Russia and Ukraine

Wild Bill · Post by **Wild Bill** » Wed Apr 16, 2014 12:49 pm

When FC do 10min kettlebellsport set my mission will be complete. And i will seek other english speaking forum for other innocent souls :)

Fat Cat · Post by **Fat Cat** » Wed Apr 16, 2014 6:04 pm

Bill, here is GRU officer Strelkov an officer of the Chief Intelligence Department (GRU) of the Chief Command of Russia’s Armed Forces. Here he is photographed standing in front of a government building in Slavyansk. You asked for evidence that Russian military is operating in Ukraine, I have now given you video and photographs evidence. You can continue to deny reality but it only compromises your position.

http://www.charter97.org/en/news/2014/4/15/94615/

Fat Cat · Post by **Fat Cat** » Wed Apr 16, 2014 6:10 pm

Smet wrote:
Fat Cat wrote: The USSR was a totalitarian Judeo-Bolshevist nightmare.
Do you mind elaborating on "Judeo-" part?

That is not the point of this conversation but I will be happy to elaborate elsewhere.

Wild Bill · Post by **Wild Bill** » Wed Apr 16, 2014 8:28 pm

Fat Cat wrote:I have now given you video and photographs evidence.

Video with storm? As i said it is not evidence.
Igor Strelkov GFU oficer? Don't know... picture of dome man. And i must beleive that he is GRU oficer? I can post my pic and say i am from CIA.

Fat Cat · Post by **Fat Cat** » Wed Apr 16, 2014 8:44 pm

If you can't be honest, I can't be bothered to talk with you.

nafod · Post by **nafod** » Wed Apr 16, 2014 9:18 pm

Wild Bill wrote:
Fat Cat wrote:I have now given you video and photographs evidence.

Fat Cat · Post by **Fat Cat** » Wed Apr 16, 2014 9:25 pm

I'll just say this, Bill is welcome to believe what he wants to. I have, at least, provided evidence for why other people view things differently. Smet is notably silent.

Wild Bill · Post by **Wild Bill** » Wed Apr 16, 2014 9:51 pm

Fat Cat wrote:If you can't be honest

Why? Is just calling someone GRU oficer is enough?

If you aree so gullible, then why Smet's evidences about U.S. envolvment wasn't enough for you? :)

I repeat. there judt pic of a man. And just a words that he is from GRU.
I think it is not enough.

Wild Bill · Post by **Wild Bill** » Wed Apr 16, 2014 9:59 pm

Or maybe GRU oficers are like holywood stars and everyone knows them by face :)

Grandpa's Spells · Post by **Grandpa's Spells** » Wed Apr 16, 2014 10:02 pm

Bill, who do you think those soldiers are? They're obviously professional soldiers. Where are they from?

Wild Bill · Post by **Wild Bill** » Wed Apr 16, 2014 10:14 pm

Grandpa's Spells wrote:Bill, who do you think those soldiers are? They're obviously professional soldiers. Where are they from?

"They're obviously professional soldiers." and if they are professional soldiers its certainly means they are Russians?
Of course in Ukraine there no any profesional soldiers.
There mass protests against new government. There armed groups among them.
Could they be Ukrainians? Maybe sponsored and armed by Russia. Could? Or could not?

In any case. Just calling that someone from GRU obviously is not enough.

Fat Cat · Post by **Fat Cat** » Wed Apr 16, 2014 10:15 pm

What I don't get is this: ethnic Russians are Russian and need to be protected by Russia, according to Putin et al. But suddenly, if they pick up a weapon, they aren't Russian? The logic is tenuous.

Fat Cat · Post by **Fat Cat** » Wed Apr 16, 2014 10:16 pm

Wild Bill wrote:In any case. Just calling that someone from GRU obviously is not enough.

He was identified by photograph on SkyNews.

Wild Bill · Post by **Wild Bill** » Wed Apr 16, 2014 10:50 pm

Fat Cat wrote:
Wild Bill wrote:In any case. Just calling that someone from GRU obviously is not enough.
He was identified by photograph on SkyNews.

Wow! Its says all :)

Wild Bill · Post by **Wild Bill** » Wed Apr 16, 2014 10:52 pm

FC, look at yourself. When evidences about U.S. envolvement were brought to you, you just say something about conspirology :)
But here, just word from some photograph its enough for you. Isn't it strange?

Fat Cat · Post by **Fat Cat** » Wed Apr 16, 2014 11:15 pm

Wild Bill wrote:FC, look at yourself. When evidences about U.S. envolvement were brought to you, you just say something about conspirology :)
But here, just word from some photograph its enough for you. Isn't it strange?

No. I read all of the articles that Smet posted and there was no evidence, only allegation. I posted photographs and videos and all you could do was lie about it.

Fat Cat · Post by **Fat Cat** » Wed Apr 16, 2014 11:16 pm

As I said, you are not honest so don't bother trying to prolong the discussion with me.

Wild Bill · Post by **Wild Bill** » Wed Apr 16, 2014 11:17 pm

Fat Cat wrote: I posted photographs and videos and all you could do was lie about it.

You posted some staged scene "special for BBC", and a pic of some armed man.
How could you say they are from GRU? By the shape of scull?

Grandpa's Spells · Post by **Grandpa's Spells** » Wed Apr 16, 2014 11:52 pm

Wild Bill wrote:
Grandpa's Spells wrote:Bill, who do you think those soldiers are? They're obviously professional soldiers. Where are they from?
"They're obviously professional soldiers." and if they are professional soldiers its certainly means they are Russians?

No, they're obviously professional soldiers. I'm asking where you think they're from.

Could they be Ukrainians? Maybe sponsored and armed by Russia. Could? Or could not?

You obviously put a lot of thought into this subject. You don't have any opinion on where these soldiers came from?

Wild Bill · Post by **Wild Bill** » Thu Apr 17, 2014 12:04 am

Grandpa's Spells wrote: You don't have any opinion on where these soldiers came from?

They could be from Russia.
They could be from Ukraine.

There in the east of Ukraine they all speaks only in Russian. So nobody could say who are they.

What funny part is the fact that only evidenses are:
1 "Of course they are Russians"
2 "They looks like russians"
3 "They could be only Russians, its obvious."
etc... etc

My personal opinion - they are from Ukraine. Maybe with russian volonteers. But i also have no evidence who are they.

Wild Bill · Post by **Wild Bill** » Thu Apr 17, 2014 12:08 am

Who he is? I can't say.

Wild Bill · Post by **Wild Bill** » Thu Apr 17, 2014 12:17 am

BTW there a lot of similar evidences about Americans from Blackwater in Ukraine.
By similar evidence i mean videos and pics.

Bud Charniga's grape ape · Thu Apr 17, 2014 1:35 am

Blackwater doesn't exist anymore.

Wild Bill · Post by **Wild Bill** » Thu Apr 17, 2014 1:38 am

Bud Charniga's gaping asshole wrote:Blackwater doesn't exist anymore.

But i can post "evidence"!
Photos, videos, articles... etc

Fat Cat · Post by **Fat Cat** » Thu Apr 17, 2014 1:38 am

Then do it.

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