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That is a good question and the obvious answer to the knee-jerk reaction that many, including myself, are proposing.
From reading through what has been released, it sounds like everybody, at every level, knew that something was up and absolutely everybody either looked the other way or, even worse, tried to cover it up. If you are in the administration and want to try to clean up the damage done to your image, what do you do? Fund the living shit out of a programs for abused kids, perhaps with all revenue earned by the program for the next year heading in that direction?
From reading through what has been released, it sounds like everybody, at every level, knew that something was up and absolutely everybody either looked the other way or, even worse, tried to cover it up. If you are in the administration and want to try to clean up the damage done to your image, what do you do? Fund the living shit out of a programs for abused kids, perhaps with all revenue earned by the program for the next year heading in that direction?
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College football is a business, they're not going to kill the golden goose. Eleven other programs feel exactly the same way.Terry B. wrote:That is a good question and the obvious answer to the knee-jerk reaction that many, including myself, are proposing.
From reading through what has been released, it sounds like everybody, at every level, knew that something was up and absolutely everybody either looked the other way or, even worse, tried to cover it up. If you are in the administration and want to try to clean up the damage done to your image, what do you do? Fund the living shit out of a programs for abused kids, perhaps with all revenue earned by the program for the next year heading in that direction?
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I'm not really sure what they ought to do. I just don't think they should scrap the whole program.Terry B. wrote:That is a good question and the obvious answer to the knee-jerk reaction that many, including myself, are proposing.
From reading through what has been released, it sounds like everybody, at every level, knew that something was up and absolutely everybody either looked the other way or, even worse, tried to cover it up. If you are in the administration and want to try to clean up the damage done to your image, what do you do? Fund the living shit out of a programs for abused kids, perhaps with all revenue earned by the program for the next year heading in that direction?
I'm also not really sure there is anything they can do to "make right".
I'm sure that they'll donate a ton of money to various groups benefiting abused kids, but I don't know how far it'll go in the public eye. The public has good reason not to forgive PSU.
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not to mention the tens of millions of $ they'll pay in settlements to the abused kids.baffled wrote: I'm sure that they'll donate a ton of money to various groups benefiting abused kids.
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Just as long as none of the Penn St. players did anything immoral like accepting free tattoos or trading their personal memorabilia for some cash the program should be fine!
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i could give 2 craps about PSU. Give em the death penalty and let the players transfer or not, but an unanswered question is why was buggery not prosecuted? Football is king? Maybe. But the overwhelming support of deviant sexual practices by college educators may also be a factor. If Sandusky was shagging some coeds the administration would have feared womyn's groups and took action quickly. It is hard to disprove they did just the opposite with buggery. They feared open and behind the scenes fellow buggers who would have howled if they had cut off Sandusky quickly.
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ENGL 245(GH;US) (WMNST 245) Introduction to Lesbian and Gay Studies (3) An introduction to the study of homosexual identities across a wide range of disciplines and methodologies.
An introduction to the study of homosexual identities across a wide range of disciplines and methodologies, this course explores the history of modern, “western” ideas about sexual identity as manifested in both writing and images. The class examines sexuality not as a “natural” or consistent phenomenon, but as a set of beliefs that have changed over time and manifest themselves differently in different cultural and historical contexts.
Starting in the late nineteenth century, scientific and medical authorities began categorizing individuals into sexual types based on their manifestations of gendered characteristics and their erotic attractions and practices. This medical typing corresponded with the development of subcultures associated with deviance from sexual norms; these subcultures produced a rich variety of texts, images, performances, and social forms, many of which are now considered central to both vernacular and high culture.
This course explores this rich archive. It investigates constructions of sexual conformity and how sexual nonconformists positioned themselves as a shared group identity. It examines how sexual distinctions between gendered, raced, and classed bodies were historically produced and culturally contested. It considers what commonalities gay identities may – or may not – share with lesbian identities and how the increasing visibility of bisexuality, transgender, and transsexuality has altered perceptions of sexual identity. The course explores the relationship of the avant-garde to mass-mediated politics of GLBTQ subcultures and the impetus to “normalcy.” Comparative study of issues of sexual mobility beyond and between the borders of the United States expands the course’s critical scope beyond dominant forms of western culture.
