The couch thread

[T-L]

Someone on sealswcc asked Mike Caviston about all of the posting on the @F boards.

http://sealswcc.com/forum/topic.php?id=162

I’m not concerned about what Crossfit thinks of me. They have no actual knowledge of my job and an incomplete picture at best of what BUD/S is and what it requires. They also present a distorted picture of how important or influential Crossfit really is in the SEAL community. I’ve made the point many times that anyone interested in coming to BUD/S is free to prepare any way they see fit. We supply the best/most current advice available but nobody is obligated to use it. Be reminded that we at NSW are committed to giving each candidate the best chance of completing BUD/S and eventually joining a SEAL Team and that is our only concern regarding the information we provide. If there were better sources of information elsewhere we would endorse them because ultimately all we care about is getting more guys through BUD/S, not selling journal subscriptions or seminar spaces. I say “we” because I am just one of a team of many that includes SEALs, doctors, physical therapists, psychologists, nutritionists, educators, statisticians, strength and conditioning specialists, etc. We see the latest BUD/S classes in training, and we are always gaining insights as to what factors affect performance, and what leads to injury, and what can be done to improve the chances of success. If you really think you can get better information about what it takes to get ready for BUD/S, by all means go for it.

Mike Caviston
Director of Fitness, NSWCEN

Where are your experts couch? Your SEALS? Your etc...

[Volume Knob Goes To 11]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_n5US4ENnZNE/S ... xample.jpg

The picture above is Cassidy Phillips, Founder and CEO of Trigger Point Technologies, performing trigger point manipulations to my pectoral muscles.

I'll perform trigger point manipulations to your pectoral muscles for free.

[Turdacious]

Couch's SEALs

[dead man walking]

turd, your posted pic appears as a blue box with a ?

pls post link, as i know this is essential information.

[Sofa King]

Those aren't just "crazy eyes" those are "crazy as a shithouse rat eyes." Me likey.

Christ those pics got worse as you went down the list

She looked like a young lithe hott at a distance. Now she just looks like a life-long smoker that's spent too much time in the tanning bed.

Agree. She has the "Statue of Liberty" effect: great from a distance; hideous close up.

And WTF with the commie star on the handleball? Ghey as hell.

[WildGorillaMan]

Proof that there is no exercise that can't be gheyed up by making it a team effort

[The Nightman]

Agree. She has the "Statue of Liberty" effect: great from a distance; hideous close up.

And WTF with the commie star on the handleball? Ghey as hell.

AKA a Monet

[GoDogGo!]

Agree. She has the "Statue of Liberty" effect: great from a distance; hideous close up.

the first time I saw the pic I thought for a second that it was Andrea DuCane.

[powerlifter54]

Somebody who knows some people in Westside needs to get the real scoop, because my gut tells me this ain't it:
http://www.crossfit.com/cf-affiliates/2 ... 91228.html

Louie Simmons offers up his impression of instructing CrossFitters at the cert . . .

To all CrossFit members:

It was my pleasure to host my first CrossFit seminar for Powerlifting at Westside Barbell Columbus, OH. I was very impressed with each and every one of the CrossFit members. They were very receptive to the Westside conjugant method of training. This system is a mixture of the Soviet and Bulgarian System and Westsides own 43 years of experience. It's a perfect blend for Crossfit enthusiasts. The women were very receptive and I was amazed at their fitness level. They were as hard as nails, yet polished as pearls. They were very fit and ambitious. The guys were ultra athletics, strong and versatile. To put it in perspective, they are half man and half amazing. A big thanks to Dave Castro, the camera crew and the CrossFit affiliation for allowing me and Westside Barbell to perform clinics to teach proper lifting technique and loading. I can't wait until January's clinic. See you then!

Louie Simmons
Westside Barbell

Why do I get the feeling that @FHQ wrote this? Misspelling "conjugate"? Thanking the "@F affiliation" (WTF is that, anyway)? Thanking Shave Asstro by name, thanking the freaking camera crew? Something stinks here IMO. LOL at the "women were very receptive".

i smell a rat. Louie will talk to anybody about training, not to endorse their training but to learn from it. If you want to travel to Columbus and train with WSB once or twice, you would be welcome. Louie gave one of the best seminars i ever saw on one of his rare road trips, but rarely does them anymore. i am sure the @fit babes were hard bodies and the men were half men, but he would not call a skin and bones man in running shoes and a sleeveless shirt amazing.

