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nafod wrote: Mon Apr 25, 2022 11:49 am
Bennyonesix1 wrote: Sun Apr 24, 2022 6:02 pm I actually howled with laughter at this. Weird scary-eyebrow lady realizes what she is saying after 4 questions.
Do you disagree that Trump would have served up what Putin wanted?
Trump's first impeachment was because he threatened military aid to Ukraine.... if he supported Putin he would have cancelled it without conditions.

Trump continued to send "military aid" before and after that phone call. The peak year in this series was 2019, Trump called Ukraine that year.
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Trump continued to battle Putin in Syria. Five hundred Russian citizens, Wagner people, were killed by the US in an artillery strike.

https://www.businessinsider.com/us-kill ... ent-2022-3
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nafod wrote: Mon Apr 25, 2022 11:49 am
Bennyonesix1 wrote: Sun Apr 24, 2022 6:02 pm I actually howled with laughter at this. Weird scary-eyebrow lady realizes what she is saying after 4 questions.
Do you disagree that Trump would have served up what Putin wanted?
Trump's first impeachment was because he threatened military aid to Ukraine.... if he supported Putin he would have cancelled it without conditions.

Trump continued to send "military aid" before and after that phone call. The peak year in this series was 2019, Trump called Ukraine that year.
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Trump continued to battle Putin in Syria. Five hundred Russian citizens, Wagner people, were killed by the US in an artillery strike.

https://www.businessinsider.com/us-kill ... ent-2022-3
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nafod wrote: Mon Apr 25, 2022 11:49 am Do you disagree that Trump would have served up what Putin wanted?
Trump has said some incredibly stupid shit about Ukraine, like praising Putin. He is going to pay for it, that and his idiotic way of setting up his "Truth Serum" or whatever the fuck it's called. I looked into it, no Trump App on my phone thank you.

I sure hope that nobody here is bringing back the "Russian Collusion" narrative. Nobody except True Believers accepts that today.

Hillary ran a poor campaign. She ignored working class people. She promoted Identity Politics.

After she lost the election someone had to pay. That person was VV Putin.

I read "What happened".... bunch of excuses.

Hillary was a nut case.

In the 1970s "Liberals" complained about the CIA bumping off world leaders. Forty years later Hillary says "We came, we saw, he died" about Khaddafy.

Twelve second video....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DXDU48RHLU


Hillary was sickly and frail in 2016. Prone to collapses and possible seizures. Americans do not like sickly leaders. This is why FDR's malady was mostly hidden from the public. FDR was low key about it, even dignified.

http://archive.wilsonquarterly.com/essa ... n-handicap

In contrast, Hillary kept acting like she was still in the 1970s.

Here she buckles while the mystery van shows up... (seventeen seconds)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhf1HGaAFfg

Hillary nearly falls down the stairs... twice ( 31 seconds)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rbp3yne4h_4

It was 2016, not 1976. People see this shit, they wonder.

Hillary is wearing Zeiss Z1 sunglasses, to prevent epileptic siezures...
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She was wearing Fresnel lenses while testifying before Congress...
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I don't know if the stories of her nearly dying in a plane wreck in Iran are true. If they are she should have campaigned on it. If she had a bad fall, it happens. Shit happens. Sorry to see it. I don't like her, but I wanted her to be judged on her shitty policies, not her health.

Putin didn't take her Presidency. She got unlucky.


It's 2022.... the Durham Investigation continues.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-russ ... 1636152567

It's over, Nafod. I hope that Trump goes away. He's had his fun, his sport. He needs to step aside to let someone else do the Populist thing.

I hope that Biden and Clinton go away too. Biden is a fascist, promoting Civil Forfeiture, the Crime Bill and other Corporatist shit. Time for him to retire.

Bill and Hill are wealthy. They accomplish nothing pushing aside possible leaders.
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Gene wrote: Mon Apr 25, 2022 4:23 pm Trump continued to battle Putin in Syria. Five hundred Russian citizens, Wagner people, were killed by the US in an artillery strike.
Yeah, that was pretty awesome.
Gene wrote: Mon Apr 25, 2022 4:45 pm sure hope that nobody here is bringing back the "Russian Collusion" narrative.
The beauty of Trump is that he did his messaging to Putin in plain sight, standing on stage. “Russia, if you are listening…” They were, and followed through.

