Michael Brown, Ferguson Missouri

[DARTH]

Punk tried to prevent the cop from getting out and attacked the cop ANYONE does that, they stand a great chance of eating a bullet, even more so if your a near 300# suspect in a violent crime.

Nobody but the cop says that. White and black witnesses say he killed Brown at a distance while Brown was clearly surrendering.

the cop showed more restraint than he should have.

Legit LOL.

Start at 12:47 Shoot first while the cop was in his vehicle. Then the Mook tried to escape, the cop went after him, the mook turned around and so and came towards the cop. As there was already a violent exchange, that forward motion is more than enough justification to fire again and again until the mook stops or de-animates.

Witnesses say all kinds of things, but the physical evidence does not support many jibba jabba accounts.

See starting @ 16:00. Hint oh he who knows fuck all about firearms except for the movies. Your not getting the perp's blood on you unless you are pretty fucking close. We have a few guys on this forum who have shoot people, maybe they will correct me if I am wrong?

@17:00 he goes into that their were 3 Autopsies done on Brown, all 3 more or less agree.



These are the findings of the investigation and the grand Jury ruling, who have more info than you or I.

So your legit LOL! is only for you and your kind, Cunts.

[DARTH]

Spell's not licking a black dick if they tell you to is racist in your book.

If it looked like the cop did act like some 1950 Alabama Trooper? There would not be a lot of defense of the cop. Shit one of our biggest threads is bitching about shitty cops. I am on record here with incidents where cops were complete fucking thugs.

This is not the case in did not sound that way very soon after the body was cold.

[The Venerable Bogatir X]

Badge that says I'm from the system and a gun on their side should be enough to give the same attitude to a small cop as a big cop. I don't "yes sir, no sir" because I worry about a cop's hand to hand skills ( I've dominated enough of them on the mats to know a good number of them can't fight for shit or at least I'm a match for them)

I worry about the weight of the law, his back up, getting shot and the fact that if I took Officer Little Cunt out, the whole department would be out to shoot me on sight, at the very least give me a club party and then the system would give me a new residence in Oz.

But we're not talking about you. Mopes are mopes and mopes and they think more like dogs. Brown was most definitely a mope and I don't care if that cop has mad jits skillz, if he looked or acted soft, Brown and his boy would smell that.

[DARTH]

Badge that says I'm from the system and a gun on their side should be enough to give the same attitude to a small cop as a big cop. I don't "yes sir, no sir" because I worry about a cop's hand to hand skills ( I've dominated enough of them on the mats to know a good number of them can't fight for shit or at least I'm a match for them)

I worry about the weight of the law, his back up, getting shot and the fact that if I took Officer Little Cunt out, the whole department would be out to shoot me on sight, at the very least give me a club party and then the system would give me a new residence in Oz.

But we're not talking about you. Mopes are mopes and mopes and they think more like dogs. Brown was most definitely a mope and I don't care if that cop has mad jits skillz, if he looked or acted soft, Brown and his boy would smell that.

Well then in many ways we agree.

My point is as a human, I don't fight cops. Moops do. I do agree a bigger cop does intimidate more people than an average sized or female cop does, especially if they seem soft. If I was a cop, I would not try to use Ju Jutsu in that situation, I'd shoot the fucker dead too. It's not Walker Texas Redneck where you want to show off your skills.

But I don't have to tell you that, you were a cop. A big one at that.

A real martial artist knows that hand to hand is for when weapons fail or youjust can't get to/ have one. As a civilian, if I have a 300# Mook assaulting me with another mook with him, if I don't have a gun, he gets the blade across offending limbs, in the bladder and the Shawn Taylor sweet spot.

[johno]

The race does not always go to the swift. But that's the way to bet.

Likewise, if I had to bet between a gangster-rap wannabe who just robbed a Quiky Mart and a cop with an (apparently) clean record, my $$$ is that the Rap Star got violent & got shot.

But I could be wrong. That's why The Man is going to do that pesky "investigation" thing.

The DA laid out the facts clearly. Many of the "witnesses" were not credible, in that their accounts did not conform to the physical evidence. When confronted with that evidence, many "witnesses" changed their stories or said they hadn't actually been present during the shooting, but "I heard the cop shot Brown in the back."

There were also witnesses who confirmed the cop's version of what happened. I'll guess those witnesses were black, since the n'hood was.

The Media should be ashamed for fanning the flames from the get-go, and giving credibility to made-up stories. Then, as facts from the autopsies emerged, not correcting the meme that it had circulated.

Remind anyone of the Trayvon Hysteria?

[DARTH]

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The Media should be ashamed for fanning the flames from the get-go, and giving credibility to made-up stories. Then, as facts from the autopsies emerged, not correcting the meme that it had circulated.

Remind anyone of the Trayvon Hysteria?

The Media has a lot they SHOULD be ashamed of but we know that if it's white and does not suck dick, does not lean Left, actually believes in the Constitution and not word speak interpretations of it, they have no shame where you are concerned.

We have what we have in the White House today because of the Media and the great job they do of reporting the "facts".

[The Venerable Bogatir X]

Well then in many ways we agree.

