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Patrick Donnelly wrote:For fuck's sake guys, that NYT article is over a year old. There's bullshit and malarkey more recent than that to despise.
No one's despising it. I was just researching a local CrossFit gym and they linked to that article. I found it hard to believe that a major newspaper would fawn over CrossFit's nuts like that.

BTW, why such CrossFit hate? Yeah, I think most of them are douches, but if it works for them and gives them meaning in life, who am I to shoot that down? More power to them. I just think Cooch is a corrupt POS.
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T200 wrote:Gladiators, it seems, were fat. Consuming a lot of simple carbohydrates, such as barley, and legumes, like beans, was designed for survival in the arena. Packing in the carbs also packed on the pounds. "Gladiators needed subcutaneous fat," Grossschmidt explains. "A fat cushion protects you from cut wounds and shields nerves and blood vessels in a fight." Not only would a lean gladiator have been dead meat, he would have made for a bad show. Surface wounds "look more spectacular," says Grossschmidt. "If I get wounded but just in the fatty layer, I can fight on," he adds. "It doesn't hurt much, and it looks great for the spectators."
Shirtless bears? Adipose action figures? Seems couch knows the ancient secrets and is well prepared for any functional scenario.
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Interesting MP3 file about the RRG. I suggest everyone listen to it.

Basically, what has happened is that the market pricing mechanism has failed in the insurance industry. Specifically, insurance companies are over pricing insurance to crossfit affiliates.

The big lesson from 2008 seems to be that markets are inefficient. Here is one more example.

Everyone sign up for the RRG. Let's get this off the ground. Need 30K a day for the next 10 days.

HQ should make RRG membership a requirement next year if this doesn't get off the ground.

Comment #13 - Posted by: Steve at May 3, 2009 5:31 PM
lol - at so many levels. There is some serious bullshit in this post.
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Trebuchet wrote:Seems couch knows the ancient secrets and is well prepared for any functional scenario.
Couch walks the walk fa' sho.
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T200 wrote:
Trebuchet wrote:Seems couch knows the ancient secrets and is well prepared for any functional scenario.
Couch walks the walk fa' sho.
Yeah but only thru the buffet line or the line to the back of the liquor store where the gin's kept.
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The pseudo-scientific bullshit is hip deep in here:

http://journal.crossfit.com/2009/02/cro ... ticleTitle" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

In this forward thinking essay from the brilliant mind of Dear Leader, the amazingly uneducated and exercise-challenged founder of the latest fitness cult, explains how he "unifies health and fitness forever" by throwing uneducated, untrained people into the grist mill of high rep olympic lifts, kipping pullups, and Pukie. He then establishes that, although he knows nothing about effective athletic training, he did read that "power = force x acceleration" and from that simple formula, he was able to generate the Best System Ever! (tm) and use it to dominate the Olympics.

[Unfortunately, due to Couc's complete untrained state, he was unable to model even one "broad domain" of said health or fitness.]
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WildGorillaMan wrote:Hey, she showed initial potential. I regret nothing. Sadly (as my High School track coach was fond of pointing out to us), potential is one of the ugliest words in the english language.

Snowangel demonstrated enough potential to get invited to training camp, but failed to show tenacity and work ethic. We gave her a shot, and she didn't measure up. She's just not going to make the @fit A-list roster.

Shari, Diva, and ANYC may be superstars, but that doesn't mean we should stop scouting for new talent. It will only take one overdose or a more-serious-than-normal domestic disturbance, and we'll be short handed. Then what are we going to do?
Gorilla Man, you have touched my hard heart. I got so caught up in the display that our triplets are putting up that I neglected potential future talent. Please forgive me. You have to admit, it's hard to get excited about prep school basketball when LeBron and Kobe are on the court (not that I give a damn about bball; it's just a convenient example). You are correct that the forward thinking mixed modal hater appreciates what's going on right now while keeping the farm system full.

Re: the Gaymes qualifiers. So what? If I was hosting a qualifier for the Gaymes, my events would be:

1) @F total
2) stone throw
3) battle royal

It's funny that Anthony and Jodi picked their signature lift (DL), but hell, their @F programming includes lots of DLs, muscles ups, and other weighted movements and shorter, heavier metcons. That's a better vision that most affiliates have. The spoils system is alive and well in @F. If you wanna play the game, you better be a damn good athlete or kiss Couch's gin-soaked boiled arse. Hell with em.

**It looks like Jodi and Anthony stepped aside anyway and will try to qualify via the "play-in" qualifier. That's kinda stupid. Do it like golf. Give exemptions to the Speals and Bainbridges that can perform, let them put on a controversy-free qualifier, and bring em to the Gaymes anyway.