The rubber will meet the road as you can't handle much of any of the WSB conjugate system doing that much poor technique plyo and way too much repetitive cardio. As a previous post explained, those idiots are addicted to metcons and even seeing PRs drop they haveo to have their endorphin fix.

My guess is over next 12-18 months the couch cycle of embracing an expert, claiming their work as his own, behind the scenes Glassination, then public schism will play out with the cult and Louie/Dave Tate. The cycle is much faster now than only two years ago as the widening gyre continues... "Things fall apart, the center cannot hold".


Stall, spin, crash, burn, die...

[lasalle]

Nice little shit storm brewing on one of my favorite topics: an affiliate opening up across the street from an established box. http://anonymity.com/http://www.board.c ... hp?t=54074

Barely literate box owner:

Hi Guys
I Have Recently Opened A New Box 8 Weeks Ago In My Home Town.things Are Going Great Due To Alot Of Hard Work.there Is One Other crossfit Here In The City ,that Has A Population Of 2 Million.In 5 Years They Have Managed Only 35-40 Members.In Eight Weeks I Have Managed 25 Full Time And 16 Coming Through The Fundamentals .the Other crossfit have Now Have Decided To Move In 200 Yards From Me Into A Area Of The City I Have Worked Hard To Push The Crossfit Name.

Needless To Say I Am ****ed ,but That Wont Fix The Problem.i Was Wondering If Any Of You Guys Had experienced some Of this Immoral Behavior And What Did You Do About It.

At End Of The Day Cream Rise's To The Top , So I Know I Will Be Ok . It Just Makes More Work Dealin With This , Which Is Hard Enough Already Been A One Man Show

Fat fucker who doesn't own a box, but is happy to tow the line:

Not sure at all how this is "immoral behavior." It's business. Deal with it or fade away.

Annoying brown shirt motherfucker:

If I had an affiliate open accross the street from me I would:
1. Charge 50% MORE than them, and work hard to prove we are worth it.
2. I would refer people to them who say my price is too high. I would edify them at any opportunity (unless they are undesireable- in which case I would just keep my mouth shut).
3. I would reach out to them and offer any assistance I could.
4. I would see if they would like to co-market and split costs.
5. I would try to stage events and workshops in coordination with them and present a united and encouraging front.
6. I would car-pool to the games.

Realist about to find himself banned:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jason Flora View Post
Glassman says Crossfits can be like Starbucks... There can be one on every corner...
Not that I particularly disagree, but keep in mind this is coming from the guy who collects $2000 per year per affiliate, so it is in his best interest to have one on every corner. I would be interesting to see some research or studies to back this up.

This thread will likely disappear in a few minutes...

[Foul-Mouthed Ignoramus]

i Was Wondering If Any Of You Guys Had experienced some Of this Immoral Behavior And What Did You Do About It.

CRUSADER opened a box?

[wtfmate]

i Was Wondering If Any Of You Guys Had experienced some Of this Immoral Behavior And What Did You Do About It.

Someone noticed it and started a thread on IGX. Its called "The couch thread".

[lasalle]

Is it Friday yet?

[wtfmate]

Is it Friday yet?

Is she lifting or trying to give birth?

[Jag Panzer]

Not sure that one's spitting out any babies. Just saying.

[Kraj]

The Starbucks analogy Couch uses is idiotic. New Starbucks stores most definitely take away from other Starbucks stores, but it doesn't really matter because the profits are all going to the parent company. Not so when it comes to CrossFit. Too bad most of these cunts are too stupid to realize that and just keep towing the company line.

[afredus]

Mike Boyle on @fit again on the latest Fitcast - #161. From roughly 24:30 to 32:30. "I'd have to say the 'C-word' [pause] crossfit [...] will fall out of favor and kettlebells will come more into favor". Then a few minutes later talks about injury and @fit for a few minutes.

"will become less culty and less centered around one person".

"As the injury rate mounts, people will say this isn't a great idea."

