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Turdacious wrote:

Grandpa's Spells wrote:

Turdacious wrote:Maybe it's because they actually want to get good results. Educate me on what problems the looting heavy protests have actually solved, other than providing evidence to reinforce stereotypes.

The people acting out aren't trying to accomplish anything. It's rage. I understand why kids throw rocks at Israeli soldiers, even though I don't think it will accomplish anything.

Every single time you see people rising up and trashing the place out of anger at the police, it turns out the police were abusive for years. This shit, while counterproductive, does not happen for no reason. See: all over during the 1960's, 1990's LA, 2010's St. Louis. Then the worst of the worst get put on the TV, because scaring whitey is good for business.

Malcolm X spent time as a petty criminal, and most certainly had unpleasant experiences with the popo. MLK, living under Jim Crow, probably had no experience with police brutality-- certainly not dogs, nightsticks, or water cannons.

'Hey we had great mentors-- let's ignore them!'

Grandpa's Spells wrote:

Turdacious wrote:

Grandpa's Spells wrote:

Turdacious wrote:Maybe it's because they actually want to get good results. Educate me on what problems the looting heavy protests have actually solved, other than providing evidence to reinforce stereotypes.

The people acting out aren't trying to accomplish anything. It's rage. I understand why kids throw rocks at Israeli soldiers, even though I don't think it will accomplish anything.

Every single time you see people rising up and trashing the place out of anger at the police, it turns out the police were abusive for years. This shit, while counterproductive, does not happen for no reason. See: all over during the 1960's, 1990's LA, 2010's St. Louis. Then the worst of the worst get put on the TV, because scaring whitey is good for business.

Malcolm X spent time as a petty criminal, and most certainly had unpleasant experiences with the popo. MLK, living under Jim Crow, probably had no experience with police brutality-- certainly not dogs, nightsticks, or water cannons.

'Hey we had great mentors-- let's ignore them!'

Now, as then, most protests are nonviolent. Now, as then, riots also happen.

T>1200 wrote:Not sure why the tilting at windmills over arguments only the most strident leftists hold.

Phaedrus wrote:

T>1200 wrote:Not sure why the tilting at windmills over arguments only the most strident leftists hold.

It's harder to argue vs logically-based, factual, middle-of-the-road views.

Turdacious wrote:Riots also tend to destroy the community angry about a problem in the first place. But we shouldn't teach that.

Grandpa's Spells wrote:

Turdacious wrote:Riots also tend to destroy the community angry about a problem in the first place. But we shouldn't teach that.

Why do you act like understanding why people riot is the same thing as endorsing rioting?

T>1200 wrote:For fucks sakes Johno, look at the shit captured on cameras these days. Now imagine how much shit went down before cameras existed. ...
Or, its all made up and blacks are lazy and dumb.

T>1200 wrote:No, the individual is responsible for his or her acts, which is why its foolish for people in this thread to blame "the protestors" or "black people" for the acts of a few looters and arsonists.

T>1200 wrote:No, the individual is responsible for his or her acts, which is why its foolish for people in this thread to blame "the protestors" or "black people" for the acts of a few looters and arsonists.

Phaedrus wrote:

T>1200 wrote:No, the individual is responsible for his or her acts, which is why its foolish for people in this thread to blame "the protestors" or "black people" for the acts of a few looters and arsonists.

Then perhaps it's a media because what I see in places like this is a smash and grab for electronics and alcohol, store owners who say they've been looted on multiple occasions and things of that nature. Every interview with a protester is largely incoherent and appears to want nothing in terms of end goals.

Ferguson, Mo., police officer Darren Wilson and Michael Brown fought for control of the officer’s gun, and Wilson fatally shot the unarmed teenager after he moved toward the officer as they faced off in the street, according to interviews, news accounts and the full report of the St. Louis County autopsy of Brown’s body.

Because Wilson is white and Brown was black, the case has ignited intense debate over how police interact with African American men. But more than a half-dozen unnamed black witnesses have provided testimony to a St. Louis County grand jury that largely supports Wilson’s account of events of Aug. 9, according to several people familiar with the investigation who spoke with The Washington Post.

Some of the physical evidence — including blood spatter analysis, shell casings and ballistics tests — also supports Wilson’s account of the shooting, The Post’s sources said, which casts Brown as an aggressor who threatened the officer’s life. The sources spoke on the condition of anonymity because they are prohibited from publicly discussing the case.

Johnetta Elzie saw that she was outnumbered. When she tried to answer students’ questions about the protests that followed the fatal police shooting of Michael Brown, the men with her interrupted and answered instead. When she tried to tell her story, the men told theirs instead.

It was about three weeks after Ferguson erupted in unrest last summer and Elzie, another female activist, and six men from the fledgling protest movement were speaking to a room full of Washington University students in St. Louis. Except only the men were talking.

“The other woman was silent. She was just sitting there,” recalled Elzie, 25. “So I just politely packed up all my stuff and went down to the library. I couldn't take it.”

Several young women involved in organizing the Ferguson protests have described similar encounters with a gender barrier: men bowling them over at meetings or not inviting them to help make decisions. The media, they said, also tended to focus on the guys, who sometimes delivered more inflammatory sound bites — about, say, the likelihood of a riot.

DARTH wrote:It's getting time to let some folks drink from the firehouse!

ST. LOUIS (CNN) —A woman appears to have accidentally fatally shot herself in the head with a gun bought to prepare for possible Ferguson-related unrest, according to sources briefed on the police investigation.

The shooting occurred Friday night in downtown St. Louis, the city's Metropolitan Police Department said, in an area dominated by vacant lots beside a football stadium.

The female victim, identified in a police report as Becca Campbell, 26, was a passenger in a car involved in an auto accident. Her 33-year-old boyfriend was driving, the sources told CNN.

The boyfriend, who wasn't identified, told police that the couple had bought a gun because of fears of unrest related to the pending grand jury decision on the shooting of Michael Brown, the sources said.

He told investigators that as they drove late Friday night, the victim waved a gun, jokingly saying the couple were ready for Ferguson, the sources said.

He ducked to get out of the way of the gun and accidentally rear-ended another car. He said the accident caused the gun to go off and she was struck by a bullet in the head, the sources said.

The victim was rushed to a hospital but died.

The investigation is continuing because police want to be sure the story as told by the boyfriend is correct, the sources said. Police are awaiting gun trace results, as part of the ongoing investigation.

DARTH wrote:...the Military is doing aerial manurers over the DC area between midnight and 2am.