The couch thread

[Really Big Strong Guy]

A call to arms from Everett's website:

The IGx folks have been far too polite. If they would stop wanking around trolling blogs and dissing each other, and would instead unleash pure hate, bile and evil, I'll bring the popcorn.

Linkage?

It's in this thread:

http://www.cathletics.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4871

Have Balls,
Nice signature.

[Shafpocalypse Now]

I'd like to take a moment here to talk about "Fair Use" guidelines, since apparently Mario's been getting requests to remove pictures from this thread.

Please review this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use#F ... e_Internet

And other similar threads.

[Yes I Have Balls]

For those of you that enjoy seeing Barry Cooper get the beat down, I submit this cut and paste from Robb Wof's blog postings about why he was fired. Robb has a friend/client named Dave who is a lawyer. Barry tries to butt heads with Dave and loses rather spectacularly. The Barry beat down mostly starts of page 11 here: http://robbwolf.com/?p=976

Barry Cooper's points in italics.

Ok, Barry, if you REALLY want to go there:

I am, thankfully, not an attorney. I don’t know any attorneys who like their >jobs, the bulk of the time, although they like cashing the checks.

So is this supposed to intone that ALL attorneys hate their jobs? Or what. You kind of lost me there with your ‘logic’. Its kind of funny that you mention lawyers not liking their jobs however, because I had gotten to that point a couple of years ago. The reality was, however, that not only did I not like my job, I did not like much of anything. I was tired all the time, I had no energy, I was depressed and short tempered. I blamed it on all kinds of things, stress, having a weak immune system, medical issues, etc. Now why am I including this personal information, in this Robb v HQ debate, because you made it relevant. I LOVE being an attorney again. I Love almost everything about my life now. You know why……because when the doctors finally told me that they did not know what else to do for me, Rob gave me a simple, but scary suggestion: Try Paleo.

Turns out I suffer from Celiac’s Disease, (even my allergist had missed that possibility). My doctors have been amazed at my turn around, and have the testing results SHOWING how my blood tests went from universally horrible and off the scale bad, to being in almost all “excellent” range within 90 days. So here I am 60 lbs lighter, strong as an ox, all of the myrid medical problems I had been dealing with my entire life virtually vanished over night. I still don’t like the punishing WOD’s, I still have at least another 25 lbs to lose, and I think many of you “athletes” are crazy for the things you like to do, but I feel Great. I have two attorney friends who have now joined our gym, guess what, they are feeling better too. So watch out, there is a growing movement of revitalized attorneys looking to make sure that everyone knows the benefits of Paleo. =)

Now on to your points:

…is that this was not an official CrossFit event. If it had been, HQ would have determined the content. Dave and others were there in their own capacities. Legally, this exempts the corporation from responsibility, in my understanding.

Wow, for not being a lawyer, you sure try to make a legal conclusion. Problem is that Dave was there as a representative of CF Inc. He was there in an official capacity. If you think I am wrong, let him show you his receipt for being simply a ‘paying participant’.

Moreover, this was not a workplace event. This was a seminar put on by a group of individuals, and attended by people who were unconnected corporately. It was the legal equivalent of a seminar on how to get rich in Real Estate. To the extent there is legal culpability, it would fall on those whose names were on the room reservation, and who took the fees that were paid. This would include, presumably, Greg Everett himself.

BUZZZ…. Wrong again. The issue of “work place” violence and “hostile work environment” is not limited strictly to a conventional office or factory. Robb had a personal services contract with CF Inc. as an independent contractor. So while not technically an “employee” he had an employment contract with CF Inc. Dave is a supervisor for CF Inc. He was there representing CF Inc. There is your “corporate” connection, (though technically such is not required under current law). The issue is that Dave, as a supervisory employee of CF Inc., engaged in what appears to be hostile, demeaning and violent behavior WHILE representing CF Inc. That gives Robb an issue of hostile work environment, Greg an issue of assault, and the sponsors of the Black Box a claim for tortious interference.

Let me make it easy for you: IF what Dave did and said was not “relevant”, if this was some “off the record” meeting having no professional or CF connection such that what Dave said and did should not be seen as having anything to do with CF Inc., THEN that same rational would require that what Robb and Greg said would have to be viewed in the same light, and therefore immune from CF Inc. review, comment and punishment YET, you have Dave there, representing CF Inc., and then telling both Robb and Greg that they were “done” with CF, based on what they said at this event. Hmmm, good luck finding a jury to buy that hunk of cheese.

It doesn’t surprise me that the first impulse of an attorney would be to think legal sanctions and litigation. If your only tool is a hammer, all problems start to look like nails.