Discusses problems with de-conditioned adults doing @fit, specifically shoulder and low back problems.

[ab g-d]

The Starbucks analogy Couch uses is idiotic. New Starbucks stores most definitely take away from other Starbucks stores, but it doesn't really matter because the profits are all going to the parent company. Not so when it comes to CrossFit. Too bad most of these cunts are too stupid to realize that and just keep towing the company line.

and 600 Starbucks were closed when the economy tanked last year...one can only hope

[Pinky]

@fit has sent far more people to the hospital than Starbucks ever will.

[Hebrew Hammer]

Nice little shit storm brewing on one of my favorite topics: an affiliate opening up across the street from an established box. http://anonymity.com/http://www.board.c ... hp?t=54074

Barely literate box owner:

Hi Guys
I Have Recently Opened A New Box 8 Weeks Ago In My Home Town.things Are Going Great Due To Alot Of Hard Work.there Is One Other crossfit Here In The City ,that Has A Population Of 2 Million.In 5 Years They Have Managed Only 35-40 Members.In Eight Weeks I Have Managed 25 Full Time And 16 Coming Through The Fundamentals .the Other crossfit have Now Have Decided To Move In 200 Yards From Me Into A Area Of The City I Have Worked Hard To Push The Crossfit Name.

Needless To Say I Am ****ed ,but That Wont Fix The Problem.i Was Wondering If Any Of You Guys Had experienced some Of this Immoral Behavior And What Did You Do About It.

At End Of The Day Cream Rise's To The Top , So I Know I Will Be Ok . It Just Makes More Work Dealin With This , Which Is Hard Enough Already Been A One Man Show

Fat fucker who doesn't own a box, but is happy to tow the line:

Not sure at all how this is "immoral behavior." It's business. Deal with it or fade away.

Annoying brown shirt motherfucker:

If I had an affiliate open accross the street from me I would:
1. Charge 50% MORE than them, and work hard to prove we are worth it.
2. I would refer people to them who say my price is too high. I would edify them at any opportunity (unless they are undesireable- in which case I would just keep my mouth shut).
3. I would reach out to them and offer any assistance I could.
4. I would see if they would like to co-market and split costs.
5. I would try to stage events and workshops in coordination with them and present a united and encouraging front.
6. I would car-pool to the games.

Realist about to find himself banned:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jason Flora View Post
Glassman says Crossfits can be like Starbucks... There can be one on every corner...
Not that I particularly disagree, but keep in mind this is coming from the guy who collects $2000 per year per affiliate, so it is in his best interest to have one on every corner. I would be interesting to see some research or studies to back this up.

This thread will likely disappear in a few minutes...

This is known as encroachment. The best systems have data-driven analyses, but franchisees always seek territory protection. Some franchisors and distributors protect territories by contract, some by policy without contractual protection, and others don't protect. It's rare not to protect at all as most prospective franchisees are smart enough to want to have protection to build their business.

The affiliates are sheep if they don't form an independent franchisee association (or affiliate association or whatever you want to call it) to negotiate with Crossfit to protect themselves on issues like encroachment, fees, quality control, marketing, public relations, and the RRG. Associations are very powerful. For example, as leverage they could say, "Do X,Y, and Z or we'll all change our name to [hot name], improve standards, and leave you behind." There's no need to reinvent the wheel as hundreds of systems have associations, and some organizations provide ready-to-go by-laws, funding mechanisms, etc. They can cost very little to run.

The real question is whether affiliates want to protect their livelihoods, investment and reputation, and whether they're willing to stand up and demand to be treated fairly.

[JohnnyBadAss]

This is known as encroachment. The best systems have data-driven analyses, but franchisees always seek territory protection. Some franchisors and distributors protect territories by contract, some by policy without contractual protection, and others don't protect. It's rare not to protect at all as most prospective franchisees are smart enough to want to have protection to build their business.

The affiliates are sheep if they don't form an independent franchisee association (or affiliate association or whatever you want to call it) to negotiate with Crossfit to protect themselves on issues like encroachment, fees, quality control, marketing, public relations, and the RRG. Associations are very powerful. For example, as leverage they could say, "Do X,Y, and Z or we'll all change our name to [hot name], improve standards, and leave you behind." There's no need to reinvent the wheel as hundreds of systems have associations, and some organizations provide ready-to-go by-laws, funding mechanisms, etc. They can cost very little to run.

