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BucketHead wrote: The majority of pedophiles have no gender preference in prepubescent kids. Instead, their sexual attractions focus on children – boys, girls, or children of both sexes. Look it up, biatch.

So attraction to same-sex adults does not equal attraction to kids in any way, shape or form - except when you are forcing a rationalization to fit a viewpoint.

You would have been better off to answer my original question, why did PSU leadership not do the easy thing and fire paterno years ago with enourmously sufficient cause?

because this is just the tip of the iceberg of looking it up, biatch...
Child molestation and pedophilia occur far more commonly among homosexuals than among heterosexuals on a per capita basis, according to a new study.

“Overwhelming evidence supports the belief that homosexuality is a sexual deviancy often accompanied by disorders that have dire consequences for our culture,” wrote Steve Baldwin in, “Child Molestation and the Homosexual Movement,” soon to be published by the Regent University Law Review.

Baldwin is the executive director of the Council for National Policy in Washington, D.C.

“It is difficult to convey the dark side of the homosexual culture without appearing harsh,” wrote Baldwin. “However, it is time to acknowledge that homosexual behavior threatens the foundation of Western civilization – the nuclear family.”

Though the homosexual community and much of the media scoff at such accusations, Baldwin – who chaired the California Assembly’s Education committee, where he fought against support for the homosexual agenda in the state’s public schools – says in his report that homosexual activists’ “efforts to target children both for their own sexual pleasure and to enlarge the homosexual movement” constitute an “unmistakable” attack on “the family unit.”

Baldwin’s research is substantiated in a recently completed body of work written by Dr. Judith Reisman, president of the Institute for Media Education and author of numerous authoritative books debunking sexual myths, including “Kinsey, Crimes & Consequences.”

In her thesis – also written for the Regent University Law Review – Reisman cited psychologist Eugene Abel, whose research found that homosexuals “sexually molest young boys with an incidence that is occurring from five times greater than the molestation of girls. …”Abel also found that non-incarcerated “child molesters admitted from 23.4 to 281.7 acts per offender … whose targets were males.”

“The rate of homosexual versus heterosexual child sexual abuse is staggering,” said Reisman, who was the principal investigator for an $800,000 Justice Department grant studying child pornography and violence. “Abel’s data of 150.2 boys abused per male homosexual offender finds no equal (yet) in heterosexual violations of 19.8 girls.”

Jay Heavener, spokesman for PFLAG – Parents, Families and Friends of Lesbians and Gays, counters that federal crime data refute claims that homosexuals molest children at higher rates than heterosexuals.

“According to data from the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), this claim is false,” he told WND by e-mail. “The gay and lesbian community calls into question any dubious research which flies in the face of our own experience.”
And Gary Schoener, a clinical psychologist who has been diagnosing and treating clergy abuse for 28 years, told Salon.com, “There are far more heterosexual cases than homosexual.”

In terms of sheer numbers, that may be true. But in terms of numbers of children abused per offender, homosexuals abuse with far greater frequency; and boys, research shows, are the much-preferred target.

Baldwin says evidence he examined disproves the assertion that child molestation is more prevalent among heterosexuals. Both he and Reisman found that media coverage of adult homosexual abuse of minors is also slanted.

“The National Lesbian and Gay Journalists Association (NLGJA) recently boasted that although homosexuals are less than two percent of the population, three-fourths of the people who decide the content of the front page of the New York Times are homosexual,” Reisman wrote.That one fact is especially noteworthy, experts point out, given the recent child sex scandals taking place within the American Catholic church.

A survey by WorldNetDaily of recent news reports found that rarely did the media describe priestly sexual abuse as “homosexual” or “gay” activity – even though the worst incidents involved male-to-male contact, and a spate of investigative reports has revealed that the Vatican is concerned about an upsurge of homosexuals in seminary schools throughout the world.

Gay press promotes sex with children

Baldwin says his research not only “confirms that homosexuals molest children at a rate vastly higher than heterosexuals,” but it found that “the mainstream homosexual culture” even “commonly promotes sex with children.”

“The editorial board of the leading pedophile academic journal, Paidika, is dominated by prominent homosexual scholars such as San Francisco State University professor John DeCecco, who happens to edit the Journal of Homosexuality,” Baldwin wrote.