This course does not propose definitive answers to the questions of identity it addresses. Instead it negotiates the ways sexualities have enabled individuals to articulate – and disarticulate – themselves within social bodies past and present. This course, therefore, has wide relevance for students interested in how group identities come into being and transform over time in dynamic relation to other historical forces. Exploring a wide variety of texts and images associated with the history of sexual identity as well as a variety of interpretations of that history, this course opens students to an archive with the potential to inform and enrich their understandings of many kinds of challenges to regimes of normativity today.
BB H 251(US) Straight Talks I: Advanced Sexual Orientation/Gender Identity Peer Education (3) Exploration of social justice issues, diversity leadership, and group facilitation skills related to lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, and ally issues.
Straight Talks I provides students an opportunity to explore various lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and allies (LGBTA) issues from an educational perspective. Students will be exposed to theories, terminology, and various speakers who will approach topics such as LGBTA history and multicultural issues. The course projects are designed to enhance both written and oral skills, and provide students an opportunity to work together. Finally, the course challenges students to think critically about the social, economic, and political cultures around them and how these cultures affect sexual and gender orientation issues.
Course Objectives:
Philosophical
1. To think critically about your spiritual, social, economic, political and cultural existences and their relationship to your understanding of sexual and gender orientation issues.
2. To develop a critical consciousness that will bring awareness of the ways custom, ritual and tradition helped shape and continue to shape our daily lives.
3. To develop a fuller understanding of the way gender and sexual orientation are conceived of by other people and the ways in which these conceptions link with other elements of identity including ethnicity, class, gender, ability etc.
4. To challenge you to consider the following questions: a) What does it mean to provide educational programming? b) What does it mean to be a peer educator? c) How do I influence others by my involvement in this program? d) How do I what to influence others by my involvement in this program? e) How do I change the world so that it is a better place when I leave it?
Praxis
1. Develop facilitation and presentation skills
2. Obtain knowledge about LGBTA history and current issues and concerns.
3. Conceive of and articulate what it means to 'come out'.
4. Acquire information on sexual orientation, identity development and queer history.
5. Refine your ability to provide programming activities in the form of facilitation, discussion, skits, and exercises.
6. Develop a sense of community and rapport with other panelists through class discussions and projects.
ART H 225(GA;GH) (ENGL 225, WMNST 225) Sexuality and Modern Visual Culture (3) An examination of the visual expression of gender and sexual identities in English-speaking cultures since the late nineteenth century.
The terms "feminist" and "homosexual" were invented by the Victorians and reflect profound shifts in conceptions of identity. Another invention of the nineteenth century was the idea of the literary and artistic "avant-garde," a minority contingent with politically and/or aesthetically advanced views. These ideas of minority culture were deeply enmeshed with one another, and have exerted profound influence ever since. This course explores that history with the objective of developing a more sophisticated understanding of how the history of ideas affects our sense of who we are and how we read both texts and images. The course will be relevant to students of American and English studies, art, art history, and women's and sexuality studies.
What got me thinking about the classes offered at Penn State? The damning report from Freeh and company on Penn State’s failures to deal with their resident homosexual predator, Jerry Sandusky, got me thinking about it (...by the way, the word “homosexual” is not present in the 267 pages).
Now you think about it for a millisecond: when the administrators and professors of our universities carefully create a culture in which their own sexual deviance is protected, promoted, and professed, can we be surprised that Jerry Sandusky could roam those revered halls and hallowed locker rooms for decades sodomizing 9 year-old boys? For many--certainly not for all, but for many--Jerry Sandusky is the embodiment of their very own lectures.
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powerlifter54 wrote:i could give 2 craps about PSU. Give em the death penalty and let the players transfer or not, but an unanswered question is why was buggery not prosecuted? Football is king? Maybe. But the overwhelming support of deviant sexual practices by college educators may also be a factor. If Sandusky was shagging some coeds the administration would have feared womyn's groups and took action quickly. It is hard to disprove they did just the opposite with buggery. They feared open and behind the scenes fellow buggers who would have howled if they had cut off Sandusky quickly.

