Hebrew Hammer wrote: It's different from saying "go read and figure it out yourself."
Reductio ad absurdum
No one stated nor implied that was the sum total of the parental moral guidance at work. You are selectively comparing unlike things again.
When it comes to matters of potentially great personal but in my mind morally irrelevant matters such as why we all here? what da meaning of all dis? that's a Decision one makes on their own.
When comes to what do we agree is Right and what do we agree is Wrong, and also important, what is neither right nor wrong...those are the whole struggle of parenting. Where is the sky pixie in all of this guidance? Utterly irrelevant to me. For those of Faith, perhaps it enjoyable to rely on an ever more interpreted crib sheet.
"He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that." JS Mill
Every atheist and non-atheist on this forum is the product of a judeo-christian set of anchor values. The more we reject this anchor, the farther we'll drift into an ethos of "whatever makes sense" at the time.
The latest rationalizations for "after-birth abortions" (infanticide) by some cutting edge bio-ethicists is a glimpse into our brave new religion free world.
A substantial portion of our society seems intent on casting off from societal foundations (judeo-christian ethic, constitutional fealty, man/woman marriage, etc.) The issue isn't whether atheists are any more immoral than the religious, it's what happens to a rudderless sheeple in a G_dless society that frightens me.
Mao wrote:Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun. Our principle is that the Party commands the gun, and the gun must never be allowed to command the Party
I'm no more frightened of this non issue than I am frightened of Japan losing track of its Shinto roots or Mexico losing its core Mayan philosophy.
Shit changes. People are generally good to each other unless they are in a pissing match over goods, chattel or intellectual territory. Then all best are off,regardless of belief system.
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"He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that." JS Mill
1) All of you self-confessed atheists on here are just normal (although dim-witted) dudes with a grudge against organized religion. A true atheist laughs at your bullshit apologetics for why you love your family, act decently, etc. True atheist philosophy is about living in a vacuum where everything is permitted and nothing is out of bounds, as long as it benefits the individual. Hate, rape, murder, theft, lying... all are permitted as long as they benefit the individual. Does that mean a true atheist will be all of the above? Not necessarily, because most of those are punishable offenses and getting locked up works against your own best interest, not for it.
Here's an easy atheist test for your mouthbreathers:
- You're on a plane that crashes on some deserted island that isn't even on the maps. Only you and some chick survive. You watch as rescuers look for you in the distance and then give up their search. You know there's no more hope for rescue. The island is barren. There's no sustainable food source and no way off. Do you...?
a) Rape the chick repeatedly and then eat her?
b) Anything else.
If you call yourself an atheist yet answered anything other than A, you're full of shit and don't even know what you're professing to be.
2) Having you clowns read the Bible and then claim not to get anything out of it is like giving a quantum physics book to a Bangladeshi rice farmer and then being surprised that he thinks it's all squiggly lines and mumbo-jumbo. It's like giving your 2nd grader the latest research notes from the CERN Large Hadron Collider and expecting them to get anything out of it. It's complete vanity on your parts to think your worthy enough and ready to receive what's in there.
That's the folly of Christianity in the West since way back before Luther's time. It's denigrated to something scholastic. People look at the Bible as a textbook. It's something to be studied. Everything is reduced down to reason which, of course, is limited to our own mental capacities. That's why in the West you have 10's of 1000's of different sects and offshoots, all claiming different things yet all claiming to be the truth. It's human vanity. People with no roots, reading a book way beyond their grasp, and expecting to understand it's true meaning.
The only difference between some fire-and-brimstone-spewing Bible-Belt preacher, his flock, and guys like BlaidDawg is the the former read the Bible and came to one conclusion while the latter came to a different conclusion. Neither have any basis for it other than the limited grasp of their own reasoning.
In the East, Christianity is something that's lived. You don't DO because you UNDERSTAND -- You UNDERSTAND because you DO. You have to live the faith if you want to understand it. The West is obsessed with reasoning, understanding, breaking it down into principles and digesting it mentally. The East, on the other hand, is about experiencing. It's a living faith, not a scholastic faith. You guys putting down Christianity don't have the slightest clue about what it is. You're looking at clown "churches" that are about as far away from true Christianity as Bon Jovi is from true death metal and basing your views on that.