During his research, he also found:


•The Journal of Homosexuality recently published a special double-issue entitled, “Male Intergenerational Intimacy,” containing many articles portraying sex between men and minor boys as loving relationships. One article said parents should look upon the pedophile who loves their son “not as a rival or competitor, not as a theft of their property, but as a partner in the boy’s upbringing, someone to be welcomed into their home.”

•In 1995 the homosexual magazine “Guide” said, “We can be proud that the gay movement has been home to the few voices who have had the courage to say out loud that children are naturally sexual” and “deserve the right to sexual expression with whoever they choose. …” The article went on to say: “Instead of fearing being labeled pedophiles, we must proudly proclaim that sex is good, including children’s sexuality … we must do it for the children’s sake.”


Larry Kramer, the founder of ACT-UP, a noted homosexual activist group, wrote in his book, “Report from the Holocaust: The Making of an AIDS Activist”: “In those instances where children do have sex with their homosexual elders, be they teachers or anyone else, I submit that often, very often, the child desires the activity, and perhaps even solicits it.”

In a study of advertisements in the influential homosexual newspaper, The Advocate, Reisman found ads for a “Penetrable Boy Doll … available in three provocative positions. She also found that the number of erotic boy images in each issue of The Advocate averaged 14.

•Homosexual newspapers and travel publications advertise prominently for countries where boy prostitution is heavy, such as Burma, the Philippines, Sri Lanka and Thailand.
Homosexuality ‘youth-oriented’?

“Research on the homosexual lifestyle confirms it is almost exclusively a youth-oriented culture,” Baldwin wrote. “Very few gays exhibit preference for older men.”

“Some admit to focus on teenage boys,” he said, “some on prepubescent boys, and many cross over between categories.”

A 1988 study detailed in Baldwin’s report found that most pedophiles even consider themselves to be “gay.” According to the study, “Archives of Sexual Behavior,” some 86 percent of pedophiles described themselves as homosexual or bisexual. Also, the study found, the number of teenage male prostitutes who identify as homosexuals has risen from 10 percent to 60 percent in the past 15 years.

When asked what he thought about critics who attempt to debunk his research, Baldwin said the results speak for themselves.

“For them to say this theory is false is to call many of the homosexual movement’s leaders liars,” he said. “Most of my evidence comes right from the gay community.”
“I managed to find enough evidence that my thesis – child molestation is an integral part of the homosexual movement – is a valid thesis,” Baldwin told WorldNetDaily.

Other experts have also found a distinct pattern between child sex abusers and the incidence of homosexuality.

“How long can psychologists be in denial about the significance of the dark side, and ignore what it implies about the homosexual condition? And there’s a matter of even greater concern. How long will psychologists eagerly throw open the door to gay life for every sexually confused teenager?” writes Joseph Nicolosi, Ph.D, on behalf of NARTH – the National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality – a group that says it exists to “provide psychological understanding of the cause, treatment and behavior patterns associated with homosexuality, within the boundaries of a civil public dialogue.”

The North American Man-Boy Love Association, or NAMBLA, is “a group that openly promotes sex with minor boys and claims that boy-lovers respond to the needs of the boys they love,” Baldwin said in his report.

The group is often endorsed by “many of the homosexual movement’s most prominent leaders,” he said.

Advocacy moving to schools

Promotion of the “gay and lesbian lifestyle” is increasing in the nation’s public schools.

A WND survey of homosexual-oriented websites found that almost every group has some sort of program to “educate” teachers, school administrators and other school employees about the homosexual lifestyle:


•GLSEN – the Gay Lesbian and Straight Education Network – bills itself as “the largest national network of parents, students, educators and others” specifically formed to end “discrimination based on sexual orientation and gender identity/expression in K-12 schools. Two recent press released boasted of the Broward County (Fla.) school board approving GLSEN-sponsored “training for teachers.”


•A student activist working with GLSEN officials has managed to “give voice” recently to “gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgendered students” at California schools;


•PFLAG has created a national campaign called, “From Our House to the Schoolhouse,” distributing to school officials – among other materials – a booklet entitled, “Just the Facts About Sexual Orientation and Youth: A Primer For Principals, Educators, & School Personnel. [Editor's note: Readers need the Adobe PDF reader to open and read this file.]
Though most school-related programs are sold to administrators and parents as programs designed simply to end persecution of homosexuals and lesbians, none disclose what Baldwin says is compelling evidence that homosexuality is harmful to children.

