The couch thread

[Shafpocalypse Now]

Glassman has gone on record saying science is bullshit, yet publically, he claimed Robb Wolf was fired for inadequate scientific rigor.

[syaigh]

My issue isn't with the effectiveness of an 8 week run of something like that, under intense scrutiny, it's the implementation of this and it not being supervised...A spec ops guy who like crossfit whose job is to train other spec ops guys is like setting the fox to watch the hen house.

It doesn't matter. Strongman conditioning for 8 weeks would have made all those guys stronger and more fit. So would Zumba. The problem with that paper is that the terminology is all crossfit lexicon babble. Broad time and modal domains. Referring to the participants as athletes. Clearly written by someone on the Kool-aid, not likely to be objective. There are actual scientific ways to reference the qualities they are describing.

Broad time and modal domains doesn't mean anything. And they didn't test broad time and modal domains, they tested fitness via cf standards. Broad time and modal domains would mean "whenever, for however long, doing whatever". Try testing that for real. It isn't by doing Fran.

In the grand scheme of scientific studies that was crap. Equivalent to "hey guess what? white paint makes walls look white!" Guess what, high intensity interval training increases one's VO2 max (that's the "scientific" term for "metabolic conditioning".)

Disgusting waste of money.

[Shafpocalypse Now]

all that too. thanks for the rigorous treatment syaigh. lulz!

[kreator]

Are those guys scientists?

[Grandpa's Spells]

What's this FB Pukie account people are talking about?

[Cave Canem]

What's this FB Pukie account people are talking about?

He's a @fit sock puppet with a hard on for Shaf. Just do a FB search for Pukie. It full of lulz.

[Shafpocalypse Now]

It's become pretty obvious that Glassman and occasionally Budding are running Pukie. In one of the late threads, they claim that Crossfit is based on science, which turns out to be the WOD comments. Then they turn around and say that all of Andrew Wilson's observations are invalid because they are a thread on the internet.

Which is exactly what the WOD comments are.

Good fun.

[Shafpocalypse Now]

Fun stuff. Classic.

http://www.facebook.com/PukieTheClown?sk=wall

You clearly don't understand the context of the quote you are so exited to cite from the Journal. CrossFit is not claiming that doing CrossFit will cause you to win marathons. CrossFit is claiming that Anaerobic training will match the benefit of extended Aerobic training for Aerobic benefit as it pertains to GPP. CrossFit is a GPP program. In other words, you don't have to spend significant time training in the Oxidative pathway to be able to perform well in that pathway, and you don't get the coinciding reduction in muscle-mass, strength, power, etc. The study I cited is proof of this.

If you are talking about performing at elite levels in specific endurance sports, then it goes without saying that you need to spend more time training in the metabolic pathways your sport exists in than a GPP athlete. If you are looking for elite level runners, swimmers, or lifters who have gotten to where they are because they have done nothing but CrossFit, you won't find them. This has never been a claim of the CrossFit program and never will be. CrossFit can help these athletes improve deficiencies in their GPP however, which can significantly improve sport-specific performance.

Our elite athletes are found at the CrossFit Games. Show me any other program in the world that will produce a male athlete capable of a 350 pound C&J, 70 linked pull-ups, and a 5:30 mile time. Is that athlete going to win against any sport specific athletes in a single task? No. But those sport specific athletes wouldn't come close to performing this well across all activities. and fuck if you wouldn't give anything to have those abilities...

Decathletes are amazing athletes, but they are not generally physically prepared, they are specifically prepared for a large number of skills and capacities. Not the same thing.

Finally, I find it hilarious how hypocritically you demand "data" to support CrossFit's effectiveness, and yet you are willing to make completely unfounded accusations about the "predictable pattern of injuries" because you have trolled around on the internet and have found people who don't like kipping pull-ups. Show me some "data".

[kreator]

It definitely resembles GG's illustrious prose, that's for sure.


Russel Burger's response is awesome too:

"@chris- Because his objections are emotional and ideological. CrossFit welcomes constructive criticism. This is Irrational whining that takes a well-disciplined disregard for reality. Im not even mad, I'm impressed. "

[Zombomatic]

Decathletes are amazing athletes, but they are not generally physically prepared

Wait, what?

[Steggy]

Decathletes are amazing athletes, but they are not generally physically prepared, they are specifically prepared for a large number of skills and capacities. Not the same thing.

Give a decathlete a couple of weeks to get the hang of the @F specific movements and watch them smoke the field. Same for any top gymnast.

[Jay]

any moron who says Decathletes aren't physically prepared should be tarred and feathered... they are among the greatest athletes in the world, if not THE greatest athletes.

[Grandpa's Spells]

Our elite athletes are found at the CrossFit Games. Show me any other program in the world that will produce a male athlete capable of a 350 pound C&J, 70 linked pull-ups, and a 5:30 mile time. Is that athlete going to win against any sport specific athletes in a single task? No. But those sport specific athletes wouldn't come close to performing this well across all activities. and fuck if you wouldn't give anything to have those abilities...