My point is as a human, I don't fight cops. Moops do. I do agree a bigger cop does intimidate more people than an average sized or female cop does, especially if they seem soft. If I was a cop, I would not try to use Ju Jutsu in that situation, I'd shoot the fucker dead too. It's not Walker Texas Redneck where you want to show off your skills.

But I don't have to tell you that, you were a cop. A big one at that.

A real martial artist knows that hand to hand is for when weapons fail or youjust can't get to/ have one. As a civilian, if I have a 300# Mook assaulting me with another mook with him, if I don't have a gun, he gets the blade across offending limbs, in the bladder and the Shawn Taylor sweet spot.

I think I do a poor job of explaining my postures in these matters online. I'm saying the size/strength and the bearing that typically comes with it, is a deterrent in itself (even when seated in the car). Conversely, given the right scenario (felonious mopery), a Brown type is going to test a lessor looking cop, more likely to resist arrest, ect.

EDIT: also, that's not a big city and they only have 50 or so cops, so it's a safe bet there has been some interaction in the past between Brown and Wilson, even if only dirty looks at one another.

[D66]

When you rob a store, physically assaulting people in the process, then walk out the door, and minutes later assault a cop and end up dead...you fucking earned those bullets! I'm so sick of reading "....an unarmed black teen was shot...it's irrelevant that he had no gun. If you attack/assault a cop, expect to be shot...black, white, brown, doesn't fucking matter.

Why haven't his parents apologized to the store owner for the robbery, and to the people he assaulted, recognizing that their son was not a choir boy....nah, lets blame someone else...it's easier that way!

He was an unarmed POS, that got himself shot...sucks to be him!

[Turdacious]

The concentrated (sub)urban poverty factor:

At that time, the council was just beginning to wrestle with issues that would escalate, as a corner of Ferguson already was overtaken by some of the most concentrated poverty in the state. It was a transition largely outside of the council’s control — accelerated by trends within subsidized housing that spurred the growth of low-income apartments in select parts of the region.

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metr ... 53142.html

After decades of relative calm and stability, the apartments have become a tinderbox for crime. Canfield Green Apartments and the nearby Oakmont and Northwinds complexes are a study of the slow encroachment of poverty and social distress into what had been suburban escapes.

Ferguson’s crime and poverty rate is lower than some of the other North County municipalities. But the small southeast corner of the city where the apartments are glows bright red on crime maps.

That area along West Florissant Avenue and just east of it accounted for 18 percent of all serious crimes reported between 2010 and August 2012, according to a Post-Dispatch analysis of crime data provided by St. Louis County.

The area accounted for 28 percent of all burglaries, 28 percent of all aggravated assaults, 30 percent of all motor vehicle thefts and 40 percent of all robberies reported in the city of 21,000 people.

It’s a cluster of densely populated complexes that stand apart from the predominantly single-family streets of Ferguson.

On a map, the area sticks out like an appendage, one that was added to Ferguson by annexation. Many of the children who live there aren’t even part of the Ferguson-Florissant school system.

Adding to that isolation, police have blocked off nearly all access roads to the apartments with concrete barriers, fences and gates.

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metr ... cf253.html
Modern federal housing policy has made Pruitt Igoe profitable, same New York State of Mind reality.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKYkDwzi-FI[/youtube]

[Pinky]

The only thing that sounds unusual about this grand jury is that the prosecutor didn't recommend a specific charge. Given the tendency of grand juries to "indict a ham sandwich", that basically means that the prosecutor decided he didn't want an indictment.

This should happen more often, and not just when cops are involved in high profile cases.

[Grandpa's Spells]

When you rob a store, physically assaulting people in the process, then walk out the door, and minutes later assault a cop and end up dead...you fucking earned those bullets! I'm so sick of reading "....an unarmed black teen was shot...it's irrelevant that he had no gun. If you attack/assault a cop, expect to be shot...black, white, brown, doesn't fucking matter.

D66, nobody thinks you can attack a cop, go for his gun, and be offended for ending up shot. The problem with that narrative is it looks a lot like this:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nt6kKhlX8vU[/youtube]

Cops lie. More specifically, White Ferguson cops have been shown to lie about attacking helpless black suspects. The people who think Brown was murdered don't think Brown attacked a police officer.

If you think the store robbery warrants getting killed, well, OK. But a white kid doesn't get killed for that.

[Turdacious]

When you rob a store, physically assaulting people in the process, then walk out the door, and minutes later assault a cop and end up dead...you fucking earned those bullets! I'm so sick of reading "....an unarmed black teen was shot...it's irrelevant that he had no gun. If you attack/assault a cop, expect to be shot...black, white, brown, doesn't fucking matter.

D66, nobody thinks you can attack a cop, go for his gun, and be offended for ending up shot. The problem with that narrative is it looks a lot like this:

Cops lie. More specifically, White Ferguson cops have been shown to lie about attacking helpless black suspects. The people who think Brown was murdered don't think Brown attacked a police officer.

If you think the store robbery warrants getting killed, well, OK. But a white kid doesn't get killed for that.