“What … does the academic literature say about the relationship between homosexuality and child molestation? Quite a bit, actually,” he wrote, quoting data compiled by the Family Research Institute: “Scientific studies confirm a strong pedophilic predisposition among homosexuals.”

The institute, after reviewing more than 19 studies and peer-reviewed reports in a 1985 “Psychological Reports” article, found that homosexuals account for between 25 and 40 percent of all child molestation.
“But this number is low,” Baldwin says, “due to the fact that many reporters will not report if a child molester is a homosexual, even if he knows that to be the case.”
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Jesus, Jack. Could you find a more biased source than Steve Baldwin, who appears to be the one how interpreted the studies?

regardless, one question begs an answer: if your source is correct, and homosexuals are more likely to be pedophiles, is this behavior caused by our society's Puritanical stigmatization of homosexuality?

Put simply, if you Christians would live and let live, would there be so many suppressed emotions and psychiatric disorders in the gay population?
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You if you are going to copy and paste a whole aritcle you may as well just post link as well.
http://www.wnd.com/2002/04/13722/

LOL

Science cannot prove a negative. Thus, these studies do not prove that homosexual or bisexual males are no more likely than heterosexual males to molest children. However, each of them failed to prove the alternative hypothesis that homosexual males are more likely than heterosexual men to molest children or to be sexually attracted to children or adolescents.
http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/h ... ation.html

Just admit you HATE homos. Accept your bigotry. Like most so called Christians the whole "judge ye not lest you be judged" is better reserved for when you aren't busy hating whole classes of society.

And again. I'd be willing to bet that 99% of the people involved are not supporters of gay and lesbian rights and would consider themselves GAWD fear Xians.
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Let me summarize Bux's argument:
1. Sandusky likely abused girls too, despite the complete lack of evidence.
2. #1 is a scientific fact (according to a reference which he won't provide).
3. A man who pursues sexual relationships with other males is not homosexual if he prefers underage males instead of other consenting adults.
4. We have no right to judge Sandusky for his behavior, because he was probably born wanting to molest kids-- it's like being left handed.
5. Anyone who disagrees with him is a bigot.
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protobuilder wrote:Jesus, Jack. Could you find a more biased source than Steve Baldwin, who appears to be the one how interpreted the studies?

regardless, one question begs an answer: if your source is correct, and homosexuals are more likely to be pedophiles, is this behavior caused by our society's Puritanical stigmatization of homosexuality?

Put simply, if you Christians would live and let live, would there be so many suppressed emotions and psychiatric disorders in the gay population?

i am amazed at how you keep trying to make this religion based, but all i asked was why didn't PSU pull the plug on Paterno when they had every desire, right, and reason to, and suggested a pro-homosexual culture at PSU might be the answer. This is a religious issue for many of you because of your bias against anything remotely Christian. i am not at IGx to debate religion. It is a waste of time, and i owuld rather slam @fit.

While i have no reason to warmly accept homosexuals, i tolerate them, which i define as politely ignore what they do as their own business. i think that is live and let live. Every one of the dozen plus i personally kicked out of the US Military i counseled to keep their private lives to themselves and press on with their career. Every one of them self reported to start the process, and demanded i kick them out even when i offered them to stay and forget the conversation. Puzzling.

Sandusky is a monster and buggerer. At a minimum a bi-sexual. Are you serious about blaming society for his acts?

Once again i ask why did PSU act like they did? Easier to answer or stop posting then start asking for more data, because there is a lot more you won't like. Understand i do not believe in Evangalism and this is not a biblical issue for me, my biblical issues are personal. This is a truth issue.

Why didn't they fire him in 98 or 01?
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powerlifter54 wrote:Why didn't they fire him in 98 or 01?
Money and Paterno's image which led to more money for the university.

It's been stated over and over again.
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protobuilder wrote:Jesus, Jack. Could you find a more biased source than Steve Baldwin, who appears to be the one how interpreted the studies?
He was always the slowest of the brothers.