The real question is whether affiliates want to protect their livelihoods, investment and reputation, and whether they're willing to stand up and demand to be treated fairly.

The key to this would be having business savvy people running the affiliates though. Most of these people don't know the difference between an LLC and a swift kick in the ass. They're more concerned with being ousted from couch's grand plans than securing their own livelihood.

[Hebrew Hammer]

This is known as encroachment. The best systems have data-driven analyses, but franchisees always seek territory protection. Some franchisors and distributors protect territories by contract, some by policy without contractual protection, and others don't protect. It's rare not to protect at all as most prospective franchisees are smart enough to want to have protection to build their business.

The affiliates are sheep if they don't form an independent franchisee association (or affiliate association or whatever you want to call it) to negotiate with Crossfit to protect themselves on issues like encroachment, fees, quality control, marketing, public relations, and the RRG. Associations are very powerful. For example, as leverage they could say, "Do X,Y, and Z or we'll all change our name to [hot name], improve standards, and leave you behind." There's no need to reinvent the wheel as hundreds of systems have associations, and some organizations provide ready-to-go by-laws, funding mechanisms, etc. They can cost very little to run.

The real question is whether affiliates want to protect their livelihoods, investment and reputation, and whether they're willing to stand up and demand to be treated fairly.

The key to this would be having business savvy people running the affiliates though. Most of these people don't know the difference between an LLC and a swift kick in the ass. They're more concerned with being ousted from couch's grand plans than securing their own livelihood.

That's actually two more reasons for forming an association. One is to protect against deafilliation without good cause and good faith. Two is to develop the system's business model so that everyone learns how to make more money. This would include seeing to it that their fees paid into the system go in part to marketing, which could include national advertising and local promotion and marketing programs that affiliates could use. One of the main ideas of a franchise is that you don't need to be a business genius. You just need to be good at executing the system.

[Mickey O'neil]

FUUUUUCKKKKKKKKKK..Urban has "crazy eyes". Is it some code on the @Fit main page that casues it, or do crazy bitches just get done with @fit. Urban and Dallas actually have some of the better programing I have seen. Some stuff just turns into too much math.

http://whole9life.com/2009/12/beware-th ... y-met-con/

is link to piece about increased performance, but less fun.

http://crossfitwhole9.com/2009/08/power-all-around/

Just solid work outs. They must be on their way out with Rob and Greg. I wish it were true that Rob, Greg, Rip and Welbourne were going out on their own. Bring Dutch, Rut and OPT and you would have a solid bunch of dudes that knew their shit. Bring Dan John in and..........................

Yep, this is very solid. I like it a lot. This and MEBB is the way to do it. If the above people started their own shit I would be in on that.

[CultBuster]

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This is behavior I see more and more from @fitters. A family portrait celebrating a special event and you have a lone @fitter in a skin tight tank top, short skirt and bare feet. I was on a ski trip last week and a guy with us tried to wear a beanie to dinner (fucking tap out) and takes his short off at every oppurtunity. We could start an entire thread of them being idiots. The ski trip also had an OHS with skis and a hand stand picture. I went to college with this guy and now I want to punch him in the face every time I see him. "@FIT---Forging utter DOUCHEBAGS!"

[friedquads]

The Starbucks analogy Couch uses is idiotic. New Starbucks stores most definitely take away from other Starbucks stores, but it doesn't really matter because the profits are all going to the parent company. Not so when it comes to CrossFit. Too bad most of these cunts are too stupid to realize that and just keep towing the company line.

and 600 Starbucks were closed when the economy tanked last year...one can only hope

Crossfit Staten Island is one example that bit the dust. Too bad Google or Archive.org couldn't cache the page in time, but the lulz of what Google did manage to salvage:

27 Sep 2009 by Magnum
I have regretfully decided to close down CrossFit Staten Island as an affiliate of CrossFit. I am deeply saddened to admit that Staten Island is not ready to embrace a methodology that is both complete and diverse as a quality exercise ...

Could have been the economy OR could it be that the people who live on Staten Island could smell the bullshit? You decide.