The couch thread

[Kazuya Mishima]

Acquiring $16MM in debt will take some years off of your life.

[Shafpocalypse Now]

He's still got that odd swollen upper abdomen...liver?

[Blaidd Drwg]

He's still got that odd swollen upper abdomen...liver?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaTO8_KNcuo[/youtube]

[TerryB]

Acquiring $16MM in debt will take some years off of your life.

[kreator]

BMack sez... I am unscared to teach the Women's Olympic marathon silver medalist how to POSE


And the pic:


Of course when he's called out on it...he brings up some swimmers and rowers who have medaled. As if what they do has anything to do with marathon running.


And a little something on why it doesn't matter...
http://www.running-physio.com/priscah-jeptoos-knee/

[TerryB]

does nobody know that BMac hasn't actually finished a decent race in, forever? I'm being serious. Do the people that follow him or seek his advice know he's not actually a competitor?

[Freki]

does nobody know that BMac hasn't actually finished a decent race in, forever? I'm being serious. Do the people that follow him or seek his advice know he's not actually a competitor?

Big profile of him and CFE in the new Outside I just got, haven't read it yet.

[Holland Oates]

does nobody know that BMac hasn't actually finished a decent race in, forever? I'm being serious. Do the people that follow him or seek his advice know he's not actually a competitor?

Big profile of him and CFE in the new Outside I just got, haven't read it yet.

FUCK!

I'm going to end up canceling my fucking subscription. I don't know why I get the fucking magazine anyway. The faggots put all the articles up on the website for free before I get my issue in the mail.

[I'd Hit It]

Dane,

I've been as polite as possible during this discussion but now I'm going to call Bull****. You're turning this thread a soap-box to make negative generalizations about CrossFit HQ simply because we don't agree with you, and in the 1000+ words you've added to this thread you haven't once addressed the two points I specifically asked you to address. I'll go line by line:

We have been under the impression that the intent behind the affiliate agreement was to give individual trainers a good way to become independent business owners, not to foster the creation of puppets for the globo-gym industry.

Bull****. Our Affiliate agreement only allows one person to own one gym. You're inserting your "puppet" narrative into this as if it is fact, but you've never shown evidence for anything other than the *possibility* of a globo-gym manager doing this, or explained why we should be concerned about him offering an inferior product through and inferior business model.

We have also been under the impression that the affiliate agreement grants the right of usage of the CrossFit name, trademarks, trade names, service marks or logos to the individual who signs the agreement under the conditions detailed in the agreement. Our interpretation is that this should not include use by the gym or corporation that is hosting them.

There is zero contradiction here. If as an independent Affiliate owner I can use my gym name however I want, to include putting in on the website of the globo-gym my Affiliate lives in. I did this in 2008 when I opened my Affiliate in a Globo-gym/tumbling facility that I worked for. I've also got a friend that's currently doing the exact same thing. You've failed to provide evidence that your narrative is true, or that it is a concern, so you've also failed to justify making it harder for people like me to open a gym under these circumstances.

We think that allowing corporate globo-gyms to affiliate via puppets would be a great way to sign up a lot of affiliates, expand the market for existing and future CF-L1’s and expose CrossFit to a wider audience very quickly. All of that will be great for HQ’s bottom line for quite some time to come. We also think that it would be likely over a longer perspective to dilute the brand, promote a lower overall quality of training and community experience and occur at the expense of owner-operators, particularly those who have built the positive reputation of the brand so far.

Bull****. You've tried to slip in a "CrossFit HQ only cares about the bottom line" jab in this one, but If you actually think this you've been living under a rock for the past 3 months. Once again, you've never explained how this Affiliate is actually breaking our license agreement (other than in marketing, which we have addressed). You've also never provided evidence that "lower quality" Affiliates dilute our brand and have agreed with me that markets will punish an inferior product. You've got a contradiction in your beliefs you have never explained.

Our questions came up in the first place because of a perceived mismatch between our understanding of the affiliate agreement and HQ’s enforcement of it. We thought that insuring compliance prior to allowing an affiliate to open was HQ’s job. Clearing up our misconceptions regarding the meaning of the affiliate agreement and how it is to be supported and enforced will bring us closer to understanding each other.

Bull****. I've explained over and over again what the Affiliate agreement says, and you agree that we are enforcing it in regards to the rules that are actually being broken (marketing). What you are asking us to do disallow Affiliation for someone because of concerns over the *possibility* of breaking rules in the future, based on your *assumptions* about this person's future plans and motives. Read as: Guilty until proven innocent. The changes to the Affiliate agreement you are suggesting would have stopped me from ever opening my Affiliate. Our job is to spread and protect the CrossFit brand... both from people who are breaking the rules as you have proposed, and from people like you who want rules so vague and restrictive that it creates a barrier to entry for well-intentioned people looking to start an Affiliate.