All good points, but irrelevant to his points:

When you rob a store, physically assaulting people in the process, then walk out the door, and minutes later assault a cop and end up dead...you fucking earned those bullets! I'm so sick of reading "....an unarmed black teen was shot...it's irrelevant that he had no gun. If you attack/assault a cop, expect to be shot...black, white, brown, doesn't fucking matter.

Some cops do lie, that doesn't mean Wilson lied.
Nobody is suggesting that Brown got shot because he robbed a store.
What people think is irrelevant, it's what the evidence shows, and the prosecutor wasn't able to convince a grand jury there was sufficient evidence to take this case to trial-- despite likely state and federal pressure to do so.
Whether or not Brown assaulted Wilson, and whether or not Wilson's use of force was justified are the key questions for those not high on milk and cookies.

[Grandpa's Spells]

Some cops do lie, that doesn't mean Wilson lied.

Culture of the department is a factor. But I didn't find Wilson's version of events believable. I think Klein is wrong a lot, but this was pretty solid:
http://www.vox.com/2014/11/25/7281165/d ... story-side

[Turdacious]

Some cops do lie, that doesn't mean Wilson lied.

Culture of the department is a factor. But I didn't find Wilson's version of events believable. I think Klein is wrong a lot, but this was pretty solid:
http://www.vox.com/2014/11/25/7281165/d ... story-side

So the witness testimony, autopsy report, and his non-existent officer involved shooting history are irrelevant?

Does that mean that just because some LAPD cops beat the shit of Rodney King, that all LAPD cops should be considered guilty until proven innocent?

YOUR ARGUMENTS ARE USUALLY BETTER THAN THIS SPELLS!!!!!!!

[Grandpa's Spells]

So the witness testimony,

I don't know of any witnesses claiming Brown attacked the officer. "Struggle in the car" is not attacked.

autopsy report,

Is there something about Brown's hands being damaged?

and his non-existent officer involved shooting history are irrelevant?

I don't follow this part.

Does that mean that just because some LAPD cops beat the shit of Rodney King, that all LAPD cops should be considered guilty until proven innocent?

I've said a conviction of a cop here would be unlikely. Bill Cosby won't be convicted either, and is innocent in the eyes of the law until proven guilty (but he did that shit). It is a much more likely scenario that Brown was the victim of a panicky racist cop than one where Brown decided to make an armed cop his bitch and dared Wilson to shoot him, particularly in a town where everybody knows the cops aren't exactly reluctant to use force.

[Turdacious]

some nonsensical horseshit

That's some David Icke level stuff there Spells.

[D66]

Spells...yes, you're right; I haven't heard one single black person even BEGIN to suspect that he did anything wrong! Thing is, there is video PROOF of him walking into that store and robbing the place, and bitch-slapping those who tried to stop him, taking whatever he wanted, as if it was OWED to him! In that Vox article, he was portrayed as a "kid going to college"...which implied that he couldn't possibly attack an officer. (BS!) The video created the context, that then spilled into the street, where he got himself killed.

Obviously, we're ALL forming our opinions on what we hear on tv, and/or read on the web. We assume this info to be true, and that's about all we can do.

If you reach into a cop car in any fashion, you're ASKING for trouble, period! Define it how you like, but nothing good will come of that...he put himself in a bad position, and it got him killed.

His family supposedly was calling for PEACE & no more violence, but yet his step father was heard saying "burn this bitch down" after the verdict was read...

I wish there HAD been video of the struggle/fight inside the car...just so we'd have proof, and then there'd be no need to speculate, and/or doubt the word of a cop. A CRIMINAL attacked a cop and got killed...and the COP is treated like the criminal...THAT is fucked up!

[Turdacious]

No reports mention Ray Rice's bruised knuckles. Per Spells, he can't have punched his girl.

[D66]

I just found this on Facebook

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/201 ... ntent=2050

[The Venerable Bogatir X]

What's the word on chillymope? Brown's shotgun boy in all this?

[Grandpa's Spells]

No reports mention Ray Rice's bruised knuckles. Per Spells, he can't have punched his girl.

Fucking hell, man. You said the autopsy backed up the "he attacked the cop" narrative, not me. If there's something in there backing that up, do tell.

[The Venerable Bogatir X]

No reports mention Ray Rice's bruised knuckles. Per Spells, he can't have punched his girl.

Fucking hell, man. You said the autopsy backed up the "he attacked the cop" narrative, not me. If there's something in there backing that up, do tell.

Not from the autopsy, but the blood in the car pretty much seals that part of the story as truth.

[Turdacious]

No reports mention Ray Rice's bruised knuckles. Per Spells, he can't have punched his girl.

Fucking hell, man. You said the autopsy backed up the "he attacked the cop" narrative, not me. If there's something in there backing that up, do tell.

Except I didn't say that. I said it backed up Wilson's version of the story, as in no shots entered Brown's back. As LieNap pointed out, the blood in the car also supports it.

[Turdacious]

[Herv100]

Spells, don't mind that 50/60 eyewitness testimonies(most if not all are black) supported Wilson's story, and that the autopsies supported it as well. It was just a racist cop, that's all.

That is really some Danny Kannel level of trolling. "No seriously, I think the SEC is the 3rd or 4th toughest football conference."