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BTW, Fuglev from Crimea. And he was banned in Ukrainean federation of kettlebell sport :)
He got chanse to compete in Russian comps :))

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Wild Bill wrote:BTW, Fuglev from Crimea. And he was banned in Ukrainean federation of kettlebell sport :)
He got chanse to compete in Russian comps :))

You may have uncovered Putin's motive for taking over Crimea. Some things can't be allowed to stand.

And some of Svobodas earlier insignia looks a bit.....nazi.

All who want can help new National Guard of Ukraine by sending sms to number 565 :)

http://www.mil.gov.ua/

Bobby wrote:And some of Svobodas earlier insignia looks a bit.....nazi.

I don't care about swastic. Not a swastic makes man a nazi.
Desire of killing people of different nationality. That makes man a nazi.

Read that russians had raided an ukrainian culture center in Kharkov and burned books written in the ukrainian language.Reminds you of a certain ideology (yes,I know that the commies used to burn books as well)?

Wild Bill wrote:

Bobby wrote:And some of Svobodas earlier insignia looks a bit.....nazi.

I don't care about swastic. Not a swastic makes man a nazi.
Desire of killing people of different nationality. That makes man a nazi.

Uhhh, no.

Fun video showing how borders changed over last 1000 years or so. The on thing guaranteed is they will change again.

http://loiter.co/v/watch-as-1000years-o ... rs-change/

spamming the thread, but I am reading a book right now that covers Europe from about 1880 up to WWI. All of the alliance-making, hopes and fears of all the countries, which ones were rising, which waning, rise of social unrest and fading of royalty, etc. The gist of it is that Europe was filthy rich compared to the rest of the world, and pissed it all away in a world war that didn't need to happen, through a bunch of stupid decisions. Pretty much learning that Europe is foobar.

Hey, the Charge of the Light Brigade happened on Crimea.

nafod wrote:spamming the thread, but I am reading a book right now that covers Europe from about 1880 up to WWI. All of the alliance-making, hopes and fears of all the countries, which ones were rising, which waning, rise of social unrest and fading of royalty, etc. The gist of it is that Europe was filthy rich compared to the rest of the world, and pissed it all away in a world war that didn't need to happen, through a bunch of stupid decisions. Pretty much learning that Europe is foobar.

Hey, the Charge of the Light Brigade happened on Crimea.

Them Europs are better than we barbarians are in almost every way. Ask milosz, Phaedrus, and other smart libs here, they know about these things.

Bobby wrote:Read that russians had raided an ukrainian culture center in Kharkov and burned books written in the ukrainian language.Reminds you of a certain ideology?

Christianity?

I hope that the godless Russians learned that if you stand by and let a country vote freely in third-party monitored elections, your may have a handful of your officials not able to visit Disney World for a good few weeks.

Phaedrus wrote:I hope that the godless Russians learned that if you stand by and let a country vote freely in third-party monitored elections, your may have a handful of your officials not able to visit Disney World for a good few weeks.

I'm looking forward to the Russians supporting a referendum on Tibet breaking away from China.

As usual in such things, once it starts the truth gets lost quickly and the process degrades to the level of a school brawl. Ukrainians beating up Russians, Russians beating up Ukrainians, both burning each others' books, cars, waistbands and other crap. And every side will insist that "they started first". The more I watch this, the more respect and admiration I have for Orwell. If only this energy could be directed towards something productive.

German media: Ultranationalists played a key role in Ukrainian coup


BERLIN, March 13, New government in Kiev is non-transparent and disconnected, and radical nationalists are gaining strength there, the German newspaper Der Tagesspiegel reported on Thursday.The article points out the far from unanimous Ukrainian opposition is now in power and underscores the role of the ultra-right Svoboda (Freedom) party in the overthrow. The opposition feels at home not only in Kiev, and this is not only about Vitali Klitschko “trained” in the Konrad Adenauer Centre, says the paper.
Der Tagesspiegel cites Svoboda’s links to the Hungarian Jobbik radical nationalist party (the Movement for a Better Hungary) and the far-right National Democratic Party of Germany (NPD). According to the Simon Wiesenthal Center, the global Jewish human rights organization, Svoboda’s leader is an overt anti-Semite, says the media. Yet the EU is going to give billions of aid to the country whose government is opaque and disconnected, points the article.
Far-right radicals played one of the key roles in the coup in Kiev, reported the German news agency DPA. The black and red flag is proudly fluttering above Independence Square in the centre of Kiev, the flag of Ukrainian nationalists and the symbol of an overthrow in the former Soviet republic, DPA reports. Many of those who advocated the coup see the separatist Stepan Bandera as an inspiration, and Viktor Yanukovych would not be toppled without these ultra-nationalists and, partially, assault groups, the agency believes.
http://en.itar-tass.com/world/723363

unknown wrote:German media: Ultranationalists played a key role in Ukrainian coup


