Russia and Ukraine

Fat Cat · Post by **Fat Cat** » Tue May 27, 2014 6:30 pm

I thought you were ignoring me. Imagine my delight. So, have you read this book?

Wild Bill · Post by **Wild Bill** » Tue May 27, 2014 11:38 pm

Ukrainian general on the knees near American ambasador :))))

Fat Cat · Post by **Fat Cat** » Wed May 28, 2014 12:25 am

Uh, Geoff Pyatt is not in that picture. This is what he looks like:

Wild Bill · Post by **Wild Bill** » Wed May 28, 2014 12:59 am

John F. Tefft

Wild Bill · Post by **Wild Bill** » Wed May 28, 2014 1:01 am

He has served as the United States' ambassador to Ukraine

Wild Bill · Post by **Wild Bill** » Wed May 28, 2014 1:05 am

Geoff Pyatt must wait a little :)

Fat Cat · Post by **Fat Cat** » Wed May 28, 2014 1:06 am

Wild Bill wrote:John F. Tefft

Dude, 5 years ago under V. Yushchenko's regime. C'mon man. We just assume you guys like the view from there.

Wild Bill · Post by **Wild Bill** » Wed May 28, 2014 1:09 am

ok ex-ambasador

Wild Bill · Post by **Wild Bill** » Wed May 28, 2014 1:16 am

http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=1624585

the photo was made in November 2013

Wild Bill · Post by **Wild Bill** » Wed May 28, 2014 1:22 am

It was a ritual in making Tefft a Cossack, but it actually Tefft who should kneel in such ritual :)

Fat Cat · Post by **Fat Cat** » Wed May 28, 2014 2:37 am

Wild Bill wrote:http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=1624585

the photo was made in November 2013

I thought gay marriage was illegal in Russia. Congratulations to the happy couple!

Wild Bill · Post by **Wild Bill** » Wed May 28, 2014 3:15 am

here without that pic :)
http://usembassykyiv.wordpress.com/2013 ... n-cossack/

Wild Bill · Post by **Wild Bill** » Wed May 28, 2014 3:22 am

But this took place when Yanukovich still was president. Yanukovich was an american puppet after all :))
http://khersonline.net/novosti/politika ... ablyu.html

Wild Bill · Post by **Wild Bill** » Wed May 28, 2014 3:24 am

btw, while searched for proofs, found some englishlanguige forum http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/sh ... d/page2648

Wild Bill · Post by **Wild Bill** » Wed May 28, 2014 3:31 am

Wild Bill wrote:btw, while searched for proofs, found some englishlanguige forum http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/sh ... d/page2648

more than two thousands pages

Fat Cat · Post by **Fat Cat** » Wed May 28, 2014 6:56 am

no thank you

Fat Cat · Post by **Fat Cat** » Wed May 28, 2014 10:57 pm

Wild Bill · Post by **Wild Bill** » Thu May 29, 2014 12:50 am

I am subscribed to audiobooks site, today's post
http://ebookee.org/Orlando-Figes-Crimea ... 23078.html
The terrible conflict that dominated the mid 19th century, the Crimean War killed at least 800,000 men and pitted Russia against a formidable coalition of Britain, France and the Ottoman Empire. Drawing on a range of sources, Figes gives the lived experience of the war, from that of the ordinary British soldier in his snow-filled trench, to the haunted, gloomy, narrow figure of Tsar Nicholas himself as he vows to take on the whole world in his hunt for religious salvation.

Wild Bill · Post by **Wild Bill** » Thu May 29, 2014 12:53 am

Can't find it on goodreeds.com
only this https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/885 ... n-war?ac=1
The Crimean War by Orlando Figes

Sangoma · Post by **Sangoma** » Thu May 29, 2014 2:20 am

Fat Cat wrote:I thought you were ignoring me. Imagine my delight. So, have you read this book?

I am ignoring your insults. As long as the conversation stays on civilised level I am open to it. No, I have not read the book, it's not published yet. The info just tells you that some analysts with university positions are of the opinion that USA plays the dangerous role in all this.

Fat Cat · Post by **Fat Cat** » Thu May 29, 2014 2:52 am

I've never insulted anyone in my entire life, but aren't you a little embarrassed to be citing books you haven't read to support your argument?

Sangoma · Post by **Sangoma** » Fri May 30, 2014 2:43 am

I didn't quote the book. I have quoted the fact that twenty two high ranked analysts have the view that USA is heavily involved in the dangerous game.

Viewed from the perspective of the 22 highly-credentialed analysts
who have contributed to this anthology, it’s an entirely different
story. Obama's pivot is global, in pursuit of unchallenged worldwide
dominance, leading to multiple direct and proxy wars. Neocon-
dominated Washington seeks to marginalize its Russian and Chinese
rivals, surrounding both countries with US bases. Ukraine is in the
eye of the storm, the crown jewel of NATO eastward expansion, the
last step in Washington's drive to incorporate all former Soviet
republics and Warsaw Pact countries into NATO and install missile
defense sites on Russia’s very border.

Wild Bill · Post by **Wild Bill** » Fri May 30, 2014 9:59 am

Banner in Donetsk :)
"300 Strelkov's"

Wild Bill · Post by **Wild Bill** » Sat May 31, 2014 12:07 am

Wow! Polland's volunteers among separatists in Donetsk :)

Fat Cat · Post by **Fat Cat** » Sat May 31, 2014 12:30 am

Smet wrote:I didn't quote the book. I have quoted the fact that twenty two high ranked analysts have the view that USA is heavily involved in the dangerous game.

Viewed from the perspective of the 22 highly-credentialed analysts
who have contributed to this anthology, it’s an entirely different
story. Obama's pivot is global, in pursuit of unchallenged worldwide
dominance, leading to multiple direct and proxy wars. Neocon-
dominated Washington seeks to marginalize its Russian and Chinese
rivals, surrounding both countries with US bases. Ukraine is in the
eye of the storm, the crown jewel of NATO eastward expansion, the
last step in Washington's drive to incorporate all former Soviet
republics and Warsaw Pact countries into NATO and install missile
defense sites on Russia’s very border.

You are playing games again. You don't have any idea what the book says because you are only familiar with the synopsis you posted. I am already aware that there are scum willing to pimp out the American people for the benefit of their academic careers.

That said, there is considerable hyperbole in the quote, to the point of nonsense. So, I indulge you...

Which direct wars is the USA involved in right now? And which proxy wars?

In what way is the USA marginalizing China? Is it with the billions of dollars we send them each year?

In what way has the USA surrounded China with US bases under the Obama administration?

How is the US "driving" ex-Soviet states into NATO and by what mechanism? Seems to me Putin has this one well in hand as all his neighbors are either his puppet (Belarus) or terrified of him (Georgia).

Why is Russia alarmed by a missile defense shield if it has no intention of using its missiles against its neighbors?

I don't believe that the USA is particularly innocent, but certainly, the idea that it is prosecuting some unilateral grand strategy is laughable. It also, and this is a consistent and critical flaw in your thinking, absurd to overlook the fact that Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Georgia, Ukraine, and Poland all have large, irrefutably anti-Russian constituencies. The reality is that virtually every country which shares borders with Russia faces aggression or the threat of it any time it tries to disengage from the bear's paw.

All you have managed so far is to say, "some people, somewhere, are saying something bad about the USA! See! This proves my point!" In fact it proves nothing other than that you lack strong rhetorical ability.

IGX

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