That he did it again, asking Putin to look into Hunter Biden (the wrong Biden son died) emails even while Putin is invading Ukraine and going on a rapefest is…not surprising. But it is disappointing that the Repubs just went “meh”.

The Trump/Russia thing has always been just plain weird, whether colluding or not.

Russia continues to bleed out in Ukraine. All good.
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nafod wrote: Wed Apr 27, 2022 2:35 pm
Gene wrote: Mon Apr 25, 2022 4:23 pm Trump continued to battle Putin in Syria. Five hundred Russian citizens, Wagner people, were killed by the US in an artillery strike.
Yeah, that was pretty awesome.
That hate is gonna burn you up, Nafod. Hopefully you get burned up before the rest of us get irradiated...

nafod wrote: Wed Apr 27, 2022 2:35 pm
Gene wrote: Mon Apr 25, 2022 4:45 pm sure hope that nobody here is bringing back the "Russian Collusion" narrative.
The beauty of Trump is that he did his messaging to Putin in plain sight, standing on stage. “Russia, if you are listening…” They were, and followed through.

That he did it again, asking Putin to look into Hunter Biden (the wrong Biden son died) emails even while Putin is invading Ukraine and going on a rapefest is…not surprising. But it is disappointing that the Repubs just went “meh”.

The Trump/Russia thing has always been just plain weird, whether colluding or not.
Collusion - secret or illegal cooperation or conspiracy, especially in order to cheat or deceive others.


Biden is creating a Ministry of Truth at the DHS. The Minitrue probably supports this asinine idea that collusion can be done in plain view.

https://www.hstoday.us/federal-pages/dh ... re-expert/
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Gene wrote: Fri Apr 29, 2022 2:33 pm Collusion - secret or illegal cooperation or conspiracy, especially in order to cheat or deceive others.
Don’t you wonder…

WTF is it with Trump and Russia?

Jared Kushner and Russia’s ambassador to Washington discussed the possibility of setting up a secret and secure communications channel between Trump’s transition team and the Kremlin, using Russian diplomatic facilities in an apparent move to shield their pre-inauguration discussions from monitoring, according to U.S. officials briefed on intelligence reports.
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nafod wrote: Fri Apr 29, 2022 6:37 pm
Don’t you wonder…

WTF is it with Trump and Russia?

Jared Kushner and Russia’s ambassador to Washington discussed the possibility of setting up a secret and secure communications channel between Trump’s transition team and the Kremlin, using Russian diplomatic facilities in an apparent move to shield their pre-inauguration discussions from monitoring, according to U.S. officials briefed on intelligence reports.
Discussed the possibility...... "unnamed sources" means "shit house rumor".

What the fuck is it with Biden/Clinton and Ukraine?

Hillary Clinton was US Secretary of State from 2009 to 2013.

The Clinton Foundation received big donations from Ukrainian oligarchs

"For example, the foundation received at least $8.6 million between 2009 and 2013 from the Victor Pinchuk Foundation in Kiev, Ukraine, whose founder is married to the daughter of former Ukrainian president Leonid Kuchma.""

https://philanthropynewsdigest.org/news ... foundation

After Hillary lost in 2016 the Clinton Foreign foundation closed its doors...... tough to peddle influence when you no longer have much of it.

The 2014 Maidan Coup went down between 18 Feb and 23 Feb 2014.

In April 2014 newly appointed "Action officer" for Ukraine, Joe Biden spoke at a press conference with Prime Minister Artesny Yatsuk.

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/th ... ister-arse

Hunter Biden was tossed out of the US Navy Reserve for drug problems in February 2014. Administrative Discharge for failing a drug test. He's the Vice President's son. The source of the discharge conditions was named as Commander Ryan Perry.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-bide ... 4120141017

A person kicked out of the US Navy for failing a piss test sounds like a bad risk. Right?

Well, not if you are trying to bribe the US's "action officer" in Ukraine. Hiring someone's kids is an old trick.