Hmm, again. Is this supposed to mean something? Or do you just like reading such nonsensical tripe? I have a whole tool chest at my disposal, (both literally and figuratively). The point is that the law imposes certain duties on Corporations. If you don’t understand this, the primary reason why owners choose to operate their businesses through a corporation is to acquire both liability and tax protections. In return for these protections, the corporation is held up to a higher legal standard and can not be unilaterally operated by a single individual. Failing to live up to these standards or allowing one person to have unfettered control, thereby violates those standards, and allows shareholders, (potentially affiliates), and 3rd parties to sue the individual shareholders, officers and directors of the corporation. This is commonly known as “piercing the corporate veil”.

As far as the legal interests of the Corporation, you do understand, don’t you, that affiliation is not ownership in CrossFit, Inc (or whatever it is) itself?

Yes, I understand that, but do you understand that ‘ownership’ is not required to file such lawsuits against a corporation in this situation. Rather than ownership, all one has to be able to allege, is that they 1) relied on CF Inc. to follow the law, 2) that CF Inc., failed to follow the law, 3) they were somehow damaged thereby. That is a negligence primer, (Duty, Breach and Causation). When discussing work place violence, then you have the added statutory duties that may impose punitive damages for failure of the Corporation to fully meet its duty under the law. What do you think it would do to the CF Brand, and the individual affiliates that paid money to affiliate with CF Inc., if Dave’s tantrum became an internet sensation. What do you think would happen if CF Inc., failed to properly investigate this situation, only to have Dave physically hurt someone later?

As a lawyer, I admit to having a different view of things. That different view is a capability to remove emotion, and look at the underlying issues. If you actually read my posts, you will notice that I have not said Robb did nothing wrong. What I originally stated, (and still believe), is that there is blame to go around for the situation developing as it did. HOWEVER, if what has been related is remotely accurate, Dave created a potential firestorm of liability problems for CF Inc., (especially for any future events). All someone will have to claim down the line, is that Dave hurt them, created a hostile work environment, etc. and that CF Inc., and all of its officers, directors, and shareholders should have known his propensity for violence, that they failed to make an adequate investigation in this case, and such failure to take these mandated steps, thereby caused the person’s injuries. Then…..there goes CF Inc., there goes the affiliation, there goes the brand, there goes the community, (and honestly, there goes Glassman’s house, retirement, etc., along with everyone else involved with the corp.

The people who own CrossFit the brand are small in number, and may actually be limited to the Glassman’s themselves. Their “fiduciary duty”, such that it is, is to themselves, legally. Your argument, therefore, is empty.

Please review your first statement, “you are not a lawyer”. Second, review what a corporation is, legally. I have an 8 volume set in my office called the California Corporations Code. Please note that the vast majority of duties of the officers and directors of a corporation, are DUEL duties to those of their stockholders and the STATE. Their knowing failure to follow such rules, laws and duties, make them not only liable to the stockholders, but to anyone else who relies on the Corporation, (affiliates), to anyone hurt by their failure to follow the law, and to the state and potentially federal government. Not only are there reporting requirements to both state and feds, there are also required reports to their corporate liability carrier. If CF Inc., does not investigate this incident appropriately, I doubt they will appropriately fill out their disclosure statement to their liability carrier. This form is signed under penalty of perjury. Get my drift. This is a mine field of both civil and criminal liability.

but I do think that the attendees will in fact be getting a Nutrition Expert, as promised.

Again, you apparently missed the point. The relevant issue is not that Robb is “irreplaceable”, the issues is that CF Inc., should be employing a flexible corporate structure that allows its experts to give the best information they have, in a continual effort to support the best training and information available. That is how the brand is going to continue to grow, because rather than Excluding ideas, it is a system for INCLUDING and PROMOTING those practices that show actual success. That is the basic framework of an “open source” system, (which is why this is so reminiscent of Wizards of the Coast and Peter Adkinson), who pioneered this very concept in the publication industry, and who later lost his empire due to succumbing to his own dictatorial and control demons. What CF Inc., seems to be saying, (and you have even admitted to), regardless of data, proof, and evidence against the Zone Diet being the one stop shop for everyone, CF Inc. wants to continue to promote that idea to the exclusion of all others. Why? Because that is the way Glassman wants it? Because that is what Dave wants? If it is any answer other than because it is the BEST answer, then it is repugnant to the corporate mission, and will devalue the brand.

”… that does not affect the brand of CrossFit at all. Most people will never meet Coach Glassman.

If you happen to read my posts, you will see that I have Never mentioned such old issues. However, CF Inc., is the issue here, not Glassman. If CF Inc., does not follow the law, (and if someone wants to go after them for it), then we will all suffer. Even more likely, nothing will happen “this time”, because Robb and Greg will move on and not want to dwell on this. But the next time Dave gets out of line, those lawyers who are just looking at a paycheck, are going to carve up CF Inc., and the Glassman family, and will be able to do so, because of their failures to live up to their legal obligations.