I love how they have to throw in a bullshit exercise nobody else does. Trying to make the claim less laughable while achieving the opposite.

[Holland Oates]

Our elite athletes are found at the CrossFit Games. Show me any other program in the world that will produce a male athlete capable of a 350 pound C&J, 70 linked pull-ups, and a 5:30 mile time. Is that athlete going to win against any sport specific athletes in a single task? No. But those sport specific athletes wouldn't come close to performing this well across all activities. and fuck if you wouldn't give anything to have those abilities...

I love how they have to throw in a bullshit exercise nobody else does. Trying to make the claim less laughable while achieving the opposite.

LOL

What @fitter can do all three of those things?

any moron who says Decathletes aren't physically prepared should be tarred and feathered... they are among the greatest athletes in the world, if not THE greatest athletes.

I love the stupid they spew.

[kreator]

Our elite athletes are found at the CrossFit Games. Show me any other program in the world that will produce a male athlete capable of a 350 pound C&J, 70 linked pull-ups, and a 5:30 mile time. Is that athlete going to win against any sport specific athletes in a single task? No. But those sport specific athletes wouldn't come close to performing this well across all activities. and fuck if you wouldn't give anything to have those abilities...

I love how they have to throw in a bullshit exercise nobody else does. Trying to make the claim less laughable while achieving the opposite.

LOL

What @fitter can do all three of those things?

I'd like to know as well.

The 70 pullups thing isn't really that hard, assuming it's kipping. It sounds impressive though because nobody in the world except Crossfitters actually do kipping pullups so people don't really know how easy it is to put out ridiculous kipping numbers with a couple weeks/months of training. If it's 70 strict then that's just a lie. LOL.

The only person I think that approaches this would be Josh Everett. I think his best C&J is around 157kg (less than 350b) and he says he's done a 5:00 mile before but I'm pretty sure that was a high school track stat, not a recent PR.

As for their so-called World Fittest Man Rich Froning, he is certainly a talented guy but he can't C&J 350 and strongly doubt he does a 5:30 mile with a 5k PR of 21:20 from last year.

[Holland Oates]

Most of those faggots don't have the body mass to push a prowler with any kind of weight much less do all of the above.

More made up nonsense.

Where is Josh Everett?

[Turdacious]

any moron who says Decathletes aren't physically prepared should be tarred and feathered... they are among the greatest athletes in the world, if not THE greatest athletes.

Nonsense. If they were real athletes, they would compete in real athletic events. Like the softball throw.

[KingSchmaltzBagelHour]

Same for any top gymnast.

Can you say "Couch Glassman", muthafukka????

[tzg]

Pretty sure most decathletes can do a 350C+J and 5:30 mile. They'd probably avoid the "linked pullups" because tearing up your hands is not a recipe for success.

[Shafpocalypse Now]

The number of games winners who have done mainpage @F to win the games? 0.

The number of exercisers who have attempted to use mainpage @F multiple times daily for games and failed? lots.

That's as rigorous as the science in the WOD comments.

[tzg]

But... but... WE GOT THE SCIENCE?! of broad time and modal domains? And we measure our time domain modality broadly?

[Dan Martin]

One thing for sure, their bullshitting is Elite.

[Mountebank]

Last I heard, Josh Everett was working as S&C in Coronado with the Navy, also running L1s on the weekends.

As for @F "producing" the numbers thrown out in Pukie's FB rant (they are obviously fudging Everett's numbers up from here), let's see what Josh says about his training pre-@F:

IS: Have you been involved in some other sports before that?
JE: Prior to Crossfit I played American football and ran track in college. After college I competed in weightlifting.

IS: How did people around you accept the fact that you are doing crossfit?Did they take a jaundiced view of it?
JE: Crossfit wasn’t much different than the training that I was doing previously… I don’t think many of my friends or family even noticed anything different.

Welbourn has been quoted as saying a very similar thing. Same as always, @F isn't new and only "showcases" guys who are already strong well-rounded athletes from previous real sports.

[I dig big chicks]

http://trackfield.teamusa.org/athletes/bryan-clay

Some quick research on Bryan Clay, 2008 Olympic Gold in decathlon, reveals that he's run 1500 meters in 4:38.93 (easily a sub 5:00 minute mile), and he cleans around 330 (335 maybe). I doubt he deadlifts often.

Clearly he's not Crossfit worthy.

[kreator]

http://trackfield.teamusa.org/athletes/bryan-clay

Some quick research on Bryan Clay, 2008 Olympic Gold in decathlon, reveals that he's run 1500 meters in 4:38.93 (easily a sub 5:00 minute mile), and he cleans around 330 (335 maybe). I doubt he deadlifts often.

Clearly he's not Crossfit worthy.

He also squats 580.