Russia and Ukraine

Sangoma · Post by **Sangoma** » Wed Apr 30, 2014 11:32 am

This is hilarious

Steven Seagal praises Putin

Sangoma · Post by **Sangoma** » Wed Apr 30, 2014 11:37 am

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Wild Bill · Post by **Wild Bill** » Thu May 01, 2014 2:54 am

Wild Bill · Post by **Wild Bill** » Thu May 01, 2014 2:55 am

Batboy2/75 · Post by **Batboy2/75** » Sat May 03, 2014 1:01 am

Putin is playing the decadent west like a fiddle.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-27250026

Wild Bill · Post by **Wild Bill** » Mon May 05, 2014 2:43 am

Some serious shit there... I didn't believe that Crimea will be ...hm... "returned" to Russia. Now i will not even try to gues how situation develop.
New Ukrainian government do all what they can, to give Putin proper excuses.
One "good" thing that all those burned separatists revealed to be citizens of Ukraine from Odessa.

Fat Cat · Post by **Fat Cat** » Mon May 05, 2014 7:02 am

Yeah that fire was fucked up.

Batboy2/75 · Post by **Batboy2/75** » Mon May 05, 2014 3:21 pm

On the political front the fire in Odessa is a PR disaster for the Ukrainians. It even conjures up images of Nazis burning people alive in churches or public buildings during WWII. When your enemy is calling you a bunch of Nazis, this is not the situation you want unfolding.

I'm going to go out on a limb and predict that Eastern Ukraine will be Russian owned by the end of the year.

Wild Bill · Post by **Wild Bill** » Mon May 05, 2014 9:43 pm

Batboy2/75 wrote:It even conjures up images of Nazis burning people alive in churches or public buildings during WWII.

Especially that it were Ukrainian Nazis who burned Khatyn (not germans).
And new Ukrainian government adopted slogans and flags of those Ukrainian Nazis.

Wild Bill · Post by **Wild Bill** » Mon May 05, 2014 10:10 pm

Sangoma · Post by **Sangoma** » Tue May 06, 2014 12:16 am

I don't think Russia will ever move troops into Ukraine. Whoever has influence over the events will keep the place unsettled for as long as they can. The West is not interested for Ukraine to get under the Russian wing, while Russia is not interested in Ukraine becoming Westernized and join NATO. Keeping the place inflamed will give both Russkies and Yanks the excuse to wave dicks at each other and get military budgets swelling, with respective increase of employment in the sectors and political points.

Besides these two major interests there are a bunch of smaller players: Germans who are dependent on Russian gas, Poland, Romania, Moldova and Belarus who have differen takes on the precedent in case federalisation of Ukraine does take place. Finally, arms trading countries who are interested in ongoing conflict.

Meanwhile the wankers on the ground get caught in the nationalist/independence rhetoric and are led easily by thugs to kill each other. I am afraid the place is likely to become the second Syria, where Russia is backing the government and US is behind the rebels, incidentally ultra-religious Wahabies. Never mind right or wrong, neither will lead to peace in the near future.

Wild Bill · Post by **Wild Bill** » Tue May 06, 2014 5:07 am

Smet wrote:I don't think Russia will ever move troops into Ukraine.

I am also sure it is impossible.
The same as i was sure that Putin would not accept Crimea's referendum :))

Wild Bill · Post by **Wild Bill** » Tue May 06, 2014 5:19 am

But Crimea little different. It was worth of quarreling with whole world. Bases for fleet... etc

East of Ukraine maybe not worth it.
I personally think that after Russia accepted Crimea, they thought that they also will be accepted if they organize similar referendums, but... they are not so important as Crimea.
Maybe after more blood... maybe after provocations on 9th May or something.

And i still can't calm myself... it was only one year to next elections! But E.U. didn't want to wait. Now they get what they did.

Fat Cat · Post by **Fat Cat** » Tue May 06, 2014 6:27 am

You keep saying the EU did it but those aren't Germans and Italians in Kiev. The Ukrainian people there did this.

Wild Bill · Post by **Wild Bill** » Tue May 06, 2014 6:38 am

Fat Cat wrote:You keep saying the EU did it but those aren't Germans and Italians in Kiev. The Ukrainian people there did this.

Ukrainians just started this. But then...

They supported, provokated, promised something... etc.
All big bosses from EU (and U.S.) were there. And they openly called for the overthrow of the legitimate authorities.

Just imagine how much it cost. About 3-4months so many people stayed there.
They must eat something. They must shit somwhere.
Someone must take avay shit.
Someone must organize military and medicine support.
manufacturing Molotov cocktails were put on conveyor.
There a lot of money and organizational work.

Wild Bill · Post by **Wild Bill** » Tue May 06, 2014 6:41 am

And all those people did not work all this time. It means someone paid them.

Wild Bill · Post by **Wild Bill** » Tue May 06, 2014 6:46 am

Of course it could be not only E.U. or U.S.

It could be Ukrainian oligarhs. After all they rules now.

Protobuilder · Post by **Protobuilder** » Tue May 06, 2014 8:41 am

Wild Bill wrote:

I don't believe that nobody here has commented on this yet.

Wild Bill · Post by **Wild Bill** » Tue May 06, 2014 11:02 am

Phaedrus wrote:I don't believe that nobody here has commented on this yet.

American ambassador in president's chair giving orders to vassals :)

On the right pic - Security Service of Ukraine.

nafod · Post by **nafod** » Tue May 06, 2014 12:06 pm

Wild Bill wrote:
Phaedrus wrote:I don't believe that nobody here has commented on this yet.
American ambassador in president's chair giving orders to vassals :)

On the right pic - Security Service of Ukraine.

Puh-leeze

Fat Cat · Post by **Fat Cat** » Tue May 06, 2014 7:04 pm

Phaedrus wrote:
Wild Bill wrote:
I don't believe that nobody here has commented on this yet.

$\:D/$

Sangoma · Post by **Sangoma** » Tue May 06, 2014 10:56 pm

Even I don't believe these are genuine photos.

Wild Bill · Post by **Wild Bill** » Tue May 06, 2014 10:58 pm

Smet wrote:Even I don't believe these are genuine photos.

they are real :)

Wild Bill · Post by **Wild Bill** » Tue May 06, 2014 11:10 pm

It is Ukrainian news

0:40
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxuZ-17EULE[/youtube]

Wild Bill · Post by **Wild Bill** » Tue May 06, 2014 11:16 pm

and this is real :)

http://www.nr2.ru/kiev/224598.html

IGX

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