The couch thread

[Kraj]

Pat, Charismatic,

Fair enough. I've been real busy the past few days and unable to work out in any way so I've had a lot of pent up aggression. I apologize.

BTW, why do you say I drove away Jeek? I had nothing to do with it.

[Holland Oates]

I've got nothing against you Kraj.

I was just busting your balls.

I thought it was expected around here.

I've always said 99% of my posts are just blatant mental diarrhea or just plain old shit stirring fun.

And and to get things back on track what kind of cum guzzling trouser snake chaser drives a fucking Cultfit Hummer.

Jesus Christ on a crutch talk about overcompensating.

[Kraj]

I've got nothing against you Kraj.

I was just busting your balls.

I thought it was expected around here.

I've always said 99% of my posts are just blatant mental diarrhea or just plain old shit stirring fun.

And and to get things back on track what kind of cum guzzling trouser snake chaser drives a fucking Cultfit Hummer.

Jesus Christ on a crutch talk about overcompensating.

No hard feelings. It's all in fun.

[Anon]

Let's all shake hands and go camping.

[Sofa King]

Such nice nutswinging in this thread.

[POD]

After yesterday's revelation about a double-weight Grace...

What revelation was that. That you're a tard?

That's the one!

It'd also be interesting to see a giverik do Grace with a pair of 32kg KB's. Once again, an entirely different workout, but about the same amount of work done in the same general fashion. This one workout can demonstrate so many different things that are wrong with CrossFit.

1. The high rep weightlifting.
2. The 20% slop.
3. The absurdity of calculating the amount of work done in exercise.
4. The second absurdity of using that work calculation to calculate power.
5. The claim that power = work capacity = fitness.
6. The overemphasis of work capacity and neglect of strength.
7. The believe that CrossFit is the best fitness program.


For those lurking this thread who don't see the points I listed above, here's some elaboration:
1. This is just nonsense. Weightlifting is for developing maximal power and you can't generate maximal power under fatigue.
2. Poor technique and flexibility are commonly seen in video demos of Grace, with wrists being bent out of shape, backs slouching all along the spine, and forearm positions that are bound to cause a bone fracture if the elbow ever hits the thigh hard enough. Additionally, the sloppy deadlift first pulls, upright row second pulls, and reverse curl third pulls do not allow the right muscles to be used in the right fashion to once again work on that maximal force.
3. Barbells, sandbags, kettlebells, or whatever you want to use will all give the same amount of work for the 30 reps if you use the same 135lb total weight. However, it's obvious that these workouts are different and so are the amounts of work they require for the body to complete. Tensing muscles requires ATP, whether it's increasing the potential energy of a weight or not, and getting that ATP requires calories. Calories are a measurement of energy (1 kcal = 4.2 kjoules). Lifting a sandbag definitely requires greater muscular contraction throughout the body than a barbell would, due to its odd shape and size. Gireviks demonstrate amazing efficiency with kettlebells (though I cannot comment on whether or not it is harder than a barbell, since I have no experience with girevoy sport). As Greg Everett put it, the body is not a forklift. There is great inefficiency involved which cannot be accounted for by the blind application of a high school-level physics formula.
4. As I mentioned previously, a 2:00 Grace with a 270lb barbell has the same power output as a 1:00 Grace with a 135lb barbell. To compare the two efforts and call them the same because of that would be insane. As Steven Low once said, if all we wanted to do was maximize power, we'd just do boatloads of jumping pull-ups. Simply due to the basic physiology of humans, the best way to maximize power is with low weight and high reps. Of course, all of this is assuming we can even use the simple W = F*d equation to calculate the work, which we already know is false!
5. I'll default to the common example. Who would you rather fight? a) the guy with a 2:00 270lb Grace, or b) the guy with a 1:00 135lb Grace?
6. Donny Shankle. All he does is train strength for weightlifting, but he still put up one of the best times ever for Grace simply because he had the strength to rip that featherweight bar off the floor. It was like, 40% of his competition max, if I recall correctly. Nothing. The best part? He's even a smoker, but he got a good time, all because of his strength!
7. See the guy I posted here a few pages back who broke the Grace world record. He's a baseball player (not MLB), not a CrossFitter. I'm sure Josh Everett also has a good time in that workout, and he doesn't do CrossFit either. We've already covered Donny too.


This crap is making me want to throw another 15 pages on that essay I wrote a few weeks back. How can people fall for this bullshit of Glassman's? How did I fall for it?