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Grandpa's Spells wrote:powerlifter54 wrote:i could give 2 craps about PSU. Give em the death penalty and let the players transfer or not, but an unanswered question is why was buggery not prosecuted? Football is king? Maybe. But the overwhelming support of deviant sexual practices by college educators may also be a factor. If Sandusky was shagging some coeds the administration would have feared womyn's groups and took action quickly. It is hard to disprove they did just the opposite with buggery. They feared open and behind the scenes fellow buggers who would have howled if they had cut off Sandusky quickly.
If you buy it was all just a football was king thing, then you can be satisfied. But in both 98 and 01 they reported Sandusky to the administration, and voila, nada happened. There was enourmous pressure to move on from Paterno for the last 10 years football wise, so why didn't the PSU admin do it and be done with it? There wa smore going on here than football with even a cursory review of the facts. Sandusky wasn't shagging boys and girls, he was shagging boys. Buggery. Backside gold, Key West Tea. It appears to be a win win to shoot Sandusky in the head and get rid of JoPa too. But they didn't. Why?

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Tell us!!!
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If PSU could hide Gerry Sandusky and his sick pedophile antics for years I wonder how many Universities can hide ghost employees, grant fraud and waste, sweetheart contracts, and other reasons that College Tuition costs rise at a rate higher than inflation?
How about the fact that a lot of Universities only graduate at best, what, sixty percent of their Freshman class and only ten percent of their Freshmen Minority students? They pump and dump these kids by getting in under qualified students, stuffing them into lecture halls with hundreds of students, letting Grad Students teach the courses, make them live in On Campus Housing that charges premium prices and eat at the Cafeteria that also charges premium prices.
If forty percent of these kids are wasting their time and money while enriching the University and Companies that furnish "food plans" isn't that kind of shady? "Some College" doesn't impress many people....
Ass fucking children is awful. Ripping people off isn't good behavior either. Universities ought to go back to the basics - educating people. Raise the Professor's pay rates, pick students more carefully and knock off the diversions and distractions like a formal Football Program.
How about the fact that a lot of Universities only graduate at best, what, sixty percent of their Freshman class and only ten percent of their Freshmen Minority students? They pump and dump these kids by getting in under qualified students, stuffing them into lecture halls with hundreds of students, letting Grad Students teach the courses, make them live in On Campus Housing that charges premium prices and eat at the Cafeteria that also charges premium prices.
If forty percent of these kids are wasting their time and money while enriching the University and Companies that furnish "food plans" isn't that kind of shady? "Some College" doesn't impress many people....
Ass fucking children is awful. Ripping people off isn't good behavior either. Universities ought to go back to the basics - educating people. Raise the Professor's pay rates, pick students more carefully and knock off the diversions and distractions like a formal Football Program.
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Create a "victim's fund" that is generous enough to make the public think you are genuinely sorry but that is far less money than plaintiffs' lawyers would take out of your ass. This is a win-win because (a) most victims will just take a small payment rather than hassle with a lawsuit, and (b) you can paint the victims that DO go to court as money hungry and talk to the jury about how much money you "willingly" set aside b/c you knew people dserved compensation, just not the "outlandish!" amounts now sought by these last few greedy victims.Terry B. wrote:If you are in the administration and want to try to clean up the damage done to your image, what do you do?
Also, start a few awareness campaigns, a foundation, create a few committees to show how committed you are to being sure nothing like this never, ever, never EVER happens again!
Also, remind everybody how much good PSU does in OTHER areas (even if the flagship university program was harboring a kiddy bugger).
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They didn't act back in the day because they wanted to protect their football program, not because they wanted to protect "teh gays". That's silly and unsupported by the facts.

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Yeah. Jack? You're out to lunch on this one.
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No, it's sound logic. Acceptance of homsexuality leads to acceptance of raping young boys. Because, of course, all gay men are one scout trip away from pounding pre-pubescent ass.
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I just don't see it that way. It's like saying all straight men would molest little girls. Except they don't.

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This is what happens when your moral compass is cribbed from a code that equates Rape, eating shellfish and wearing cotton blends.
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There's probably an extreme wing of libertarianism/libertinism that supports sex with children. But I don't see any linkage between that and the PSU athletic department. I'd guess the opposite: conformatarian success-worshipping drones who willfully turned a blind eye to a child rapist.
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Alright fucker...that one got a laugh loud enough for my secretary to ask that I close my door.Fat Cat wrote:
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It's only because of the development of Christian sexual morality that this sort of activity is deemed socially unacceptable. In pre-Christian times, Sandusky wouldn't even have thought to hide his shame. He wouldn't have needed to....Blaidd Drwg wrote:This is what happens when your moral compass is cribbed from a code that equates Rape, eating shellfish and wearing cotton blends.
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you've got a secretary?
where do you live? in the 1950s?
where do you live? in the 1950s?
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Jack's response is the craziest thing I've heard since an accounting professor interrupted some nonsense tolerance speech at a faculty meeting to compare gays to people "he saw on the Internet" who fuck horses.
That was the best faculty meeting ever.
That was the best faculty meeting ever.
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Yes, I'm drunk wrote:It's only because of the development of Christian sexual morality that this sort of activity is deemed socially unacceptable. In pre-Christian times, Sandusky wouldn't even have thought to hide his shame. He wouldn't have needed to....Blaidd Drwg wrote:This is what happens when your moral compass is cribbed from a code that equates Rape, eating shellfish and wearing cotton blends.
You'd have done well then.
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That gif was splendid.
Jack's post represents the baseline fearmongering for right wing protestants...that gays want your ass and all man and boy ass. Like the vast majority of straight dudes a gay man isn't going to rape a child.
The truth is that NAMBLA and other pedo groups have attempted to come under the gay (and gay rights) umbrella for years and have been rebuffed repeatedly.
Jack's post represents the baseline fearmongering for right wing protestants...that gays want your ass and all man and boy ass. Like the vast majority of straight dudes a gay man isn't going to rape a child.
The truth is that NAMBLA and other pedo groups have attempted to come under the gay (and gay rights) umbrella for years and have been rebuffed repeatedly.
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More importantly, is she hot?dead man walking wrote:you've got a secretary?
where do you live? in the 1950s?

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