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http://www.crossfit.com/cf-affiliates/2 ... 501_1.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
JB CrossFit Southside wrote:If you are a small affiliate, you're not off the hook here. If you are new to the game, you are probably the most likely to make a mistake with programming or scaling. Every successful affiliate was once there...even Glassman admits that he probably gave tons of people Rhabdo when he was getting started, but no-one knew what it was then, or really cared about suing a mom and pop outfit. In 2009, that's not the case. You need this every bit as much as the affiliate with 200 members.
Where does Couch admit this? I'd like to see that.


Kraj, CrossFit is a bastardization of its original principles, moderately effective at best, unnecessarily dangerous, a douchebag-creating machine, eerily cult-like, and organized by a pontificating gin-filled balloon. What more do you need to dislike it? Some of the people, assuming they aren't douchebags, are fine, but those are all the ones that haven't fully bought into Couch's blathering anyway. There are a few good things that have come from it, but I can't say that makes the program good on the whole.

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P Don, an opportunity to unload that shirt: http://www.board.crossfit.com/showthread.php?t=46142" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Why is my IP banned from the CrossFit site? That's discrimination. I'd get my lawyers on it if they weren't already busy with that sexual harassment suit.
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Kraj wrote:Why is my IP banned from the CrossFit site? That's discrimination. I'd get my lawyers on it if they weren't already busy with that sexual harassment suit.
Clearly what's needed is an IGx RRG so you have a team of crack lawyers on retainer to fix such travesties.
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So, I've done some searching around the interwebz, as I was wondering how @F's RRG would exactly plan on defending themselves and the commune against a rhabdo lawsuit. You lawyers feel free to chime in...

Diagnosis and confirmation of rhabdo in the medical literature would seem to be pretty straightforward:
http://www.residentandstaff.com/issues/ ... -06_03.asp
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It would seem hard to deny an independent physician's diagnosis.

Obviously, there is already the precedent of Makimba Mimms' rhabdo lawsuit decision against an @F affiliate:
http://www.valawyersweekly.com/vlwblog/ ... /#more-798
Jury awards $300,000 in gym lawsuit
October 9th, 2008

In a case that surely will have gym owners checking their liability coverage, a Prince William County man has won a $300,000 jury verdict against a gym where he underwent a “CrossFit” workout regimen that, he claimed, left him disabled.

Makimba Mimms, 29, sued Manassas World Gym, Ruthless Training Concepts and its former employee, Javier Lopez. Mimms, a former Navy information systems technician first class, said Lopez oversaw a CrossFit workout at the gym in 2005 that caused his leg muscles to break down. The jury found all three defendants liable, according to the Washington Post.

CrossFit, which was not named as a defendant in the suit, is a fitness program popular in law enforcement and military circles and has been criticized as being dangerously intense.
The medical literature on "white collar rhabdomyolysis", which happens often enough to have its own name:
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m ... 1013/pg_3/
Exertional rhabdomyolysis frequently occurs in people who are not adequately conditioned before severe exertion (Bonventre et al., 1995). One type of exertional rhabdomyolysis, termed "white-collar rhabdomyolysis," is observed in people such as physicians, businessmen, and attorneys who participate in competitive sports without being adequately conditioned to keep pace with a conditioned athlete (Bonventre et al, 1995; Knochel, 1998).
New free CFJ on the RRG:
http://library.crossfit.com/free/pdf/CF ... Reward.pdf
“CrossFit Headquarters was involved in trying to help out the defendant in that case,” CrossFit lawyer Dale Saran said on an Apr. 28 episode of CrossFit Radio. “The insurance defense attorneys, we offered to help them out, and they didn’t want any part of it. They didn’t want our expertise on rhabdo.”
They are experts on rhabdo, that's for sure, got the recipe for rhabdo perfected I'd say...

A study done on prison inmates who gave themselves rhabdo sounds very familiar to those who know @F:
http://www.charlydmiller.com/LIB04/1994 ... habdo.html
RESULTS

The study population consisted of 35 male patients with an average age of 24.4 ± 5.4 years. Nineteen patients were black, 15 were Hispanic, and one was white. All patients were imprisoned at Rykers Correctional Institution at the time of admission.

Past medical history did not disclose previous episodes of rhabdomyolysis in any of the patients. No patient described similar histories of muscle weakness from exercise or family members with any muscle problems. Although nine patients gave a history of ethanol abuse, no patient admitted to intake within 24 hours before heavy exercise. Eight patients had a history of drug abuse, but all denied use at the time of exertion. None of the patients admitted to taking nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs within 24 hours of muscle pain from exercise. Urine and blood toxicologic tests were all negative for all patients.

Thirty-one of the patients did squat-thrusts with or without weights, two patients did chin-ups, one patient lifted heavy weights, and one ran a long distance. These repetitive exercises were done not as part of a usual exercise routine but as a consequence of losing a game of dominoes. The number of squat-thrusts varied between 75 and 900, with weights from 40 to 170 lb.