Bill Gates has ALWAYS been notorious for his tirades. His business, none the less, has done well, as I think we can agree. This aspect of his personality is, for most people, completely irrelevant.

You do know that Bill Gates has not had any management control in almost 15 years, right? His tirades, control issues, and bad business practices, and the law suits they spawned, caused his institutional investors to push him out of management. He cost his company BILLIONS of dollars that they are still paying. Again, many times, the most gifted, smart and creative individuals, have a horrible time managing businesses, because their ‘character’ flaws, tend to multiply in severity.

More generally, I can see why I annoy some of you: I argue my case rationally, and you have no response.

Oh please, get over yourself. If your posts are what you believe constitute “logical arguments”, then you need to take a course in Logic and Critical Thinking. You might then understand the difference between a logical analogy and a self-serving example. Your posts are devoid of the first, and filled with the second, (I wanted to make sure you understood my comment). You annoy people for the same reason I do. We are long winded, full of ourselves, and ultimately stroking our own egos. The only difference, is that I let people know when I am jerking them off, and you think you are actually getting away with it unnoticed.

It must be frustrating.

Nope, I rather enjoy this. Please continue dithering on if you must. But then again, I am an ass.

You COULD use this as a learning experience. You COULD try to see things from my point of view.

I have learned much from you, and I always try to see things from others points of view. I don’t think what I learned is what you intended, and unfortunately, part of what I have learned is that you don’t really have a point of view…..other than you want to give Glassman cart blanch to do, say, or act in any way he wants, (even if such violates the law). Everything else you have written, is just “your” justification for your position.

Or, of course, you can insult me. If you’ve been reading me long, surely none of you are stupid enough to think that will make an iota of difference, except in the direction of increasing my mental focus, and tenacity in the defense of my viewpoints, which you have otherwise left untouched?

When I addressed you directly in my post, it was in the hope, that I could bait you to do what you have done, (respond). I don’t need to insult you, I just need to keep you writing. So please, do increase your mental focus, and your tenacity…..it is your only hope. =)

[Fat Cat]

This thread will hit 500 by Monday.

[Dan Martin]

There will never be a shortage of de facto or de jour douchebaggery.

[Yes I Have Balls]

This thread will hit 500 by Monday.

That is a metric shit ton of bile all in one place! Bravo!

[Really Big Strong Guy]

Where would one go to read the ranting blither of Barry Cooper? Most of what he writes is absolutely devoid of true thought. It's awesome. I need that shit for a "brain break."

[theoverman]

Where would one go to read the ranting blither of Barry Cooper? Most of what he writes is absolutely devoid of true thought. It's awesome. I need that shit for a "brain break."

Most of his brief comments can be found on the @F boards. Shit's doubleplusungood.

[Crust Bucket]

[T200]

That Performance Menu thread comes of very naive over all. Very flowers-in-bloom.

It is strange to see POD being respected.

Shout out: What's up PM faggot lurkers!

[TerryB]

LMAO!

I have learned much from you, and...part of what I have learned is that you don’t really have a point of view…..other than you want to give Glassman cart blanch to do, say, or act in any way he wants....

When I addressed you directly in my post, it was in the hope, that I could bait you to do what you have done, (respond). I don’t need to insult you, I just need to keep you writing.

Barry, Barry, Barry....

[TerryB]

This shit is too good to get buried in another thread.

Hey Cultfitters!! Thanks to Greg Glassman, Cultfit is taking YOUR (pretend) elite fitness to the NEXT LEVEL (of the pyramid marketing scheme)!!! Time to start giving your money to the BRILLIANT Dr. Scott Connelly! The (marketing) GENIUS who brought you such AWESOME (overpriced) supps as MET-RX (generic protein powder)! EXCITING TIMES!!!*


*Of course, there is NO Pressure to buy and/or use PROGENEX but anyone caught NOT using these products will enjoy a visit from Dave Asstro, who will be strictly visiting on HIS OWN PERSONAL TIME and NOT ON OFFICIAL HQ BUSINESS. Also, remember, Cultfit values ANY AND ALL opinions, although research will show that anyone besides Dr. Connelly is a useless charlatan lacking in clinical experience.

The two 2010 CrossFit Games champions will earn a $25,000 prize purse each, thanks to the generous sponsorship of PROGENEX.

This is a major jump for the competitors. For the first three Games, the prize money was $500, $1,500, and $5,000, respectively. Now, we know you don't compete for the cash, but $25K will outfit a serious affiliate.

PROGENEX is led by Dr. Scott Connelly, founder of MET-Rx, the company that launched the sports nutrition industry. Dr. Connelly is considered by the international medical community as a pioneer in the physiology of nutrition, muscle metabolism and molecular biology. Dr. Connelly's track record for developing products that deliver remarkable results is unmatched, and his support of the CrossFit community will be invaluable.

