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Herv100 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 9:59 pm

lasalle wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 1:15 am

Herv100 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 25, 2020 4:16 pm

lasalle wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 7:46 pm No one on this board is going to convince anyone else to vote for someone other than their guy. That said, this obsession with Hunter Biden amuses me to no end. Let's apply the same journalistic/evidentiary standards you're using and apply them to Trump. How about:
-a "gift" of $10M in cash from Egypt to Trump
-Trump's bank account in China
-Trump's tax records and dodgy deductions for himself and his family
-The fuck ton of money owed by Trump, Inc to foreign governments, including Russia
-Trump jamming through a $25B no bid deal to Gingrich and other cronies

etc., etc. All all of that is 'fake news', but somehow Hunter Biden will herald the end of democracy? Hunter Biden is trading off dad's name-no doubt-but let's look at Trump's kids.

Anyway, all of this is shouting into the well.

Showing the Biden’s are blackmailable is just icing on the cake. Biden is worse in nearly every way and every issue. Look at the 2nd Amendment alone. Vote Biden if you want to be relegated to lever actions and revolvers, 1800’s technology, like a chump.

OK-I'll bite. How is Biden worse on every issue?

Let's set aside the 2nd amendment. I personally don't think the founding fathers envisioned that Leroy from East Ass, Michigan would need an Uzi, so you and I will never see eye to eye there.

I think the planet is melting, and that more coal and gas is not the way forward. Maybe I'm biased because I'm in CA which is in the process of burning to the ground, but how is Trump going to do anything but deny and drill?

Taxes: Trump has run up RECORD deficits. And you can't blame it on COVID, because he was already there by January 2020.

Maybe Trump is less of a war monger? I'll give you that one.

What else is keeping you up at night about Biden? I'm legit asking, because we as a country don't get to have dialogue with the "other side", and I'd welcome your perspective.

For what it's worth, I think Biden is 10 kinds of mediocre, but candidly I'd vote for a cadaver before I'd want to see another 4 years of Trump and his cronies.

Are you voting to repeal civil rights protections in CA?

Fat Cat wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 9:26 pm

lasalle wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 1:15 am Maybe Trump is less of a war monger? I'll give you that one.

It's more than a bit insane that you reel off really important things like "no war" as if they're afterthoughts. Is that really just some throwaway to you?

That said, I can't get behind the naked corruption, chaos and incompetence of the Orange One...

nafod wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 4:21 pm

That said, I can't get behind the naked corruption, chaos and incompetence of the Orange One...

Trump confirmed that an awful lot of people have a price on their principles.

lasalle wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 3:53 pm

Herv100 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 9:59 pm

lasalle wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 1:15 am

Herv100 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 25, 2020 4:16 pm

lasalle wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 7:46 pm No one on this board is going to convince anyone else to vote for someone other than their guy. That said, this obsession with Hunter Biden amuses me to no end. Let's apply the same journalistic/evidentiary standards you're using and apply them to Trump. How about:
-a "gift" of $10M in cash from Egypt to Trump
-Trump's bank account in China
-Trump's tax records and dodgy deductions for himself and his family
-The fuck ton of money owed by Trump, Inc to foreign governments, including Russia
-Trump jamming through a $25B no bid deal to Gingrich and other cronies

etc., etc. All all of that is 'fake news', but somehow Hunter Biden will herald the end of democracy? Hunter Biden is trading off dad's name-no doubt-but let's look at Trump's kids.

Anyway, all of this is shouting into the well.

Showing the Biden’s are blackmailable is just icing on the cake. Biden is worse in nearly every way and every issue. Look at the 2nd Amendment alone. Vote Biden if you want to be relegated to lever actions and revolvers, 1800’s technology, like a chump.

OK-I'll bite. How is Biden worse on every issue?

Let's set aside the 2nd amendment. I personally don't think the founding fathers envisioned that Leroy from East Ass, Michigan would need an Uzi, so you and I will never see eye to eye there.

