The couch thread

Mickey O'neil · Post by **Mickey O'neil** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 2:32 am

I'm sorry. Wake is the second smallest school competing in I-A.

szczepan · Post by **szczepan** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 12:34 pm

I think injury rate would be a better representation of how good a S&C is than W/L records. Think about guys like Dave Campo, Rich Kotite, etc. There isn't strength coach alive that could make some head coaches look good.

GoDogGo! · Post by **GoDogGo!** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 2:48 pm

Regardless of the size of the school, I guess that there are other metrics that would show you how the S&C is doing. Injury rate is one, and Reeve says that ACLs and RC tears are way, way down with the full squats and the KBs.

Doesn't stuff like yards of rushing or sacks or whatever give some kind of indication as well? LIke I said, I'se ignant of football, so I'm not the guy to look at that. I know the ball is pointy on both ends; that's about it.

GDG!

mrzero · Post by **mrzero** » Sat Mar 25, 2006 6:29 pm

*bumpity bump bump*

Andy77 · Post by **Andy77** » Sat Mar 25, 2006 7:52 pm

Mickey wrote:It has a lot to do with the size of the school (Wake being the smallest in the country), academic standards, etc. With not being able to get the top recruits and best athletes I think Ethan has done an outstanding job. I would definitely say he is one of the best S&C coaches in the country.

True knowledge. Wide open mind for training ideas and smart about posting his methods and results for all to see.

stosh · Post by **stosh** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 12:12 pm

Bump.

In today's posted LATimes article, a nugget or two of shit:

Says Glassman. " 'Segmented' trainers can't keep up with us on our workouts. CrossFitters may not be as strong as a pure lifter, or as fast as a pure runner, but we're better than them in everything else. And we can do more real-life stuff."

They are 'better' than us in everything else. Heh.

And I don't get this one:

"Glassman's theory of blended, all-out workouts gained some academic validity from a 1996 study published in Medicine & Science in Sports & Exercise by Izumi Tabata of Japan's National Institute of Fitness and Sports. It showed that 20-second, all-out bursts of intermittent high-intensity training with little rest in between, similar in style to CrossFit, caused "significant" rises in both aerobic and anaerobic (strength) capacity."

Linking the Tabata study to CF? Give me a fucking break.[/i]

mrzero · Post by **mrzero** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 12:48 pm

wooo 25k!

bill fox · Post by **bill fox** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 12:56 pm

elrodjr wrote:Bump.

In today's posted LATimes article, a nugget or two of shit:

Says Glassman. " 'Segmented' trainers can't keep up with us on our workouts. CrossFitters may not be as strong as a pure lifter, or as fast as a pure runner, but we're better than them in everything else. And we can do more real-life stuff."
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This appears to be true, but the answer seems to be, of course. Cotter pooped on the WOD that day because he wasn't training for it. If Cotter did CF for 3 months he'd kill.

The rub is how much being really good at one thing are you willing to give up. For the "non athlete" it's not an issue. If the WOD is your sport it works like a charm and you will be passable at a wide variety of stuff. I think what's downplayed is how much you lose, which Robb Wolf touched on in the Performance Menu commenting on how much strength he lost. A really good 10k runner who puts on 10lbs of muscle doing CF is going to be slower. The trick is, a fair 10k runner who does the same thing will be faster, which for the average person appear to be magic.

The problem is not the basic philosohphy of combining big basic movements and putting the clock on them. The problem (personalties aside) is putting the rabbit in the hat. This is what fitness is, we're the best at it, ipso facto CF is the best fitness program.

The last sentence is probably true. If your killing the WODs there's going to be very few things outside of acutual comps you're not up for. Not true of the PLer, the runner etc....

There's some great people doing cool things with the "template". Check out the GymJones site. Of course when Twight got plublicity Glassman reamed him on line for not mentioning CF in the clip. And threr lies the rub.

The offending clip - click on "spartan training"

http://movies.yahoo.com/feature/300.html

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szczepan · Post by **szczepan** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 1:11 pm

"But here's the fascinating part. We can take you from a 200 pound max deadlift to a 500-750 pound max deadlift in two years while only pulling max singles four or five times a year. We will though work the deadlift, like most lifts, approximately once per week at higher reps and under grueling conditions. It may intuit well that if you can pull a 250 pound deadlift 21 times coming to the lift at a heart rate of 180 beats per minute, then 500 pounds for a single at a resting heart rate is perhaps manageable."

- Greg Glassman, in issue 5 of GIREVIK magazine

http://www.powerathletesmag.com/archive ... assman.htm

stosh · Post by **stosh** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 1:30 pm

bill fox wrote:The last sentence is probably true. If your killing the WODs there's going to be very few things outside of acutual comps you're not up for. Not true of the PLer, the runner etc....