PROGENEX products promise to make even the best protein supplements yesterday's news, because they contain concentrated bioactive milk protein fractions that Dr. Connelly has identified as powerful signaling molecules that target muscle recovery, growth, repair and strength.

The PROGENEX Recovery product is extremely interesting, and is currently blowing away professional athletes in the NFL and the NBA. Enabling athletes to recover from grueling workouts in hours, PROGENEX Recovery is changing the way athletes train.

PROGENEX is proud to sponsor the 2010 CrossFit games and be a part of CrossFit history.

[Yes I Have Balls]

Where would one go to read the ranting blither of Barry Cooper? Most of what he writes is absolutely devoid of true thought. It's awesome. I need that shit for a "brain break."

Rest day on @fit.com. Barry and a few other wingnut, @fit apologists, etc. band together and discuss whatever tinfoil hat, right-wing propaganda is posted that day.

Barry likes to get drunk and bully people and at least admits it.

[Yes I Have Balls]

It's like in "They Live" when Roddy Piper puts on the glasses and sees shit for how it really is*.

http://board.crossfit.com/showthread.php?t=53450

*A good photchop might be in order.

[Grandpa's Spells]

For those of you that enjoy seeing Barry Cooper get the beat down, I submit this cut and paste from Robb Wof's blog postings about why he was fired. Robb has a friend/client named Dave who is a lawyer. Barry tries to butt heads with Dave and loses rather spectacularly. The Barry beat down mostly starts of page 11 here: http://robbwolf.com/?p=976

Barry Cooper's points in italics.

Ok, Barry, if you REALLY want to go there:

I am, thankfully, not an attorney. I don’t know any attorneys who like their >jobs, the bulk of the time, although they like cashing the checks.

So is this supposed to intone that ALL attorneys hate their jobs? Or what. You kind of lost me there with your ‘logic’. Its kind of funny that you mention lawyers not liking their jobs however, because I had gotten to that point a couple of years ago. The reality was, however, that not only did I not like my job, I did not like much of anything. I was tired all the time, I had no energy, I was depressed and short tempered. I blamed it on all kinds of things, stress, having a weak immune system, medical issues, etc. Now why am I including this personal information, in this Robb v HQ debate, because you made it relevant. I LOVE being an attorney again. I Love almost everything about my life now. You know why……because when the doctors finally told me that they did not know what else to do for me, Rob gave me a simple, but scary suggestion: Try Paleo.

Turns out I suffer from Celiac’s Disease, (even my allergist had missed that possibility). My doctors have been amazed at my turn around, and have the testing results SHOWING how my blood tests went from universally horrible and off the scale bad, to being in almost all “excellent” range within 90 days. So here I am 60 lbs lighter, strong as an ox, all of the myrid medical problems I had been dealing with my entire life virtually vanished over night. I still don’t like the punishing WOD’s, I still have at least another 25 lbs to lose, and I think many of you “athletes” are crazy for the things you like to do, but I feel Great. I have two attorney friends who have now joined our gym, guess what, they are feeling better too. So watch out, there is a growing movement of revitalized attorneys looking to make sure that everyone knows the benefits of Paleo. =)

Now on to your points:

…is that this was not an official CrossFit event. If it had been, HQ would have determined the content. Dave and others were there in their own capacities. Legally, this exempts the corporation from responsibility, in my understanding.

Wow, for not being a lawyer, you sure try to make a legal conclusion. Problem is that Dave was there as a representative of CF Inc. He was there in an official capacity. If you think I am wrong, let him show you his receipt for being simply a ‘paying participant’.

Moreover, this was not a workplace event. This was a seminar put on by a group of individuals, and attended by people who were unconnected corporately. It was the legal equivalent of a seminar on how to get rich in Real Estate. To the extent there is legal culpability, it would fall on those whose names were on the room reservation, and who took the fees that were paid. This would include, presumably, Greg Everett himself.

BUZZZ…. Wrong again. The issue of “work place” violence and “hostile work environment” is not limited strictly to a conventional office or factory. Robb had a personal services contract with CF Inc. as an independent contractor. So while not technically an “employee” he had an employment contract with CF Inc. Dave is a supervisor for CF Inc. He was there representing CF Inc. There is your “corporate” connection, (though technically such is not required under current law). The issue is that Dave, as a supervisory employee of CF Inc., engaged in what appears to be hostile, demeaning and violent behavior WHILE representing CF Inc. That gives Robb an issue of hostile work environment, Greg an issue of assault, and the sponsors of the Black Box a claim for tortious interference.