Council for National Policy.....pretty mainstream group, huh?
“However, it is time to acknowledge that homosexual behavior threatens the foundation of Western civilization – the nuclear family.”
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Ed Zachary wrote:
powerlifter54 wrote:Why didn't they fire him in 98 or 01?
Money and Paterno's image which led to more money for the university.

It's been stated over and over again.
I don't think that anybody outside of 2 or 3 guys here question that.
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powerlifter54 wrote:...all i asked was why didn't PSU pull the plug on Paterno when they had every desire, right, and reason to, and suggested a pro-homosexual culture at PSU might be the answer...Why didn't they fire him in 98 or 01?
When they finally fired him in 2011, for cause after playing a role in creating the culture of insularity and in directly participating in the 2001 fubar, the Board of Trustees were bombarded with death threats and were voted out an replaced by pro-Paterno sycophants and the students rioted. His funeral ceremony took three days and his coffin rode through the entire town with the streets lined with people all the way to where he finally rests. This, after he clearly (to the non-koolaid drinkers) deserved to be fired. Even now, a hell of a lot of people here refuse to accept that he has any culpability, or feel that all the good stuff he did obliterates his role in the Sandusky affair.

Now imagine him getting fired in 2001, or in 2004 when they gently suggested that maybe it was time. He told them he'd pull the plug on all shilling for donations, and basically come out as an adversary. Which would have meant even larger legions of minions on the warpath with even more misplaced righteousness unhindered by dark stories of complicity in pedophilia. They blinked, of course.

It really is that simple. Joe Paterno wielded awesome power here through his legions of supporters. There may have been some financial shenanigans too, as he had investments that crossed paths with Second Mile with sold and bought land from the University, etc ad nauseum.
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“However, it is time to acknowledge that homosexual behavior threatens the foundation of Western civilization – the nuclear family.”
Ironically Western civilization was founded by a society that was fond of homosexuality and pegging little boys.
Then the next great society of Western civilization loved eating, drinking, killing and fucking just about anything it could get its hands on.

The nuclear family is a post WW2 creation. Up until the late 40's and 50's most people in the US and the world lived in rural settings within an extended family situation. The extended family living setting still exists in most countries.

To think the foundation of Western civilization is the nuclear family is idiotic.
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Turdacious wrote:Let me summarize Bux's argument:
1. Sandusky likely abused girls too, despite the complete lack of evidence.
I never said likely. But I find it humorous for you to critique someone on lack of evidence
Turdacious wrote:2. #1 is a scientific fact (according to a reference which he won't provide).
I googled it and found three sources. Maybe they're wrong. Who knows, really. You know how I feel about "facts"
Turdacious wrote:3. A man who pursues sexual relationships with other males is not homosexual if he prefers underage males instead of other consenting adults.
Yes. I want to keep those categories separate. I'll tell you why at the end.
Turdacious wrote:4. We have no right to judge Sandusky for his behavior, because he was probably born wanting to molest kids-- it's like being left handed.
I specifically said pedophilia is like serial killers. Can you read? We have every right to judge him for his behavior, and punish him, and make an example in order to deter others. But he was still born with the tendency to be a pedophile. Unfortunate for him.
Turdacious wrote:5. Anyone who disagrees with him is a bigot.
I never accused anyone of bigotry. Just associating things that don't associate.





I want the expression of pedophilia eradicated. In pursuit of that, I want pedophiles separated in definition and fringed in society. I want the deterrence so high that no pedophile dare take advantage of their desires.

I would guess that lumping them any which way with consenting gay adult population, besides being incorrect, would only dilute their perceived danger to society.

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So you found three articles (we just have to assume that they are legitimately scholarly, because you don't source them), don't like the current categories so you've created your own, and believe he can't help his pedophilic tendencies (which you also don't source), and don't really care what anyone else believes (because concepts of right and wrong are only accepted by people with 1000+ possessions)?
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Ed Zachary wrote:
powerlifter54 wrote:Why didn't they fire him in 98 or 01?
Money and Paterno's image which led to more money for the university.

It's been stated over and over again.
And it's been ignored over and over again.
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Pinky wrote:
Ed Zachary wrote:
powerlifter54 wrote:Why didn't they fire him in 98 or 01?
Money and Paterno's image which led to more money for the university.

It's been stated over and over again.
And it's been ignored over and over again.
It's just weird having a statue up celebrating a guy's performance in a job that he is still doing.