BERLIN, March 13, New government in Kiev is non-transparent and disconnected, and radical nationalists are gaining strength there, the German newspaper Der Tagesspiegel reported on Thursday.The article points out the far from unanimous Ukrainian opposition is now in power and underscores the role of the ultra-right Svoboda (Freedom) party in the overthrow. The opposition feels at home not only in Kiev, and this is not only about Vitali Klitschko “trained” in the Konrad Adenauer Centre, says the paper.
Der Tagesspiegel cites Svoboda’s links to the Hungarian Jobbik radical nationalist party (the Movement for a Better Hungary) and the far-right National Democratic Party of Germany (NPD). According to the Simon Wiesenthal Center, the global Jewish human rights organization, Svoboda’s leader is an overt anti-Semite, says the media. Yet the EU is going to give billions of aid to the country whose government is opaque and disconnected, points the article.
Far-right radicals played one of the key roles in the coup in Kiev, reported the German news agency DPA. The black and red flag is proudly fluttering above Independence Square in the centre of Kiev, the flag of Ukrainian nationalists and the symbol of an overthrow in the former Soviet republic, DPA reports. Many of those who advocated the coup see the separatist Stepan Bandera as an inspiration, and Viktor Yanukovych would not be toppled without these ultra-nationalists and, partially, assault groups, the agency believes.
http://en.itar-tass.com/world/723363

Well, Sorros has proven in the past he has no problems working with Nazis.

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Bobby wrote:Read that russians had raided an ukrainian culture center in Kharkov and burned books written in the ukrainian language.Reminds you of a certain ideology (yes,I know that the commies used to burn books as well)?

I can post a video where in Ukrainian schools(!!!) pupils chantig "knifes for russians! knifes for russians!" And teachers staying near, smiling and applauding :)
Or can post video where their minister of education humiliating russian children in kinder-garden.


I can understand them.

German economy depends on Russian materials, so they are not happy about economic embargoes on Russia.

The truth is that both the Ukrainian and Russian sides are playing dirty, but ultimately, Russians stand to lose far far more from expansion of this conflict. Every country that shares a border with Russia is taking a very close look at their security arrangements, and every pissant nationality within its border pressing its case for internal autonomy. After all, if a Russian minority can have autonomy in Ukraine, why can't they have autonomy in Russia? Russia is starting a fire but it can't control where it will burn, and she has no meaningful allies.

nafod wrote:

Phaedrus wrote:I hope that the godless Russians learned that if you stand by and let a country vote freely in third-party monitored elections, your may have a handful of your officials not able to visit Disney World for a good few weeks.

I'm looking forward to the Russians supporting a referendum on Tibet breaking away from China.

I'm waiting for Russia to take an active interest in Puerto Rico.

Fat Cat wrote:German economy depends on Russian materials, so they are not happy about economic embargoes on Russia.

The truth is that both the Ukrainian and Russian sides are playing dirty, but ultimately, Russians stand to lose far far more from expansion of this conflict. Every country that shares a border with Russia is taking a very close look at their security arrangements, and every pissant nationality within its border pressing its case for internal autonomy. After all, if a Russian minority can have autonomy in Ukraine, why can't they have autonomy in Russia? Russia is starting a fire but it can't control where it will burn, and she has no meaningful allies.

So far all they have taken solidly is the Crimea, and that's mostly Russian.

It's all a clusterfuck made worse by the little entitled checkerbaby in DC.

Dumber shit has lead to total wars before.

I agree with what you say about these other countries and the smart thing for Obozo to do would have been to condemn the Russian invasion while behind the scenes working with them to cut Ukraine into S.E Ukraine (to the Russians) and the rest to the West. NATO them, relaunch the missile shield in Poland and make the new Ukraine the new West Germany with 1-2 complete Army Groups based there.

We cant do shit at present.

DARTH wrote:

Fat Cat wrote:German economy depends on Russian materials, so they are not happy about economic embargoes on Russia.

The truth is that both the Ukrainian and Russian sides are playing dirty, but ultimately, Russians stand to lose far far more from expansion of this conflict. Every country that shares a border with Russia is taking a very close look at their security arrangements, and every pissant nationality within its border pressing its case for internal autonomy. After all, if a Russian minority can have autonomy in Ukraine, why can't they have autonomy in Russia? Russia is starting a fire but it can't control where it will burn, and she has no meaningful allies.

So far all they have taken solidly is the Crimea, and that's mostly Russian.

It's all a clusterfuck made worse by the little entitled checkerbaby in DC.

Dumber shit has lead to total wars before.

I agree with what you say about these other countries and the smart thing for Obozo to do would have been to condemn the Russian invasion while behind the scenes working with them to cut Ukraine into S.E Ukraine (to the Russians) and the rest to the West. NATO them, relaunch the missile shield in Poland and make the new Ukraine the new West Germany with 1-2 complete Army Groups based there.

We cant do shit at present.

Obama has economic and travel sanctions against 7 Russians. Shit's getting real now!