Let me make it easy for you: IF what Dave did and said was not “relevant”, if this was some “off the record” meeting having no professional or CF connection such that what Dave said and did should not be seen as having anything to do with CF Inc., THEN that same rational would require that what Robb and Greg said would have to be viewed in the same light, and therefore immune from CF Inc. review, comment and punishment YET, you have Dave there, representing CF Inc., and then telling both Robb and Greg that they were “done” with CF, based on what they said at this event. Hmmm, good luck finding a jury to buy that hunk of cheese.

It doesn’t surprise me that the first impulse of an attorney would be to think legal sanctions and litigation. If your only tool is a hammer, all problems start to look like nails.

Hmm, again. Is this supposed to mean something? Or do you just like reading such nonsensical tripe? I have a whole tool chest at my disposal, (both literally and figuratively). The point is that the law imposes certain duties on Corporations. If you don’t understand this, the primary reason why owners choose to operate their businesses through a corporation is to acquire both liability and tax protections. In return for these protections, the corporation is held up to a higher legal standard and can not be unilaterally operated by a single individual. Failing to live up to these standards or allowing one person to have unfettered control, thereby violates those standards, and allows shareholders, (potentially affiliates), and 3rd parties to sue the individual shareholders, officers and directors of the corporation. This is commonly known as “piercing the corporate veil”.

As far as the legal interests of the Corporation, you do understand, don’t you, that affiliation is not ownership in CrossFit, Inc (or whatever it is) itself?

Yes, I understand that, but do you understand that ‘ownership’ is not required to file such lawsuits against a corporation in this situation. Rather than ownership, all one has to be able to allege, is that they 1) relied on CF Inc. to follow the law, 2) that CF Inc., failed to follow the law, 3) they were somehow damaged thereby. That is a negligence primer, (Duty, Breach and Causation). When discussing work place violence, then you have the added statutory duties that may impose punitive damages for failure of the Corporation to fully meet its duty under the law. What do you think it would do to the CF Brand, and the individual affiliates that paid money to affiliate with CF Inc., if Dave’s tantrum became an internet sensation. What do you think would happen if CF Inc., failed to properly investigate this situation, only to have Dave physically hurt someone later?

As a lawyer, I admit to having a different view of things. That different view is a capability to remove emotion, and look at the underlying issues. If you actually read my posts, you will notice that I have not said Robb did nothing wrong. What I originally stated, (and still believe), is that there is blame to go around for the situation developing as it did. HOWEVER, if what has been related is remotely accurate, Dave created a potential firestorm of liability problems for CF Inc., (especially for any future events). All someone will have to claim down the line, is that Dave hurt them, created a hostile work environment, etc. and that CF Inc., and all of its officers, directors, and shareholders should have known his propensity for violence, that they failed to make an adequate investigation in this case, and such failure to take these mandated steps, thereby caused the person’s injuries. Then…..there goes CF Inc., there goes the affiliation, there goes the brand, there goes the community, (and honestly, there goes Glassman’s house, retirement, etc., along with everyone else involved with the corp.

The people who own CrossFit the brand are small in number, and may actually be limited to the Glassman’s themselves. Their “fiduciary duty”, such that it is, is to themselves, legally. Your argument, therefore, is empty.

Please review your first statement, “you are not a lawyer”. Second, review what a corporation is, legally. I have an 8 volume set in my office called the California Corporations Code. Please note that the vast majority of duties of the officers and directors of a corporation, are DUEL duties to those of their stockholders and the STATE. Their knowing failure to follow such rules, laws and duties, make them not only liable to the stockholders, but to anyone else who relies on the Corporation, (affiliates), to anyone hurt by their failure to follow the law, and to the state and potentially federal government. Not only are there reporting requirements to both state and feds, there are also required reports to their corporate liability carrier. If CF Inc., does not investigate this incident appropriately, I doubt they will appropriately fill out their disclosure statement to their liability carrier. This form is signed under penalty of perjury. Get my drift. This is a mine field of both civil and criminal liability.

but I do think that the attendees will in fact be getting a Nutrition Expert, as promised.

Again, you apparently missed the point. The relevant issue is not that Robb is “irreplaceable”, the issues is that CF Inc., should be employing a flexible corporate structure that allows its experts to give the best information they have, in a continual effort to support the best training and information available. That is how the brand is going to continue to grow, because rather than Excluding ideas, it is a system for INCLUDING and PROMOTING those practices that show actual success. That is the basic framework of an “open source” system, (which is why this is so reminiscent of Wizards of the Coast and Peter Adkinson), who pioneered this very concept in the publication industry, and who later lost his empire due to succumbing to his own dictatorial and control demons. What CF Inc., seems to be saying, (and you have even admitted to), regardless of data, proof, and evidence against the Zone Diet being the one stop shop for everyone, CF Inc. wants to continue to promote that idea to the exclusion of all others. Why? Because that is the way Glassman wants it? Because that is what Dave wants? If it is any answer other than because it is the BEST answer, then it is repugnant to the corporate mission, and will devalue the brand.