Hunter Biden started working for Mykolsky's Burisma Holdings in May of 2014. He had no previous experience with the oil and gas industry. About a few weeks after Joe's press conference above.

Former Polish President Kwasniewski said the following in Newsweek

"In an interview with The Associated Press on Thursday, Kwasniewski admitted that Biden was chosen to join the board because of his last name, but went on to explain that is how the business world works."

https://www.newsweek.com/ex-polish-pres ... er-1474728
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The 2014 "Revolution of Dignity" had its own problems. We Americans took Ukraine for a ride.

The EU wanted to replace Yanukovich with Vitaly Klitschko. Nuland wanted Yatsenyuk.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957

This is from 2014......

"Voice thought to be Nuland's: What do you think?"

"I think we're in play. The Klitschko [Vitaly Klitschko, one of three main opposition leaders] piece is obviously the complicated electron here. Especially the announcement of him as deputy prime minister and you've seen some of my notes on the troubles in the marriage right now so we're trying to get a read really fast on where he is on this stuff. But I think your argument to him, which you'll need to make, I think that's the next phone call you want to set up, is exactly the one you made to Yats [Arseniy Yatseniuk, another opposition leader]. And I'm glad you sort of put him on the spot on where he fits in this scenario. And I'm very glad that he said what he said in response.

"Nuland: Good. I don't think Klitsch should go into the government. I don't think it's necessary, I don't think it's a good idea."

"Pyatt: Yeah. I guess... in terms of him not going into the government, just let him stay out and do his political homework and stuff."

This is from the recorded conversation leaked by the Russians and for good reason..... what the fuck was the US government doing in Ukraine?

Who the fuck gave our people the right to pick who runs another country?

Here is a Salon article on "toria" Nuland. They wanted to encourage Biden to dump her, instead he proposed her.

https://www.salon.com/2021/01/19/who-is ... licy-team/
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Paul Manafort worked for Putin’s candidate in Ukraine, which means he worked for Putin. Then, he worked as Trump’s campaign manager “without a salary” because he’s that kind of guy.

Yeah, me neither. And that’s not unnamed sources.
Gene wrote: Fri Apr 29, 2022 10:20 pm Hunter Biden was tossed out of the US Navy Reserve for drug problems in February 2014. Administrative Discharge for failing a drug test. He's the Vice President's son. The source of the discharge conditions was named as Commander Ryan Perry.
I was still in at the time, and was proud of how we dealt with it. Zero pushback from the Veep office either.

Definitely the wrong son died.

As a parent, I feel for Joe having to watch his son struggle through life, never coming close to what his older brother was. Weak and manipulable. Being born into expectations isn’t necessarily a gift.

I kind of feel the same about Don Jr, but at least Hunter keeps his distance from the politics. Don Jr gets right in there, but he’s weak and stupid too.
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Gene wrote: Fri Apr 29, 2022 10:45 pm Who the fuck gave our people the right to pick who runs another country?
We didn’t pick Zelensky, the Ukrainians did in free and fair elections. We should be supporting democracy wherever it is found. Russia’s goal is the opposite.

Russia’s invasion is what will truly cement Ukraine as a country. Steel, forged in fire, tempered in Russian blood. In that way, I guess it is a gift.
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nafod wrote: Sat Apr 30, 2022 1:21 pm Paul Manafort worked for Putin’s candidate in Ukraine, which means he worked for Putin. Then, he worked as Trump’s campaign manager “without a salary” because he’s that kind of guy.

Yeah, me neither. And that’s not unnamed sources.
Here is an article by NBC about Manafort. If someone wants they can read between the lines. Especially about the Euromaidan. It was like the Jan 6 2021 "insurrection", except that the protesters had guns and really were Nazis.

Manfort also worked for Reagan, Dole and Ford. He's a "gun for hire". If he worked for Putin the article would have said so, but it doesn't. He worked for Yanukovitch and he worked for various 'right wing' people for decades.

Yanukovich, who also won an election, was thrown out of power after he refused to sign an "association" with the EU. This is what started the Euromaidan riots.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/wh ... ne-n775431

Manfort was pardoned by Trump.