I think the planet is melting, and that more coal and gas is not the way forward. Maybe I'm biased because I'm in CA which is in the process of burning to the ground, but how is Trump going to do anything but deny and drill?

Taxes: Trump has run up RECORD deficits. And you can't blame it on COVID, because he was already there by January 2020.

Maybe Trump is less of a war monger? I'll give you that one.

What else is keeping you up at night about Biden? I'm legit asking, because we as a country don't get to have dialogue with the "other side", and I'd welcome your perspective.

For what it's worth, I think Biden is 10 kinds of mediocre, but candidly I'd vote for a cadaver before I'd want to see another 4 years of Trump and his cronies.

Are you voting to repeal civil rights protections in CA?

I am anti-affirmative action and am voting accordingly. I think CA in general and SF (my area) in general are a borderline banana republic. I had a very good economic 2020. I will essentially be paying 56% tax. Let that settle in.

That said, I can't get behind the naked corruption, chaos and incompetence of the Orange One, and their deep embrace of fascism. Yes-fascism. Show me a center-right party that believes in science, and they'll get my vote.

DrDonkeyLove... wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 5:46 pm I'll bite on that one. Perhaps his tough guy personna and supposed friendliness with dictators of all stripes could lead one to that conclusion. But, I don't see any more suppression or gov't control with him than with his recent predecessors. Tough talk, yes. Tough deeds, no.

His America First deeds haven't been fascistic IMO

What am I missing.

Twenty former U.S. attorneys — all of them Republicans — on Tuesday publicly called President Trump “a threat to the rule of law in our country,” and urged that he be replaced in November with his Democratic opponent, former vice president Joe Biden.

“The President has clearly conveyed that he expects his Justice Department appointees and prosecutors to serve his personal and political interests,” said the former prosecutors in an open letter. They accused Trump of taking “action against those who have stood up for the interests of justice.”

The letter, signed by prosecutors appointed by every GOP president from Eisenhower to Trump, is the latest instance of Republicans backing Biden. In August, dozens of GOP national security experts signed a full-page newspaper ad endorsing Biden over Trump.

Seventy former Republican officials from various national security agencies pledged in an open letter Thursday to vote for the Democratic nominee, former vice president Joe Biden. They will mount a campaign in swing states to advocate for the leader of the party they have opposed their whole lives.

“While we — like all Americans — had hoped that Donald Trump would govern wisely, he has disappointed millions of voters who put their faith in him and has demonstrated that he is dangerously unfit to serve another term,”

nafod wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 6:10 pm

DrDonkeyLove... wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 5:46 pm I'll bite on that one. Perhaps his tough guy personna and supposed friendliness with dictators of all stripes could lead one to that conclusion. But, I don't see any more suppression or gov't control with him than with his recent predecessors. Tough talk, yes. Tough deeds, no.

His America First deeds haven't been fascistic IMO

What am I missing.

You ever recall seeing stuff like this with other candidates? A total onslaught...

Twenty former U.S. attorneys — all of them Republicans — on Tuesday publicly called President Trump “a threat to the rule of law in our country,” and urged that he be replaced in November with his Democratic opponent, former vice president Joe Biden.

“The President has clearly conveyed that he expects his Justice Department appointees and prosecutors to serve his personal and political interests,” said the former prosecutors in an open letter. They accused Trump of taking “action against those who have stood up for the interests of justice.”

The letter, signed by prosecutors appointed by every GOP president from Eisenhower to Trump, is the latest instance of Republicans backing Biden. In August, dozens of GOP national security experts signed a full-page newspaper ad endorsing Biden over Trump.

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Seventy former Republican officials from various national security agencies pledged in an open letter Thursday to vote for the Democratic nominee, former vice president Joe Biden. They will mount a campaign in swing states to advocate for the leader of the party they have opposed their whole lives.