Kraj, you are now less interesting than a Methodist, democrat soccer mom.
You have no more an understanding of the word atheist than you do of christian doctrine or the foundational text.
PS..I got a hell of a lot out of the Bible, it's fantastic in its scope and easily the most important book of Western Civilization. Shakespeare is good too.
"He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that." JS Mill
Blaidd Drwg wrote:PS..I got a hell of a lot out of the Bible, it's fantastic in its scope and easily the most important book of Western Civilization. Shakespeare is good too.
Blaidd Drwg wrote:PS..I got a hell of a lot out of the Bible, it's fantastic in its scope and easily the most important book of Western Civilization. Shakespeare is good too.
I'm sure you did... Cuz you're so... bright.
What do you do again? What's your job title?
Tut tut....I don't lift my skirt for strangers.
"He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that." JS Mill
Kraj 2.0 wrote:If you call yourself an atheist yet answered anything other than A, you're full of shit and don't even know what you're professing to be.
Blaidd Drwg wrote:You remind me of a Calvinist I once knew. So much predestination. Quiet desperation? What the fuck is wrong with you?
I'll not read your silly book. I trust my instincts as a parent. I like the me I turned out to be and I pretty much parent my kids the way my parents did.
I'll just go ahead and love my kids, we'll see how that works out.
Just an aside from the current discussion-- given your beliefs, you'd probably like Hoffer's True Believer. It's not a theistic book at all.
"Liberalism is arbitrarily selective in its choice of whose dignity to champion." Adrian Vermeule
Blaidd Drwg wrote:You remind me of a Calvinist I once knew. So much predestination. Quiet desperation? What the fuck is wrong with you?
I'll not read your silly book. I trust my instincts as a parent. I like the me I turned out to be and I pretty much parent my kids the way my parents did.
I'll just go ahead and love my kids, we'll see how that works out.
Just an aside from the current discussion-- given your beliefs, you'd probably like Hoffer's True Believer. It's not a theistic book at all.
Thanks Turd. I might give it a look.
"He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that." JS Mill
Ed Zachary wrote:LOL at the imaginary person Kraj asking someone what they do or who they are.
I know what Blaid Dawg is and does. No need to confirm it. I can tell from his reasoning that he's a frustrated, middle-aged, D-level corporate lackey, a failed academic who thinks himself the smartest thing since Einstein and Tesla shook hands, yet at the same time hates himself for being a failure and not living up to his goals and expectations. He straddles the line from self-hate to hatred of God for, in his view, making him the loser that he is. BD's a sad little man. That's all. Just a sad little man lashing out at a world he feels powerless against.
Ed Zachary wrote:LOL at the imaginary person Kraj asking someone what they do or who they are.
I know what Blaid Dawg is and does. No need to confirm it. I can tell from his reasoning that he's a frustrated, middle-aged, D-level corporate lackey, a failed academic who thinks himself the smartest thing since Einstein and Tesla shook hands, yet at the same time hates himself for being a failure and not living up to his goals and expectations. He straddles the line from self-hate to hatred of God for, in his view, making him the loser that he is. BD's a sad little man. That's all. Just a sad little man lashing out at a world he feels powerless against.
=D> D Level Policy Advisor....
I do appreciate "Academic." I never really enjoyed College, I'm glad some of it rubbed off
"He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that." JS Mill
I was raised Catholic but now am pretty much agnostic. Simply put, morals do not and should not rely on religion. I choose to do the right thing because it is the right thing to do. How do I know that it is the right thing? Because I "feel" that it is. With no mention of God I can honestly say that I know for a fact that I would never rape a woman. I also know that I would not kill a man woman or child unless it directly threatened me and mine. No where does that rely on religious dogma in my mind set.
And to be frank I do believe in a higher power though I have no earthly clue what it is. Following one culture's beliefs when you are not even of that culture is silly though. If it were not for Constantine I then the masses would have some other faith.
Dunn wrote:I choose to do the right thing because it is the right thing to do. How do I know that it is the right thing? Because I "feel" that it is.