Patients presented an average 2.7 ± 0.3 days (range, 0 to 5 days) after exertion. All patients complained of thigh or arm pain. A change in urine color was noted by every patient. On initial vital signs, no patient was found to be hypotensive (systolic blood pressure less than 100 mm Hg), tachycardic (pulse more than 100), or orthostatic (drop in systolic blood pressure more than 10 mm Hg or pulse change more than 10 with change in position) to any significant degree of hypovolemia. No patient presented with frank hyperthermia (temperature more than 39.4° C), flushing, or lack of sweating characteristic of heat stroke. On physical examination, trace edema of the involved extremities was the only consistent finding.
Random (as in not "usual"), high rep, functional exercises...I'm guessing they were done at a relatively high "intensity".

A quick search of "rhabdo" or "rhabdomyolysis" on the @F message board and daily comments pages would likely bring up a bunch.

The CFJ articles on rhabdo.
http://library.crossfit.com/free/pdf/38 ... rhabdo.pdf
http://library.crossfit.com/free/pdf/33 ... rkouts.pdf

Mocking Makimba Mimms on the mainpage with a video of children doing the same workout.

Glassman's own quotes from the NYT article, which I posted previously, contain an admission that @F is inherently dangerous.

Seriously, with all of the history of rhabdo and all of the above, how could this even be defended? According to the RRG info, it would seem it is mainly being created because the specter of a successful rhabdo lawsuit hangs so heavy and frequent over this group...anyone?

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Joe wrote:
Interesting MP3 file about the RRG. I suggest everyone listen to it.

Basically, what has happened is that the market pricing mechanism has failed in the insurance industry. Specifically, insurance companies are over pricing insurance to crossfit affiliates.

The big lesson from 2008 seems to be that markets are inefficient. Here is one more example.

Everyone sign up for the RRG. Let's get this off the ground. Need 30K a day for the next 10 days.

HQ should make RRG membership a requirement next year if this doesn't get off the ground.

Comment #13 - Posted by: Steve at May 3, 2009 5:31 PM
lol - at so many levels. There is some serious bullshit in this post.
Insurance too costly for @fit = markets are inefficient?

Fuck, that's market insight that you can trade on, and he's giving it away!
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Ed Zachary wrote:That's a HYOOGE bitch!
Yep.

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My wife works for an insurance company that operates in NY state--they won't insure a home that has a trampoline.

Life insurance won't cover someone for a death that occurs while rock climbing (so I've heard).

It would seem insurance has a decent handle on risk they're willing to cover. @F doesn't seem to fall into that. Can you imagine how much the "back-up" insurance to insure the RRG itself is going to cost them?

EDIT: I want to add that I knew a guy (total skinny non-exercising I.T. geek) who got mild rhabdo from a too-intense circuit training workout at a local gym with a trainer. The two days at the hospital ran him ~$12k. That was mild...

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWMrfggZ ... annel_page" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Resident Quack wrote:My wife works for an insurance company that operates in NY state--they won't insure a home that has a trampoline.

Life insurance won't cover someone for a death that occurs while rock climbing (so I've heard).

It would seem insurance has a decent handle on risk they're willing to cover. @F doesn't seem to fall into that. Can you imagine how much the "back-up" insurance to insure the RRG itself is going to cost them?
Insurance companies suck. They do cover rock climbing, but your rates are high. You have to pay extra for a war clause too, so they'll pay if you get morted defending your/their country. Insurance companies are turning the country into a bunch of risk averse pussies. Of course when it came time to correctly judge risk, they screwed the pooched so hard it sang soprano, i.e., AIG.
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Resident Quack wrote:It would seem insurance has a decent handle on risk they're willing to cover. @F doesn't seem to fall into that. Can you imagine how much the "back-up" insurance to insure the RRG itself is going to cost them?
I want to find out who's underwritting the RRG and short the fuck out of them.
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Kraj wrote:Why is my IP banned from the CrossFit site? That's discrimination. I'd get my lawyers on it if they weren't already busy with that sexual harassment suit.
Because they think you either don't know what proxies are or are too lazy to care.
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No, Couch is just really small. Really, he is.
http://www.charlydmiller.com/LIB04/1994 ... habdo.html
The study population consisted of 35 male patients with an average age of 24.4 ± 5.4 years. Nineteen patients were black, 15 were Hispanic, and one was white.

Thirty-one of the patients did squat-thrusts with or without weights, two patients did chin-ups, one patient lifted heavy weights, and one ran a long distance. These repetitive exercises were done not as part of a usual exercise routine but as a consequence of losing a game of dominoes. The number of squat-thrusts varied between 75 and 900, with weights from 40 to 170 lb.
900 squat thrusts with 40lbs? Must have been the white guy and I've got a feeling that he's willingly a klutz when it comes to holding onto the soap.

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