In the video at 1:22 Coach says: "This model where the trainer is the gym owner, and our requirement that to affiliate you have to be an owner-operator is a fatal virus on business as usual." This group is smart enough to have come up with a new angle. The plan that this globo-gym has in no way resembles the owner-operator model, but HQ approved it anyway.

Bull****. We licensed one trainer to own and operate one gym. I'm assuming "The plan" that you keep referring to is the alleged public statement of this Affiliate to own more Affiliates, something we have not and will not allow him to do. The rules of our Affiliate agreement do not include restrictions on inaccurate public statements.

This is not a trainer who has been designated to get his L1 and start a CrossFit affiliate inside one gym. He is management at the big gym. Not only of that one gym, but for 120+ gyms in 4 countries. He is not likely to be doing most of the training himself, and he is not going to get tired of only keeping one-third and go off and start his own place.

There is no contradiction here. I've seen people in globo-gym management start and run legit Affiliates. You've specifically used the word "likely" to describe how you expect him to break the rules, but you're still assuming guilt without providing evidence of actual rule-breaking. This doesn't mean you're wrong, but saying we aren't enforcing our rules is Bull****.

Of course at some point down the line their L1 trainers may indeed decide that they want a place of their own, but by that time this globo-gym can have replicated this in many of their other facilities here in Sweden, diluting the brand and taking a large step towards making CrossFit in the public mind just another class offered by the largest gym chain in the country.

How will this gym "replicate" Affiliates? We have already explained that we won't allow this individual to open another under his name. If more L1 trainers decide to do the same as their manager and independently own something that operates inside of the globo-gym facility, how is that a problem? You continue to assume that this will somehow "dilute" our brand but have provided no evidence for that conclusion. Worse, this conclusion contradicts your acknowledgment that free markets punish inferior services.

I know that Coach is very smart and that everybody at HQ is doing their best, but there are two things in particular that make me nervous about the way that this is playing out: A) I have yet to see anybody from HQ ever admit that they were wrong about anything and learned a lesson from it, and B) HQ doesn't seem to see any potential benefit from listening to dissenting voices.

Bull****. Our disagreement does not equate to either of the characterizations you've made about us. You're also apparently blind to the fact that we are listening to your dissenting voice every time you respond to us on this thread.

Those of us who are concerned about this are not the problem, we are loyal and we want to make CrossFit at better and stronger organization and brand. We hope to find a way to make that happen.

You're right, you are not the problem. The changes you have suggested we make to our Affiliate agreement would be a problem. They would restrict access to our program by legitimate L1 trainers based on unwarranted concerns for the "brand dilution" boogeyman.

I'm not frustrated with you for disagreeing with us. I'm not frustrated with you for sharing your feelings and concerns about this Affiliate. I'm frustrated that you continue to dodge the legitimate questions I've asked about your view, and instead opt to take increasingly hostile jabs at us because we aren't rolling over and accepting your concerns without question. If you want this discussion to continue I'm going to need you to address the following clearly and concisely:

1. Show us what rules we have failed to enforce that this Affiliate is breaking

2. Explain why Affilaites should be concerned about a globo-gym offering an inferior product through an inferior business model given our shared understanding that free markets will only punish this behavior.

Thanks

In conclusion:
- Obviously there is no possible way any corporate-backed affiliate chain could possibly cause harm to small, owner-operated affiliates because the free market will take care of it. If a trainer is good enough they'll be able to support themselves for the months and years it takes for people to switch from the cheap corporate affiliates, amirite?
- These corporate-backed affiliates would all be under separate names so OBVIOUSLY they are operating independently and their umbrella corporation will have no influence on how its affiliates are run or priced whatsoever
- People who object to HQ on this issue are inferior trainers who are afraid of competition and hostile to Dear Leader

Yeah, the fact that Berger is responding at ALL is totally proof that HQ cares (despite the fact when the concern was submitted through official routes it was ignored up until the point it was posted publicly on the message board).

[Turdacious]

does nobody know that BMac hasn't actually finished a decent race in, forever? I'm being serious. Do the people that follow him or seek his advice know he's not actually a competitor?

Maybe he had a mysterious, unproven, ring injury. It could happen.

[TerryB]

So, my cousin that has been crossfitting for one year with her douchebag supreme boyfriend/fiancee went and broke her foot flipping a tire. It's broke so bad, she cannot bear weight on it at all for several weeks. Thus, she cannot work and is running out of leave and may soon lose her job.

One might suggest that more instruction was needed, that the implement was unsuited to her fitness goals and unnecessarily dangerous given her background, athletic ability (or lack therof), etc. But fuck that! Flipping tires is h4rdc0r3!!!

Good thing her operational readiness is not something upon which our freedom depends.

[tzg]

So, my cousin that has been crossfitting for one year with her douchebag supreme boyfriend/fiancee went and broke her foot flipping a tire. It's broke so bad, she cannot bear weight on it at all for several weeks. Thus, she cannot work and is running out of leave and may soon lose her job.

