 695. I believe this is the refrence for the much hated 500-750DL stats.

couch as apologist and on the hunt for a piece of BOTO:
http://board.crossfit.com/showpost.php? ... tcount=501

I don't know what the maximum deadlift after two years of training will be or is. I don't even know what the current max is. We'll never know what the max starting deadlift is. The proposition is somewhat untestable.

Ultimately and techically my assertion was more than conjecture. It was a hypothesis stated as fact with zero intent to mislead. I still like the number and if I had to pick the upper range today for two years of CF, 750 would be the number.

I just saw that couch has 373 posts on the @F message board...lots of gold to be mined there, for sure. If you didn't know, the ********* in couch's post are the deliberate censoring of the words "irongarmx".

[Yes I Have Balls]

NVM - the link to couch eviscerating BOTO was already posted.

[Jag Panzer]

I'm coming to the opinion that "across broad time and modal domains" is a crock of horseshit that Couch starts spewing after a long night at the bar.

Does that even mean anything if you're not high? I submit it does not.

[Fat Cat]

My bad, it got stickied.

[Mountebank]

I'm sure one or both of those @F message board posts have appeared in this thread at least once already...

[Sofa King]

Pulling 225 for 21 reps and rowing 500m sprints was the WOD that destroyed my back, and hence, my DL for almost ever.

No offence man, but that just doesn't sound like a good idea.

None taken, and you are right. It was like 3 or 5 rounds of that shit as well. My back went on the 3 round of the DL's.
It was 5 years ago.
I haven't done a mainpage WOD since '05. My left lower back and hip are still tweeked. Probably explains the yoga I do.

[Really Big Strong Guy]

My bad, it got stickied.

We need more pics of CoCo.

[steelydan]

Ultimately and techically my assertion was more than conjecture. It was a hypothesis stated as fact with zero intent to mislead.

It's like he just types three syllable words without caring if they make any fucking sense.

[Dan Martin]

Ultimately and techically my assertion was more than conjecture. It was a hypothesis stated as fact with zero intent to mislead.

It's like he just types three syllable words without caring if they make any fucking sense.

Couch is like some fucktard character in a John Irving novel.