“While we — like all Americans — had hoped that Donald Trump would govern wisely, he has disappointed millions of voters who put their faith in him and has demonstrated that he is dangerously unfit to serve another term,”

lasalle wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 3:56 pm

Fat Cat wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 9:26 pm

lasalle wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 1:15 am Maybe Trump is less of a war monger? I'll give you that one.

It's more than a bit insane that you reel off really important things like "no war" as if they're afterthoughts. Is that really just some throwaway to you?

Hahahahaha. Dude. Not an afterthought. I'm trying to find one thing that this administration has done that's positively meaningful. Happy to raise a glass to him if he delivers on his promise to get the troops out of Afghanistan by Christmas. I'm not holding my breath.

lasalle wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 3:53 pm That said, I can't get behind the naked corruption, chaos and incompetence of the Orange One, and their deep embrace of fascism. Yes-fascism. Show me a center-right party that believes in science, and they'll get my vote.

DrDonkeyLove... wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 7:35 pm ...I'm inured to a bunch of gov't careerists I don't know signing letters.

nafod wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 12:53 pm Russia wasn't a democracy then. It's not now, either. Democracy doesn't seem to get along with Russians. They like their authoritarians.

There are plenty of European countries that are democratic and progressive.

nafod wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 2:24 am Ahhhhhhahahahaha!
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Fat Cat wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 6:38 pm Dude, stop with the Russian thing. It's sad and makes you look like a panicking lesbian like Rachel Maddow.

One month before a purported leak of files from Hunter Biden's laptop, a fake "intelligence" document about him went viral on the right-wing internet, asserting an elaborate conspiracy theory involving former Vice President Joe Biden's son and business in China.

The document, a 64-page composition that was later disseminated by close associates of President Donald Trump, appears to be the work of a fake "intelligence firm" called Typhoon Investigations, according to researchers and public documents.

The author of the document, a self-identified Swiss security analyst named Martin Aspen, is a fabricated identity, according to analysis by disinformation researchers, who also concluded that Aspen's profile picture was created with an artificial intelligence face generator. The intelligence firm that Aspen lists as his previous employer said that no one by that name had ever worked for the company and that no one by that name lives in Switzerland, according to public records and social media searches.

One of the original posters of the document, a blogger and professor named Christopher Balding, took credit for writing parts of it when asked about it and said Aspen does not exist.

Glenn Greenwald of The Intercept wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 10:45 pm First, the claim that the material is of suspect authenticity or cannot be verified -- the excuse used on behalf of Biden by Leslie Stahl and Christiane Amanpour, among others -- is blatantly false for numerous reasons. As someone who has reported similar large archives in partnership with numerous media outlets around the world (including the Snowden archive in 2014 and the Intercept’s Brazil Archive over the last year showing corruption by high-level Bolsonaro officials), and who also covered the reporting of similar archives by other outlets (the Panama Papers, the WikiLeaks war logs of 2010 and DNC/Podesta emails of 2016), it is clear to me that the trove of documents from Hunter Biden’s emails has been verified in ways quite similar to those.

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Second, the oft-repeated claim from news outlets and CIA operatives that the published emails and texts were “Russian disinformation” was, from the start, obviously baseless and reckless. No evidence — literally none — has been presented to suggest involvement by any Russians in the dissemination of these materials, let alone that it was part of some official plot by Moscow. As always, anything is possible — when one does not know for certain what the provenance of materials is, nothing can be ruled out — but in journalism, evidence is required before news outlets can validly start blaming some foreign government for the release of information. And none has ever been presented. Yet the claim that this was "Russian disinformation" was published in countless news outlets, television broadcasts, and the social media accounts of journalists, typically by pointing to the evidence-free claims of ex-CIA officials.

Second, the oft-repeated claim from news outlets and CIA operatives that the published emails and texts were “Russian disinformation” was, from the start, obviously baseless and reckless.