”… that does not affect the brand of CrossFit at all. Most people will never meet Coach Glassman.

If you happen to read my posts, you will see that I have Never mentioned such old issues. However, CF Inc., is the issue here, not Glassman. If CF Inc., does not follow the law, (and if someone wants to go after them for it), then we will all suffer. Even more likely, nothing will happen “this time”, because Robb and Greg will move on and not want to dwell on this. But the next time Dave gets out of line, those lawyers who are just looking at a paycheck, are going to carve up CF Inc., and the Glassman family, and will be able to do so, because of their failures to live up to their legal obligations.

Bill Gates has ALWAYS been notorious for his tirades. His business, none the less, has done well, as I think we can agree. This aspect of his personality is, for most people, completely irrelevant.

You do know that Bill Gates has not had any management control in almost 15 years, right? His tirades, control issues, and bad business practices, and the law suits they spawned, caused his institutional investors to push him out of management. He cost his company BILLIONS of dollars that they are still paying. Again, many times, the most gifted, smart and creative individuals, have a horrible time managing businesses, because their ‘character’ flaws, tend to multiply in severity.

More generally, I can see why I annoy some of you: I argue my case rationally, and you have no response.

Oh please, get over yourself. If your posts are what you believe constitute “logical arguments”, then you need to take a course in Logic and Critical Thinking. You might then understand the difference between a logical analogy and a self-serving example. Your posts are devoid of the first, and filled with the second, (I wanted to make sure you understood my comment). You annoy people for the same reason I do. We are long winded, full of ourselves, and ultimately stroking our own egos. The only difference, is that I let people know when I am jerking them off, and you think you are actually getting away with it unnoticed.

It must be frustrating.

Nope, I rather enjoy this. Please continue dithering on if you must. But then again, I am an ass.

You COULD use this as a learning experience. You COULD try to see things from my point of view.

I have learned much from you, and I always try to see things from others points of view. I don’t think what I learned is what you intended, and unfortunately, part of what I have learned is that you don’t really have a point of view…..other than you want to give Glassman cart blanch to do, say, or act in any way he wants, (even if such violates the law). Everything else you have written, is just “your” justification for your position.

Or, of course, you can insult me. If you’ve been reading me long, surely none of you are stupid enough to think that will make an iota of difference, except in the direction of increasing my mental focus, and tenacity in the defense of my viewpoints, which you have otherwise left untouched?

When I addressed you directly in my post, it was in the hope, that I could bait you to do what you have done, (respond). I don’t need to insult you, I just need to keep you writing. So please, do increase your mental focus, and your tenacity…..it is your only hope. =)

=D> =D> =D> =D> I nominate him for IGx Consigliere

[T200]

Someone post those Mounce screenshots again for all these new faggots.

[WildGorillaMan]

To reiterate for @fit lurkers:

I'd like to take a moment here to talk about "Fair Use" guidelines, since apparently Mario's been getting requests to remove pictures from this thread.

Please review this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use#F ... e_Internet

And other similar threads.

After reviewing the doctrine of "fair use" please feel free to then go fuck yourselves.

If you fucking raging narcissists didn't want people to look at pictures of you on the Internet, then maybe you shouldn't have posted them. You're getting attention here, isn't that what you wanted all along?

Andro Friday is a celebration of the elitulatory female form. The broads pictured here should be flattered, plus, as mentioned above, they're getting the attention they wanted.

As for the pictures of the doofuses and rejects who are lifting light weights badly, well, you really should be keeping your shame to yourself instead of plastering your eliteitude all over the web.

[Yes I Have Balls]

And then, even though Wolff asked Barry NOT TO POST ANYMORE as it was getting NOWHERE, Barry JUST HAD TO pipe in again. He’s most likely drunk at this time:

Then, Dave completely eviscerates Barry again. Barry Cooper in italics:

”Now that the peanut gallery is all that apparently remains, I will call this discussion a day. ”

No…..Say it ain’t so Charlie Brown. What’s happened to your tenacity? Your mental focus? Your clear superiority over those of us in the peanut gallery require your continued obfuscations. If not you, who is going to show us the ‘right’ way?

I think the productive aspect of it is complete.

LOL, the productive aspect of this “discussion” continues, its just that you and I were never really a part of it. I hope this is part of your realization, but I figure it is just you finally realizing that every word you type just makes you look more foolish.

Through the input of all of you my own views have developed to what I believe to be an accurate understanding of the events and people involved.

Wow, “your views” are now an “accurate understanding”, so I guess you are trying to say that “your views” are now the truth? How convenient for you. Some might call that a ’self reinforcing delusion’; I think, therefore I know the truth. See, I keep learning new theories and philosophies from you all the time. Thank you for your continued patronage. =)

Barry, making me the winner of my bet with my wife that he just COULDN’T walk away without trying to have the last word:

This is the first time he has created a liability issue, and he has likely been put on notice that a second offense will lead to his termination. The Board is fine with those decisions, as Dave has otherwise been an asset, most of the time. Fiduciary Duty is served.