[sigifrith007]

6. Donny Shankle. All he does is train strength for weightlifting, but he still put up one of the best times ever for Grace simply because he had the strength to rip that featherweight bar off the floor. It was like, 40% of his competition max, if I recall correctly. Nothing. The best part? He's even a smoker, but he got a good time, all because of his strength!

Its 29% of his max, not 40%. Donny's best clean and jerk is 208kg, or 458lbs.

I have another kid who weighs around 180-190lbs that has done Grace much faster than Donny, his C&J max was 392lbs... but hes not a smoker and he practiced it a couple of times, and he also did it in a rested condition, while donny did it in work boots and jeans an hour after winning the weightlifting nationals. Not only is this kid not a crossfitter, he hasnt trained at all in about 2 years. He was on the USA team for Junior worlds 6 years ago though, got 12th at the worlds.

The fastest Grace time I have seen is a lifter (ex-lifter now, he joined the military) of mine who weighs about 165lbs. To be fair, he has clean and jerked 363lbs, and is in pretty good shape. He could go well under 1 minute with maybe 4 or 5 times practicing the workout.

The best way to a good Grace time, obviously, is to get yourself a clean and jerk in the 350 to 450lb range, then do some sprints or KB work or whatever to get you anaerobic endurance up. and practice the workout a few times. Or just be a damn good athlete, like the baseball player with the good time. If a bunch of strong guys or really good athletes started doing Grace, then pretty soon a 1 minute flat time wouldnt be all that big a deal.

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[nafod]

For those lurking this thread who don't see the points I listed above, here's some elaboration:
1. This is just nonsense. Weightlifting is for developing maximal power and you can't generate maximal power under fatigue.

What the #$% does that mean?

3. Barbells, sandbags, kettlebells, or whatever you want to use will all give the same amount of work for the 30 reps if you use the same 135lb total weight. However, it's obvious that these workouts are different and so are the amounts of work they require for the body to complete...There is great inefficiency involved which cannot be accounted for by the blind application of a high school-level physics formula.

I bet you you can define a parameter alpha for each of those that would quantify the inefficiency for each so that energy_spent = work_done x alpha

4. As I mentioned previously, a 2:00 Grace with a 270lb barbell has the same power output as a 1:00 Grace with a 135lb barbell.

Yea, and so does a 20:00 Grace with a 2,700 LB barbell. Congrats on your high school physics. What's your point? Different workouts.

Simply due to the basic physiology of humans, the best way to maximize power is with low weight and high reps.

Fucking bzzzt! For a given time period, the way to maximize power is with the maximum weight you can move continuously during that time period. If time = 5 seconds, that is 1RM. How long does it take you do to 3 reps? For that time period, use your 3RM weight to maximize power. Etc.

Of course, all of this is assuming we can even use the simple W = F*d equation to calculate the work, which we already know is false!

Another bzzzt. What's your major again?

[Shafpocalypse Now]

Zerchers:

I'm ambivalent. I've Zercher squatted with a lot of weight, but nothing really materialized out of working that lift really hard. The spider lift shit is mostly a flexibilty and extreme ROM trick...a buddy of mine on the P&B used to do them before he had stones. After he got stones, he still kept doing them until I pointed out that they weren't improving his stone time, and he might as well work on his stones instead.

Craig Smith's success with zercher squats doesn't matter to you, or to me, or to anyone but him.

[Blaidd Drwg]

Zerchers:

I'm ambivalent. I've Zercher squatted with a lot of weight, but nothing really materialized out of working that lift really hard. The spider lift shit is mostly a flexibilty and extreme ROM trick...a buddy of mine on the P&B used to do them before he had stones. After he got stones, he still kept doing them until I pointed out that they weren't improving his stone time, and he might as well work on his stones instead.

Craig Smith's success with zercher squats doesn't matter to you, or to me, or to anyone but him.

reconcile...

I also think the zercher squat from pins has a legitimate place in DL training, but I tap out on it, weight-wise, fairly quickly.

[JamesonBushmill]

This is an awesome group picture. The level 4 XF trainers!

Who is the broad in the black shirt and jeans? She doesn't look like a trainer as much as she looks like the door prize for attending the level 4 cert. Her having a slight gut, and wearing a stopwatch makes me think she is some hanger on.

I would love to have done that day's WOD - Run a train on Gina, for time and reps.

[Dano]

Check out that dude in the pink two piece in the middle row. Just terrible.

[Anon]

What is the purpose of these large group photos?