This is one of the parts I don't buy, Bill. The CF thought is that doing big movements against the clock is better than doing the big movements and then, seperately, doing something against the clock. Intuitively, with a little awareness of what I do daily, I very rarely call on high levels of strength while winded, but often call on strength and endurance seperately. Sunday, as a single example, I rearranged furniture, rotated tires (hand tools), and played softball with the kids. Never felt like puking, but genuinely reaped benefits of having done strength and endurance training. I see no evidence that thrusters for time are better than the PLs and smart GPP for real world needs.

bill fox · Post by **bill fox** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 3:36 pm

elrodjr wrote:
bill fox wrote:The last sentence is probably true. If your killing the WODs there's going to be very few things outside of acutual comps you're not up for. Not true of the PLer, the runner etc....
This is one of the parts I don't buy, Bill. The CF thought is that doing big movements against the clock is better than doing the big movements and then, seperately, doing something against the clock. Intuitively, with a little awareness of what I do daily, I very rarely call on high levels of strength while winded, but often call on strength and endurance seperately. Sunday, as a single example, I rearranged furniture, rotated tires (hand tools), and played softball with the kids. Never felt like puking, but genuinely reaped benefits of having done strength and endurance training. I see no evidence that thrusters for time are better than the PLs and smart GPP for real world needs.

Surely, it can be done that way. I do tend to think most people do a bad job of it, don't do it because they don't have time or don
t do it at all. He's referring, in the sentence before, to lifters or runners. Of course he believes that CF is in fact better then ANY way of doing it, which is where the trouble starts.

Batboy2/75 · Post by **Batboy2/75** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 4:07 pm

The problem with crossfit is the smug attitudes, cult like tendancies, pukie, and wild claims.

I also dislike the fact that these wing nuts will pick out a person that specializes in a specific athletic endevour and begin to tear them down and say complete BS. Take Steve Cotter for example. Steve's main emphasis at the time (and still is) when he visited Crossfit was GS, a very specialized atheletic endevour. If Steve had switched to CF training he would have blown away any of the CF wing nuts with in 3 months like Bill stated. Unfortunately he would have embarased himself when he competed in GS in Russia.

If you want to get good at any athletic endevour you have to specialize. especially if the skill component is very high. You simply have so much energy and time to train. Wasting your time and recovering from pukie & the WOD does nothing to prepare you for your chosen sport other than another than the WOD.

Specialization works and is necessary. Would it make economic sense to train everyone in the USA to be a generalist when it came to their professions? No, because the end result would be extremely subpar performance in important professions in hurt the economy. Specialization is more efficient in the long run in economics and in atheletics. I'd rather have a law school graduate , like Bill, defending me at a Murder trial than some dude with a liberal arts degree that's good at woodshop and gardening. Just like I'd rather have a running back that specializes in avoiding tackles, holding onto the ball if he does get hit, running for yardage, and scoring touchdowns playing for my football team than some CF wing nut doing the WOD.

CF doesn't compete outside the WOD & has yet to produce a successful athlete on it's own. Therefore they have decided to define what is successful or athleticaly desirable and have redefined success as being able to complete the WOD.

BB2/75

The Venerable Bogatir X · Tue Apr 11, 2006 4:17 pm

Please use correct terminology: "X@".

Geeze Louise Puh-leeze!

szczepan · Post by **szczepan** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 1:31 pm

I just read the LA Times article. I wonder if the first x@ woman to suffer a miscarriage from doing the WOD while pregnant will be honored with a Pukie or Uncle Rhabdo style T-shirt?

DBID · Post by **DBID** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 2:14 pm

szczepan wrote:I just read the LA Times article. I wonder if the first x@ woman to suffer a miscarriage from doing the WOD while pregnant will be honored with a Pukie or Uncle Rhabdo style T-shirt?

Cousin Fetus?

GoDogGo! · Post by **GoDogGo!** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 2:49 pm

I like the name "Miss Carrie" better.

GDG!

stosh · Post by **stosh** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 2:53 pm

GoDogGo! wrote:I like the name "Miss Carrie" better.

GDG!

Nicely done.

=D>

stosh · Post by **stosh** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 2:55 pm

I change my mind again. Xfit rox!

Edit: Never mind. Can't get the steamy pic to post.

Grandpa's Spells · Post by **Grandpa's Spells** » Fri Apr 21, 2006 6:03 pm

Beemp

Fat Cat · Post by **Fat Cat** » Fri Apr 21, 2006 6:41 pm

Beeteer leetle jeeke.

___________ · Post by **___________** » Sat Apr 22, 2006 7:51 pm

*****

sanchezero · Post by **sanchezero** » Sat Apr 22, 2006 8:37 pm

I hear that BJ Penn and the Iceman both do xfit.

greenghost · Post by **greenghost** » Sat Apr 22, 2006 11:48 pm

Speaking of kikes.... makes me wonder if, rkc stands for Real Kike Cocksuckers!

___________ · Post by **___________** » Sun Apr 23, 2006 4:21 am

sanchezero wrote:I hear that BJ Penn and the Iceman both do xfit.

Bullshit.
Both train the specific sport, with supplemental cardio, mostly running, a little lifting, and a lot on the heavy bag.

Batboy2/75 · Post by **Batboy2/75** » Sun Apr 23, 2006 4:31 am

Marc wrote:
sanchezero wrote:I hear that BJ Penn and the Iceman both do xfit.
Bullshit.
Both train the specific sport, with supplemental cardio, mostly running, a little lifting, and a lot on the heavy bag.

Don't you dumb niggas know anything? Chuck doesn't have to work out since he started taking XYIENCE .

BB2/75