Geez Barry, how many times do I have to explain this. I am NOT saying it is my opinion that CF Inc. must do a 3rd party investigation into Castro’s Follies, it is the requirement of both California and Federal Case law. Further, it is a standard requirement on all business liability policies, (due to the state and federal cases), because the Insurance Company does not want to take the chance to be responsible for the HUGE damages that can result from a company NOT following the proper procedures. Whether YOU believe a private censure is enough is both irrelevant and further demonstrates your lack of understanding of the issue. Who the F*CK cares what YOU think, (or for that matter I think). I am talking about well established legal requirements, that I would be requiring any corporation or business for which I was their counsel, (and signed their yearly statement of disclosures to their liability carriers), to employ.

Let me put it this way, If Robb came to me, (or I found out) that one of Robb’s trainers had committed a similar “violent” episode, and knowing that all of Robb’s trainers are close friends of his; I would do EVERYTHING in my power to make Robb do the 3rd party investigation, suspension of the trainer, etc. JUST AS I AM RELATING WHAT THE LAW REQUIRES CF INC. TO DO.

Nothing different. Nothing less. It would not matter if the trainer were a personal friend of mine. This is NOT about friendship. This is not about “personal loyalty”. This is about PROTECTING clients, affiliates, co-workers, and the business entity itself. Again, WHO is now going to perjur themselves by signing the yearly insurance disclosure? Someone’s going to have to, or they will have to drop their liability insurance altogether. NO, they just can’t switch, because the new policy, will have a “look back” disclosure, whereby you have to fill out the same disclosure under penalty of perjury.

Moreover, Dave was NOT operating in an official capacity. The chairs did >not say CrossFit. He was not the personal envoy of CrossFit, Inc.

I made this easy for you above Barry. Have Dave provide his receipt for his personal payment of $1,000 to the BBS, (whereby he was simply a private paying attendee). Do that, and your “belief” that Dave was not “representing CF Inc.”, might have some traction. Short of that, I am going to go with the repeated statements of Greg, Robb, Dutch, etc., that Dave was there, (and expressly made it known), that he was there on behalf of CF Inc., (HQ). Please note, that your “belief” would also have to account for how Dave could “invite Buerger”, (or whatever the guy’s name is that wrote up the CF article on the BBS). He specifically said that he was Dave Castro’s guest. How could Castro, as simply a paying private attendee, INVITE someone to the BBS, who also did not pay to attend? The only reasonable conclusion is that Dave invited him, because Dave was the representative of CF Inc., and wanted Buerger to chronicle the event for CF Inc.

Again Barry, you can manufacture any beliefs you want. That doesn’t make them logical, persuasive, or even rational. Saying that Dave was not representing CF Inc., is easy. Presenting any FACTS, Anecdotes, or evidence to support your statement is the hard part, (because it is not accurate). I have multiple people saying Dave told them he was there representing CF Inc. I have multiple people saying they did not really want him there, (because of his past transgressions), but felt they couldn’t keep him away as he was the CF Inc. rep. I got the guy saying Dave invited him to chronicle the BBS for CF Inc. What you got? ……

See, that’s the difference between a Statement and an Argument. You are making a statement, I am making an argument. An argument that to date, you have been unable to refute or discredit with anything other than your own personal beliefs.

Regardless, go ahead, sue them. See what happens. People threaten to sue every day, and some of them do. And if no lawsuit is going to be filed, then why do you care? Because that is a subtle way of insulting CrossFit HQ and others, and because you know your chain of events will never be tested with actual litigation?

If Robb or Greg asked me to, I would certainly consider it. However, I already stated above that I doubt either of them, (or the BBS group itself), will file such a law suit. What you apparently still DON’T understand is, that now Dave is a WALKING time bomb of liability.

ANYONE, an affiliate, a co-worker, a volunteer at the Games, a motel worker where he stays at during CF Inc. trips, anyone coming into contact with Dave, and then claiming that he created a hostile work environment, assaulted them, etc., not only will have a claim for that incident, but probable punitive damages against CF Inc., their officers and directors, because they failed to properly investigate and Stop Dave from creating future such incidents.
That is why this has become a HUGE liability issue for corporations across the country, and why GL insurers are all requiring the yearly disclosures. If you really feel that strongly, and secure about your opinions, then maybe you can convince CF Inc., to appoint you as the Corporate Compliance Officer or Controller. Then you can sign the disclosure statements under penalty of perjury stating that you have made a diligent inquiry, and are unaware of any claims, events, or actions that could give rise to any current or future liability against the corporation, or any of its officers, directors or employees.