Build a sense of community?
Look how many people are doing it, why haven't you?
Look how successful Cooch is?
Celebrate your sudden lack of $1000 on teh internets?
Tell your family and friends, that's me, right behind that big vascular dude (he's really been hittin the wod hard huh?)
See there are blacks doing crossfit, for realz!

The only real crossfit community is the few people you might work out with, the rest is all make believe, sheeple.

[CultBuster]

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Photo ops keep getting funnier and funnier. I'm convinced now when you hang around people who won't tell you that you're an asshole, or worse, they don't think you are one it leads to shit like this. This is why @fit can't last at a regular gym because someone there will tell you that you are an indiot and it aint the internet where they won't slap you if you run your mouth. These pics are just a well that never runs dry!

[___________]

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Photo ops keep getting funnier and funnier. I'm convinced now when you hang around people who won't tell you that you're an asshole, or worse, they don't think you are one it leads to shit like this. This is why @fit can't last at a regular gym because someone there will tell you that you are an indiot and it aint the internet where they won't slap you if you run your mouth. These pics are just a well that never runs dry!

Exactly.
If you ran your mouth to a PL54 type while dry humping that PVC, I'd imagine it'd end poorly for you.
If you ran your mouth to me while dry humping that PVC, I'd have that PVC straight humping you in under :30.

[CultBuster]

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@Fit! we work out so hard we need medical attention after! Thank god for RRG! Or did we not make it?
marco I hear you about the beatins. You read these messages like "I wanted to tell the guy doing shrugs in the squat rack to fucking move so I could do push press 75lbs" Insread he found a home where evryone is as big a pussy as he is at the local garge gym. I saw a 500lb bencher slap a guy in the chest so hard he couldn't breathe. not a punch a slap. He walked away and finished his last set before the other guy could catch his breath. maybe tate can give 'em some truth.

[Mountebank]

Is that B-Boi by the pool in that shot?

[WildGorillaMan]

Before @fit, I never would have guessed that there were so many nitwits who are keen to have their picture taken while lifting sweet fuck all, and be all smug about it. I think I'd rather lose a foot to gangrene than have my picture snapped with an empty bar over my head.

For that matter, I'd rather eat a canape made out of dick cheese on a cracker than be photographed posturing with a piece of PVC. The bad taste of the cracker would only last a few minutes. The bad taste of that photograph would be forever.

[sanchezero]

Is that B-Boi by the pool in that shot?

'tis.

[JimZipCode]

I would love to have done that day's WOD - Run a train on Gina, for time and reps.

Which one's Gina?

For that matter, which one in that pic is Nicole?

[JimZipCode]

Is that B-Boi by the pool in that shot?

'tis.

Yes, and that's Allison in that first deck chair, with the pink bikini top. Link:

http://allisonnyc.blogspot.com/2009/05/ ... -swim.html

But who are the two kids?

[CultBuster]

Blaur's I think

[POD]

I sold that CrossFit t-shirt today, to an affiliate owner. We met in person and talked for nearly an hour, and it was nice. He knew who I was, but that didn't seem to bother him at all, and he was a very nice guy, and seemed to be genuinely interested in helping people get more healthy.

I would love to have done that day's WOD - Run a train on Gina, for time and reps.

Which one's Gina?

For that matter, which one in that pic is Nicole?

Farthest left on the bottom, with the blue shirt and sunglasses. She's one of the few CF postergirls who hasn't gone half-man. (Thank goodness; it would be a terrible shame if she did.)

By the way, does her look and voice remind anyone else of Pam Beasly from The Office?

[Botototo]

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@Fit! we work out so hard we need medical attention after! Thank god for RRG! Or did we not make it?
marco I hear you about the beatins. You read these messages like "I wanted to tell the guy doing shrugs in the squat rack to fucking move so I could do push press 75lbs" Insread he found a home where evryone is as big a pussy as he is at the local garge gym. I saw a 500lb bencher slap a guy in the chest so hard he couldn't breathe. not a punch a slap. He walked away and finished his last set before the other guy could catch his breath. maybe tate can give 'em some truth.

I really hate to be a dick to a fellow EMT, but WTF with these guys. What company runs with uniforms like this? All white? Shorts? Skate shoes? Are those stunna shades?

Looks like dude probably went down with dehydration, given the water around and checking cap refill.

Where'd you find that pic?

[JimZipCode]

Farthest left on the bottom, with the blue shirt and sunglasses.

Is that Gina or Nicole?