One might suggest that more instruction was needed, that the implement was unsuited to her fitness goals and unnecessarily dangerous given her background, athletic ability (or lack therof), etc. But fuck that! Flipping tires is h4rdc0r3!!!

Good thing her operational readiness is not something upon which our freedom depends.

One of the important "etc" that you left out is "given the cost of injury". That's something a lot of people forget to consider and one of the reasons I think a lot of coaches really really suck (not just in CF, but CF is very bad at this because they don't have a lot of experience). For an athlete, the cost of injury is several months of missed training which is not good for the business of being an athlete. For a computer programmer, it's annoying and has a bill attached, but, whatever. For somebody who could lose their job, the cost is obvious. So the middle group is the only one that can afford to do CF in more ways than one. It doesn't matter if they grind their bodies to dust because they don't do anything with their bodies. They need the pain to feel alive and they don't know any better.

[Protobuilder]

does nobody know that BMac hasn't actually finished a decent race in, forever? I'm being serious. Do the people that follow him or seek his advice know he's not actually a competitor?

Big profile of him and CFE in the new Outside I just got, haven't read it yet.

I have seen a pair of Outdoor articles recently on him. To give him credit, it doesn't define him as a triathlete or ultrarunner in it and doesn't pretend to have any case studies that his ideas work. The initial article was pretty much "why run to prepare for a running event?".

The second article had a guy who was already a decent runner undertake the 12-week program. He reported that he ran out of steam in the latter portions of the 42k though would do the program in the future as long as he included....yep, more long runs in his training.

[Cave Canem]

http://youtu.be/6ME59CIcVBk





Merry Xmas from @fit....there is no bottom.

[robby mor]

http://youtu.be/6ME59CIcVBk





Merry Xmas from @fit....there is no bottom.

[Jay]

Remind me not to post comments on YouTube after working all night bouncing in a bar with a rowdy bunch of kids (150 of them) and a Xmas party filled with drunken idiots...

Comment on the video: men having sex with each other is less gay than this shit... what the fuck dude... I admire the Xmas Spirit, we all love the holidays, but seeing this makes me want to burn a yule log and throw it into a building filled with orphans

[Alfred_E._Neuman]

Gayer than a semen drenched mustache, that video is.

[Dan Martin]

does nobody know that BMac hasn't actually finished a decent race in, forever? I'm being serious. Do the people that follow him or seek his advice know he's not actually a competitor?

Maybe he had a mysterious, unproven, ring injury. It could happen.

Is that code?

[Protobuilder]

Comment on the video: men having sex with each other is less gay than this shit... what the fuck dude... I admire the Xmas Spirit, we all love the holidays, but seeing this makes me want to burn a yule log and throw it into a building filled with orphans

I will do my best to be sure your post is voted to the top - everybody else should as well.

[JamesonBushmill]

http://youtu.be/6ME59CIcVBk





Merry Xmas from @fit....there is no bottom.

:52

i am really shocked people are still doing these fucked up flapping pullups

[Bobby]

Understand Proto`s no linkie clicking now.Do not want to see skinny mancunts on christmas day (or any other day).
Let them play with kipping,will keep the chiropractors bankaccounts full won`t it?

[Shafpocalypse Now]

Found BMacNCheez's book for download. Am lulzing my way through the introduction, where he cannot decide on whom to fellate more vigorously, Couch or the POSE dude.

[Alfred_E._Neuman]

Found BMacNCheez's book for download. Am lulzing my way through the introduction, where he cannot decide on whom to fellate more vigorously, Couch or the POSE dude.

Linky?

[___________]

<null>

Bmacheese can suck my fucking nuts.

[Turdacious]

Power, Speed, ENDURANCE is a highly effective training system that has catapulted thousands of endurance athletes to the next level. Developed by CrossFit Endurance founder Brian MacKenzie and featuring instruction from some of the world's top endurance and CrossFit coaches, Power, Speed, ENDURANCE unveils techniques, drills, and training strategies that will optimize your performance and overall work capacity while decreasing your susceptibility to injury.

16 of 43 people found the following review helpful
1.0 out of 5 stars Really?, November 14, 2012
By
John W. Avery III (Atlanta, Georgia United States) - See all my reviews
Amazon Verified Purchase(What's this?)
This review is from: Power Speed ENDURANCE: A Skill-Based Approach to Endurance Training (Paperback)
I pre-odered this book in October and greatly anticipated its release. After some publishing SNAFUs it was released November 12th. Amazon will not have it in stock until November 17th, however, at least 13 reviews have appeared (all 5 stars) with several from supposed "Verified Amazon Purchases," reviews from customers who have been verified to have purchased the book through Amazon. I find this quite spurious considering these reviews were posted the very day the book was released and 5 days prior to Amazon's stated possession. Amazon, you need to do a better job of providing objective reviews. When the book finally gets here I will update my post with a proper review.

http://www.amazon.com/Power-Speed-ENDUR ... ewpoints=0

Heh.

People here should provide Wolf Shirt quality reviews.