Robb, I have to say, after reading all this, I have reached the same conclusion Dave C. did: you need to resign your affiliation.

LOL…..”after reading all this”…..Dude, get a grip. You have been stating the same crap from your first post to your last. You agree with Dave. What Dave did does not matter. Glassman is God. Robb deserved to get fired, because he did not ’submit’ to the all powerful dictatorial presence of HQ. All hail the Chief. Ignore the Barbarians at the Gate. et fini, et fini

You are basically encouraging Dave, here, to go on and on about the legal and moral culpability of CrossFit HQ, talking down to people about their lack of knowledge of the hypertrophic potential of eccentric lifts, and generally not acting like you like anyone who runs CrossFit.

Wait, first you are mistaken about Robb asking you to stop posting. Then you think I care or even know WTF hypertrophic potential is. Damn dude, do you actually READ any of these posts? I have been “talking down” to you, because you are spewing bullshit quasi legal jargon that you have absolutely no real understanding of. I will let Robb “talk down” to you about the technical aspects of nutrition and fitness, because I have no ability to.

I can see perfectly well why Dave [Castro] lost his temper.

So you are saying that you now “believe” and “agree” that it is excusable for Dave to physically attack someone because he did not like what they had to say? Is that your way of saying that if you could, you would reach through your monitor to attack me? Wow, the philosophy and lessons you are trying to teach us are simply staggering……

And YOU are the one who keep saying CrossFit is falling apart. Why is it falling apart, if it is? Because YOU keep saying it is.

Not sure if this was directed at Robb or I, but from my view, CF Inc’s apparent refusal to follow the law, dictates that they have embarked on a slippery slope of liability and corporate malfeasance that has little chance to end in anything other than disaster at some point, (unless these problems are solved).

You are the equivalent of the Medical Doctor where the rest of us are Physicians Assistants. MD’s know a lot more, but for run of the mill stuff their training only makes an iota of difference very rarely. P.A’s and Nurse Practitioners can do pretty much everything they can.

Nicely done, promoting yourself to the equivalent a 4 year degree that also requires a 2 year internship, (plus numerous board exams to secure your licensing). Wow….you really do think highly of yourself. Get a few certs., talk a big game, and voila……You are the equivalent of a highly trained medical expert.

I will make that my last post,

Yeah, I remember you said that before. I’m still betting it won’t be the last time we hear from you.

this whole thing is making me progressively more angry.

Angry….what happened to that mental fortitude, or focus, you know, whatever you were boasting about a few posts ago. Oh yeah, and your tenacity. I guess these qualities are as superficial as your knowledge of physiology and nutrition.

HAVE A NICE DAY =)

[Grandpa's Spells]

I suspect the ones Mario is getting complaints about are the photoshopped ones.

They've never seen the legendary Steve Freides Egg Cup Testicle photo.

[Holland Oates]

And all you fucking lurking @fit poontangs can go fuck yourself.

Do not and I mean DO NOT FUCKING POST!

We don't need anymore of you fucking losers stinking up the board.

Unless you are TitsNYC and the only reason you should post is to come across with some nudes.

And to tell the truth Couch is welcome. He is more IGX'er than @fitter anyway.

[Really Big Strong Guy]

phucking beautiful, and the lawyer is absolutely right. I don't know CA law, but he obviously does. Castro's days are numbered. Or they should be if anyone at CFHQ has a lick of sense. My only question is I'm not certain if GL coverage would applies to "Hostile work environment" suit. That may fall under some form of employer's liability coverage. Again, not my area of the law, but I doubt, CFHQ has it. Insurer's don't look for a reason to write the coverage; the Broker or agent is required to get the coverage for the entity. But given the newness of this "explosion" and how it's grown in a short time frame, it would be very difficult to keep pace, from an insurance stand point, with what has happened. It could be that, just like the affiliate who got nailed, it could come out of the coffers of CFHQ and Couch himself.

[Fat Cat]

I love how the gin thing has become a meme.

[TerryB]

It could be that, just like the affiliate who got nailed, it could come out of the coffers of CFHQ and Couch himself.

Have you already forgotten about Couch's Private Defense Fund...I mean, the RRG?

[Really Big Strong Guy]

It could be that, just like the affiliate who got nailed, it could come out of the coffers of CFHQ and Couch himself.

Have you already forgotten about Couch's Private Defense Fund...I mean, the RRG?

That won't last long. Seriously. To defend a hostile work environment case costs a lot. Let alone paying the judgment.

[CultBuster]

After over a year one state can almost set up policies ha ha ha

Hard work pays off: The CrossFit Risk Retention Group (RRG) received provisional approval from the state of Montana this week. Policy writing for Montana affiliates should begin in January, with other states to follow in the spring. RRG members will receive information as their states complete the approval process.