Marc Rich, the guy who raped Russia of natural resources and who helped Saddam Hussein bust UN sanctions, was pardoned by Clinton. Rich fled to Switzerland to avoid prosecution. Presidents pardon sketchy people.
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nafod wrote: Sat Apr 30, 2022 1:21 pm
Gene wrote: Fri Apr 29, 2022 10:20 pm Hunter Biden was tossed out of the US Navy Reserve for drug problems in February 2014. Administrative Discharge for failing a drug test. He's the Vice President's son. The source of the discharge conditions was named as Commander Ryan Perry.
I was still in at the time, and was proud of how we dealt with it. Zero pushback from the Veep office either,
I was surprised that the US Navy does not prosecute drug users.

https://mymilitarylawyers.com/military- ... -you-fail/

Hunter is a deadbeat Dad. Maybe the Democrats got out of feminism after the Alpha Male bullshit in the 1990s? I put this here to show Hunter's weak character.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... -baby.html

I'm waiting to see when Hunter gets prosecuted for influence peddling.

He worked for a Ukrainian oligarch, without speaking the local language. Joe was "action officer" for Ukraine. The links are above and are convincing. Hunter was given a job by an Ukrainian Oligarch for something. What did he get?

Today Hunter peddles art. $500,000 a pop. His Daddy is President of the US of A. Maybe Hunter can put in a good word for you too?

https://thevillagesun.com/hunter-bidens ... -and-depth
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nafod wrote: Sat Apr 30, 2022 3:46 pm
Gene wrote: Fri Apr 29, 2022 10:45 pm Who the fuck gave our people the right to pick who runs another country?
We didn’t pick Zelensky, the Ukrainians did in free and fair elections. We should be supporting democracy wherever it is found. Russia’s goal is the opposite.

Russia’s invasion is what will truly cement Ukraine as a country. Steel, forged in fire, tempered in Russian blood. In that way, I guess it is a gift.
We "brokered" a deal that overthrew the last elected President of Ukraine, Victor Yanukovitch, back in 2014. Who can say if Zelenski was approved of first by the US and EU?

Here is Zelenski in body armor.... visiting the front lines in Donetsk. December 2021.

Zelenski is wearing a US issued FAST helmet. We wear the uniforms of our superiors, yes? Zelenski should have worn UAF issue.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12K0c2TZdDY

FAST Helmet - https://www.gentexcorp.com/ops-core/helmet-systems/

The front line aimed east towards Donetsk, not north east towards Russia..... Zelensky was not preventing a Russian invasion. Maybe the rumors that Kyiv was going to "settle Donbass" in March of 2022 really were true?

The Ukrainian Euromaidan people took the US at their word. The US has interests, not friends. Ask the South Vietnamese for more details.

Money talks. The Russians will sell gas to the EU. We Americans and the Qataris cannot compete with them in price. Money talks, romantic expressions and poetic ideals walk.

It's too early to tell how Ukraine will end up. I doubt that what we call Ukraine today will be "united". Eight years of terrorism in the "Anti-Terrorist Zone" ended any hope of Russian speaking States in East Ukraine. Unless Kiev/Kyiv wants to ethnically cleanse Russian speakers they made their bed.

The Kyiv regime trusted the US. Too bad for them.

I'd like to see Ukraine be like Finland. Since 1945 it's been quiet. They do their thing.


Russians are a paranoid people. If you lived with the Germans to your west and the Mongols to your east you would be paranoid too. They have nuclear weapons. We Americans finally picked the wrong people to bully.
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Gene wrote: Sun May 01, 2022 1:10 pm We Americans finally picked the wrong people to bully.
I think Russia picked the wrong people to bully.

I hope Ukraine ends up like Finland too. With you 100% on that.

And on Hunter…the wrong son died. I think we agree.
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Fantastic piece on UKR. I agree with everything. Baud is very careful to not cross the psychopathic Russiaphobes and hints at a great deal. He even mentions the possibility of an externally imposed Neutrality like with the Swiss. Which would be a decent solution as it would allow the Int'l Oligarchs to use it for their money laundering and provide RUS with a buffer state.

https://www.thepostil.com/our-interview ... ques-baud/

A related question, what happens when $50 billion USD gets sent to the most corrupt nation in EUR for purposes of "war-fighting"?