Kind of like having The Best of Shapecharge thread up. Someone needs to off him and make it right.
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Turdacious wrote:So you found three articles (we just have to assume that they are legitimately scholarly, because you don't source them), don't like the current categories so you've created your own, and believe he can't help his pedophilic tendencies (which you also don't source), and don't really care what anyone else believes (because concepts of right and wrong are only accepted by people with 1000+ possessions)?
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powerlifter54 wrote:You would have been better off to answer my original question, why did PSU leadership not do the easy thing and fire paterno years ago with enourmously sufficient cause?

because this is just the tip of the iceberg of looking it up, biatch...
Child molestation and pedophilia occur far more commonly among homosexuals than among heterosexuals on a per capita basis, according to a new study.

“Overwhelming evidence supports the belief that homosexuality is a sexual deviancy often accompanied by disorders that have dire consequences for our culture,” wrote Steve Baldwin in, “Child Molestation and the Homosexual Movement,” soon to be published by the Regent University Law Review.

Baldwin is the executive director of the Council for National Policy in Washington, D.C.

“It is difficult to convey the dark side of the homosexual culture without appearing harsh,” wrote Baldwin. “However, it is time to acknowledge that homosexual behavior threatens the foundation of Western civilization – the nuclear family.”
Thanks for that article. I agree. This addresses by whom the crimes were committed but IMO money explains why the university covered it up.
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I figure if a hard right homophobe like Baldwin can be sourced, we might as well let a fag defend himself...with words and research type shit.

Here's a relatively thorough debunking (ZOMG,,,with references)

http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/h ... ation.html

The empirical research does not show that gay or bisexual men are any more likely than heterosexual men to molest children. This is not to argue that homosexual and bisexual men never molest children. But there is no scientific basis for asserting that they are more likely than heterosexual men to do so. And, as explained above, many child molesters cannot be characterized as having an adult sexual orientation at all; they are fixated on children.
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BucketHead wrote:
Turdacious wrote:So you found three articles (we just have to assume that they are legitimately scholarly, because you don't source them), don't like the current categories so you've created your own, and believe he can't help his pedophilic tendencies (which you also don't source), and don't really care what anyone else believes (because concepts of right and wrong are only accepted by people with 1000+ possessions)?
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bigpeach wrote:Sounds like there are Sandusky accusers claiming rape all the way back to the early 1970s. Nixon's America. Quite a different time.
Anyone know when the curriculum requiring all undergrads to take all those gay studies classes was put into effect?
The 60s.

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nafod wrote:
powerlifter54 wrote:...all i asked was why didn't PSU pull the plug on Paterno when they had every desire, right, and reason to, and suggested a pro-homosexual culture at PSU might be the answer...Why didn't they fire him in 98 or 01?
When they finally fired him in 2011, for cause after playing a role in creating the culture of insularity and in directly participating in the 2001 fubar, the Board of Trustees were bombarded with death threats and were voted out an replaced by pro-Paterno sycophants and the students rioted. His funeral ceremony took three days and his coffin rode through the entire town with the streets lined with people all the way to where he finally rests. This, after he clearly (to the non-koolaid drinkers) deserved to be fired. Even now, a hell of a lot of people here refuse to accept that he has any culpability, or feel that all the good stuff he did obliterates his role in the Sandusky affair.

Now imagine him getting fired in 2001, or in 2004 when they gently suggested that maybe it was time. He told them he'd pull the plug on all shilling for donations, and basically come out as an adversary. Which would have meant even larger legions of minions on the warpath with even more misplaced righteousness unhindered by dark stories of complicity in pedophilia. They blinked, of course.

It really is that simple. Joe Paterno wielded awesome power here through his legions of supporters. There may have been some financial shenanigans too, as he had investments that crossed paths with Second Mile with sold and bought land from the University, etc ad nauseum.
A plausible explanation, one of the first not filled with sympathy for manrammery and PC claims of truth based on consensus, "anti-bigotry", and insistence on using only gay and/or athiest researchers, which i appreciate. i still am troubled that, assuming they really wanted JoPa gone, they didn't see the Win Win of prosecuting or publicly severing ties with Sandusky, and sending ol Joe home.

Maybe they were just dumbasses at PSU, something i have found to be the norm out in the civilain world. Maybe why i came back over here.
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