And a murderer "feels" that murdering someone is "the right thing." What's your point? Your values are based on Christian culture, whether you want to accept that or not.
Dunn wrote:I choose to do the right thing because it is the right thing to do. How do I know that it is the right thing? Because I "feel" that it is.
And a murderer "feels" that murdering someone is "the right thing." What's your point? Your values are based on Christian culture, whether you want to accept that or not.
Dunn wrote:I choose to do the right thing because it is the right thing to do. How do I know that it is the right thing? Because I "feel" that it is.
And a murderer "feels" that murdering someone is "the right thing." What's your point? Your values are based on Christian culture, whether you want to accept that or not.
"The biggest problems that we’re facing right now have to do with George Bush trying to bring more and more power into the executive branch and not go through Congress at all."
Most basic cultural rules and values are universal WRT stealing, killing loyalty etc. Unlike rape, which is has a permissive status in the judeo christian tradition. How we define "other" or member of tribe vs not is highly variable but the Jews and followers of The Jesus hold no special market position on morality. They just have the some recent best sellers.
"He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that." JS Mill
Most basic cultural rules and values are universal WRT stealing, killing loyalty etc. Unlike rape, which is has a permissive status in the judeo christian tradition. How we define "other" or member of tribe vs not is highly variable but the Jews and followers of The Jesus hold no special market position on morality. They just have the some recent best sellers.
Funny. All cultures since the beginning of time have believed in God or gods in some way. It's only recently, relatively speaking, that man has become "too smart" to believe in God. Your argument only solidifies the fact that all men are born of a spiritual essence that goes beyond race, location, and era.
Most basic cultural rules and values are universal WRT stealing, killing loyalty etc. Unlike rape, which is has a permissive status in the judeo christian tradition. How we define "other" or member of tribe vs not is highly variable but the Jews and followers of The Jesus hold no special market position on morality. They just have the some recent best sellers.
Funny. All cultures since the beginning of time have believed in God or gods in some way. It's only recently, relatively speaking, that man has become "too smart" to believe in God. Your argument only solidifies the fact that all men are born of a spiritual essence that goes beyond race, location, and era.
All cultures have a genesis myth, there have always been those that don't buy it. I'm no more swayed by the wisdom of the ancients than I am of your crap arguments on their behalf...especially your incredibly weak minded one that there is a ONE TRUE FAITH than binds western civilization that I owe my moral code to. There are many many moral principles that are universal, some are specific. I could care less where they come from, they are indisputably useful and good regardless of their recent provenance.
There are solid rational arguments for the practice of religion. You've no more ability to articulate those than you do to make remotely accurate assumptions about my background.
"He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that." JS Mill
Blaidd Drwg wrote:All cultures have a genesis myth, there have always been those that don't buy it. I'm no more swayed by the wisdom of the ancients than I am of your crap arguments on their behalf...especially your incredibly weak minded one that there is a ONE TRUE FAITH than binds western civilization that I owe my moral code to. There are many many moral principles that are universal, some are specific. I could care less where they come from, they are indisputably useful and good regardless of their recent provenance.
There are solid rational arguments for the practice of religion. You've no more ability to articulate those than you do to make remotely accurate assumptions about my background.
Except that you're dumb as shit. You're peppering your posts with random Creative-Writing-101-level words-of-the-day to sound like you're a man of learning yet you're too stupid to even know that it's "COULDN'T care less". If you COULD care less that means you care and care plenty. If you COULDN'T care less that means your caring is at absolute zero. You're a fool and a fraud.
Policy advisor? LOL. In other words, you're a professional bullshitter who takes money for spewing nonsense. Why don't you get a real job? One that actually contributes to society. Do something with your hands. Build a house. Fix a car. Bake some bread. Do something that benefits society. Then we'll talk. All you are now is a little man throwing a big fit.
Oh Kraj...remember when you were funny? neither do I but I've heard stories. but really? a paragraph devoted to a grammatical error? and build a house? that's rich. if you had a single clue I'd be amazed.
Your little spurts are now so far off target that they are probably amusing for those who here who know me in real life.
"He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that." JS Mill