I'd imagine a different result would be obtained if it went to the least corrupt state.

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Arms are pouring out of Ukraine almost as fast as they are pouring in.


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nafod wrote: Sun May 01, 2022 1:46 pm
Gene wrote: Sun May 01, 2022 1:10 pm We Americans finally picked the wrong people to bully.
I think Russia picked the wrong people to bully.

I hope Ukraine ends up like Finland too. With you 100% on that.

And on Hunter…the wrong son died. I think we agree.
This is about dirty capitalism. Everyone involved in Ukraine, Nafod, is dirty.

"Dirty Capitalism" is not redundant, it's the consequence of partnerships between government and industry. When the force of the State joins capitalists we get fascism.

The Russians picked "separatist" republics that sit on the Yuzivska gas field. When these declared independence Dutch Shell stopped prospecting for shale gas.

We Americans want to sell Liquefied Natural Gas to Europe. Stirring the shit in Ukraine reduces supplies of Ukrainian and Russian gas to Europe.

Iran and the Persian Gulf states also have LNG to sell. Perhaps we need to start a war there too? I hope not.

Maybe part of our involvement is meant to sell US and EU weapons to Ukraine. Some will end up in the hands of terrorists. If not from Ukrainian thieves then from Russians hoping to do something "asymmetric".

You sidestepped Poroshenko and Yatsinyuk. I'm not surprised. I'd be ashamed of them too. Zelenksky may have won a standup election. I was talking about Victoria "The American Century" Nuland and Barack Hussein Obama, and their achievement of "brokering a deal". They picked Yatsinyuk and Poroshenko, we Americans had no right to do so.

What happened then follows to today.

The Swedes have been neutral since 1721. The last times that the Finns had allies was in 1945, and they were Nazi Germany. Neither one benefits from joining NATO.

Both countries need to sit this one out.
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nafod wrote: Sun May 01, 2022 1:46 pm And on Hunter…the wrong son died. I think we agree.
I have never said that I wanted either Biden brother dead. You have children, why would you wish such a horror onto anyone?

I oppose cheap virtue signaling like "socialism", graft/redistribution/vote buying schemes, 'common sense gun safety', and compulsory vaccination for glorified colds. I do not want to inflict misery onto anyone. I do not think that Wall Street knows what is best for everyone or anyone. Most of this crap comes from hirelings of Wall Street. Corporate foundations pay for a lot of progressive ideas through their prostitutes in the media, academia and the entertainment industry.

Joe Biden did not deserve to have a son die of cancer.

Hunter Biden shows me that Joe Biden has no real friends. A friend of Joe would have counseled Hunter to stop being a playboy. I suspect that a lot of Joe's friends tried to talk to Hunter. Hunter is a Biden and Bidens do not seem to listen too well.

A real friend of Joe would have given Hunter a job, one that shielded Joe from Hunter's lapses in good behavior. Hopefully Hunter could do enough to justify being on the payroll.

I do not think that Joe Biden has any real friends. Joe has people who use him for their own purposes.

I do not wish ill or well upon people. I wish ill or well onto what people do.
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Turkey blocks the admission of Finland and Sweden to NATO. They accuse both countries of supporting the Kurdistan People's Party.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/turk ... membership
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I've heard 2 very, very similar prophecies occur in 2 different parts of the world this year.

- The war will spill over to the rest of continental Europe by year's end or the first half of 2023.
- China will be involved in the next 5-10 years sparking WW3.

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Humans are the worst. I am continually amazed we’ve made it this far with nuclear weapons.

My MAGA hat wearing mom thinks we are going to get hit by an asteroid (Apophis) in 2029, unleashing the prophecies. The end times.

Time to read A Canticle for Liebowitz again.
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nafod wrote: Tue Jun 07, 2022 1:18 pm Humans are the worst. I am continually amazed we’ve made it this far with nuclear weapons.

My MAGA hat wearing mom thinks we are going to get hit by an asteroid (Apophis) in 2029, unleashing the prophecies. The end times. No reason not to fling about some nukes. It is written!

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